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tankh21's picture

If the CO states 50/50 custody can the CP just make the decision of getting braces for a kid without discussing it with the NCP first? Also is the NCP allowed to get a second opinion before the CP takes the kid to get braces? The CO states that each party has to confer with the other party before making decisions but DH will have to file contempt charges before anything can be done about it. So I guess BM can pretty much do whatever she wants and DH will just have to pay no matter what. Are braces considered cosmetic?

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nengooseus's picture

We ran into the same issue and were forced to pay.  Your DH can file for contempt, but she's unlikely to be convicted since she has a dentist's recommendation.

Unfortunately, this happens alot.

justmakingthebest's picture

Yep, same boat here. No say, no second opinion, no nothing but hand over the check.

tankh21's picture

So there is probably no way around this so we would be wasting our time taking the kid to a dentist of our choice? How much did the braces end up costing if you don't mind me asking?

nengooseus's picture

I believe DD's were around $5500, but we have insurance that covered 1/2 and then my X and I split the cost.

Who carries dental insurance on the skids?  Is there ortho care?  If so, make sure that the provider is in the highest tier of coverage to get the max benefit.

You should DEMAND that BM get multiple ortho exams before putting braces on skid.  The consults are usually free, and they develop a plan and quote the cost.  We did 3.  f there's insurance, they figure that in, if not, there are usually financing options available.  Your DH really should be attending these appointments himself, so that BM doesn't get a chance to manipulate the money or the answers.

Our BM has been pushing for ortho care for both skids since SD was 8 and had a pallate expander placed in SD without DH's consent.  Then he had to pay 65% or something of the cost--and when he balked because she didn't talk to him ahead, she filed CRIMNAL contempt against him.  Yep, she's a peach.

DaizyDuke's picture

So does the kid need braces or not?  I mean you should be able to tell by looking at them if there is a "need"

The proper thing to do would be to inform the other parent prior to making such a decision, but your BM is far from proper.  Your DH can file contempt, but what will that do?  The kid will still need braces and DH will still have to pay.  She's got him by the balls.

tankh21's picture

No the kid doesn't need braces but I am not a dentist. The kid doesn't even brush his teeth in the 2 1/2 years I have known him I have seen him brush his teeth maybe twice. Tell me about it I know she has him by the balls. Either way he is screwed. It will end up costing more money if he files contempt charges so is probably better to just pay for the kid's braces and move on.

nengooseus's picture

As the CP, she can do pretty much anything she wants.  And he can file for contempt, but unless she's doing something *complete* egregious, she won't be convicted.

Does your DH care about this stuff as much as you, or are you the only one who's going crazy with BM's BS?

FieryEscape's picture

His mouth will be a diaster if he gets braces and doesn't brush and floss. yuck!!!!!

--figureditout--'s picture

If his dental hygiene is not good, y'all may be paying for nothing. OBS got lazy with his waterpik and would brush and floss instead. Our ortho removed the wires until he proved himself. Took a month, but it pi$$ed us off.  He is now a waterpik junkie.

SD had $8k worth of work done on our time. Refused to wear her retainer. Then her wisdom teeth came in. She had aged out of our coverage but still tried to Bill us. Her teeth went right back to the way they were before.

nengooseus's picture

If a licensed doctor says that treatment is necessary, which nearly any dentist/orthodontist will for braces, a judge will not side with a parent saying that treatment isn't required.

Also, you can't necessarily see when a kid needs braces.

tankh21's picture

So regardless if DH takes him to a dentist of his choice probably the best thing to do is just ask for the copy of the bill and pay it?

nengooseus's picture

When it comes to braces, all you can really do is try to manage the cost.  Demand multiple estimates/plans for braces.  Choose the right one, which may or may not be the cheapest.

Don't bank on the notion that she needs to consult with your DH about it.  When it comes to braces, you will lose.

twoviewpoints's picture

IMO, the father should be as involved in running around doing and discussing the consults and any financial options as the BM is. He is the one who wants the comparison shopping, so to say. BM already foots the cost of the insurance and will be paying 50% of whatever the above insurance cost will be. She will be required to take numerous time out of work to run around for all the consults in addition to all the eventual appointments (Dad only has the kids EOWE and over the dinner hour one evening a week, so most time involvement will fall on her time). 

If Dad is going to request three of this and blah blah blah, the least he can do is to also participate in the process. The whole ordeal is no more cheaper for BM when the final billings come in , she's gaining nothing from putting in the entire effort on this and in-fact likely will cost her more in work time and running cost than it will Dad. While I understand wanting the best treatment plan individualized per the child (suiting kid's needs) and also being cost conscious to an office that may be equally good but a few hundred less expensive , I feel to find that the father is obligated to also do the searching, consulting and choosing of final decision. 

As this particular BM doesn't communicate well, I'd think Dad would want to be present at all three consults (if three is the number desired), for one the office will also at that time explain his financial options. It will also be the time for the office to explain expectations to Dad of the hows and care of the devices so when he has the child on Dad's time he knows. OP said this kid doesn't even bother brushing his teeth on Dad's time. From what OP has said about these kids across her blogs, they are not the most responsible mature little darlings.

DaizyDuke's picture

What I meant was, does the kid have crooked/spaced out teeth or not?  And honestly I can't see ANY dentist telling a parent who is willing to fork out the money for braces "no" if these is really no need. But also what kind of parent would WANT their kid to get braces, if there wasn't a need???

nengooseus's picture

There's *always* a reason for braces.  Heck, my dentist tried to get me to get them, and I have great teeth, no over/underbite, and no jaw pain.

And braces are a status symbol for kid and HCBM.  I don't get it either, but it's a thing.

DaizyDuke's picture

A status symbol?  Really?  What the heck!  Both skids had braces, but I truly think they needed them, as both of their teeth were pretty crooked.  Of course their's were absolutely FREEEEEE because both BMs were on government freebie insurance.  So it was good for DH I guess, but if BS8 needs braces, which I'm almost certain he will as he currently has an adult tooth that is coming in BEHIND the baby tooth that has not fallen out yet, my insurance that I pay dearly for every month, will only cover a portion.  So annoying

nengooseus's picture

And different braces are "better" than others, too.  My skids will need braces (I blame BM because she's the devil, and everyone knows the devil has gnarly teeth!).  SD is 13 and all her friends have them now, but she can't get them because she doesn't have her adult teeth yet.  So now BM wants to get her Invisalign when it's time because it will be "embasrassing for her to have braces when all her friends are already done with them!"

DH's response was that regular braces will be fine.  If she wants Invisalign, she can pay for them herself.

StepMamaBear6's picture

If a child has crooked teeth, even if braces is only cosmetic, the child should have braces.  It is huge for self-esteem.  Why would you want to deny your skid braces?  $5,500 is pretty reasonable for where I live.  Split in half, that is $2,600.  Does either party carry orthodontia insurance?  I have insurance for 60% of the cost up to $3,000.  So when my stepson wanted braces, at $6,400, we only had to pay $3,400 over the course of 2 years.  It was like $80/month.

bananaseedo's picture

Unless they are underage and might require a 2nd round?  Pay for it.  Friggin cheap as* es that refuse to pay like my exh- I didn't worry about it paid for myself, hold insurance myself.....received $500 in CS for 8-9 years then $600 a month. Two growing boys- not ONE review for increase and he's not paid a DIME towards their dental or medical health he's supposed to.  I'm sorry NCP that want to skate on this issue piss*s me off.  Why SHOULD it be all on the CP to pay for braces? 

tankh21's picture

Ok My DH is dealing with a psycho that does things out of spite and manipulates please read my blogs about what does BM does to my DH. It is the fact that BM just does whatever she wants and doesn't discuss anything with my DH but then expects him just to foot half of the bill. It's a freaking CO and he has a right to know what is going on with this own kids and if he is paying for something they should both agree on what is the best options. My DH isn't trying to deprive his kid of something he just wants to get a second opinion and find out what is best of SS. BM is a useless POS!!!

strugglingSM's picture

Your DH should go directly to the dentist himself and have them calculate the cost.

BM told DH he’d owe twice as much as he actually did. She also told him that insurance wouldn’t cover any of it, which he knew wasn’t true because it was his insurance and he knew they covered $2500 for braces. I’m sure she was hoping for a big payday. She never thought DH would get his butt over to the dentist, find out how much his insurance would cover, and have his proportion calculated out. He then trotted down himself and paid, so he didn’t even have to talk to BM at all. 

lieutenant_dad's picture

If BM won't take SS for additional consults, then your DH can. He can go get three quotes so he gets an idea of how much it will cost. Then, he can either make the choice to present those options to BM or decide that the price difference isn't much ans agree to pay.

Once he has the consults and figures/plan on paper, if BM just runs out to get braces without looking at those figures AND they are significantly more expensive than what your DH found, your DH can present his findings to a judge and hopefully only ne ordered to pay for half of what it would have cost elsewhere. However, I would only pursue this route IF BM says braces are needed when they aren't or BM says you owe $5,000 for some Cadillac package when your SS only needs the basics where your DH should only pay $2,500.

My honest guess is that SS probably needs braces, and BM's quote is going to be comparable within $500 of what your DH would find elsewhere. You may be working yourself into a tizzy for nothing.

still learning's picture

DH should ask to talk w/the dentist. There are options and DH can choose what he would be willing to pay for .  ds19 had to have braces when he was 15 because one of his adult teeth was sitting horizontal. We could have had all the extra fun stuff but declined and got just basic braces.  If the kid is lax about dental care I would strongly suggest a wire retainer instead of the one you're supposed to wear every night.  DS kept losing part or all of his retainer and it was $125 a pop to replace it.  Teeth keep shifting, expecially after braces are taken off.  

It's a one time cost, just bite the bullet and have it done. It's probably cheaper than going to court and fighting about it.  

dysfunctionally_blended's picture

It may turn out to be a mute point if his hygiene is that bad. An ortho won't put braces on a kid if they show they don't take care of their teeth. (A good one anyway). 

Reason being - the tarter under the braces will cause staining that is permanent. Even whitening won't work. 

On the other hand - we dealt with this from HCBM - SO went directly to the ortho and paid his portion only to them. What happened? There were times he took skid and a balance was due from HCBM! Nope he told them they could refuse treatment but he wasn't paying it. So be prepared. 

Now it is in their CO for future that SO is only responsible for a percentage of braces. Funny thing - NOW HCBM suddenly doesn't feel younger skid NEEDS braces any longer after having to pay for older skids balance! 

SMto2's picture

We had a very similar experience, except there was no orthodontic insurance in our case. We had heard from youngest SS for a couple years that he was getting braces but BM hadn't mentioned it. Then out of the blue, BM informed DH that OLDEST SS needed braces and she needed A COUPLE THOUSAND DOLLARS by the end of the week for DH's half and that she'd set up a payment plan for the next 2 years for the rest. DH's CO said NOTHING about orthontics, but he didn't want to look like an ass and refuse to pay half. I was LIVID because of the lack of notice or input. Yes, we would have liked to have gotten a second opinion and other estimates. I had just recently gotten braces myself after 4 oral surgeries and more expected if bite didn't get straightened, and I had the typically more expensive clear upper braces because I'm an attorney and do a lot of speaking, yet SS's braces cost a couple thousand dollars more than mine. (I paid for mine with money from my dad's estate after he passed away, btw.)  (And I did not think oldest SS needed them. His teeth looked about like my DS16 now, who has not had them recommended and isn't lucky enough to have someone to force us to get them.) 

THEN, one year later, BM did the same thing and said YOUNGEST SS now needed them and another couple THOUSAND dollars was due within days, with another 2-year payment obligation. So for a year, we were making payments on TWO boys in braces, plus paying BM $1200/mo CS, plus all SSs' health insurance plus 60% what health insurance does not cover. Had we had ANY say, we at least would have tried to space them out so we weren't paying for both at once unless the orthodontist said it was absolutely necessary, and clearly, it wasn't. Obviously, BM had no problem paying her monthly payment on them, since we paid her more than enough to cover that and a whole lot more!   It makes my blood boil thinking back on it. Oh, and the kicker is that neither SS would wear their retainer and both their teeth now look like they did before braces.

All I can say is, now that CS has been over for several years and DH and I get to keep all of our money except what we choose to give to SSs, it makes me SO happy to think that BM can NEVER control us or our money again! I'm sure her credit cards are maxed out as they were when she was married to DH, while ours have a $0 balance! My 30's and early 40's were ruined by that toxic, money-grubbing b*tch. I may be in my late 40's and my youth gone, but being rid of her and finally enjoying life with DH, about to celebrate 20 years of marriage and happier and more financially secure than ever, makes all the drama and misery almost worth it. So just hang in there, as this, too, shall pass.

Doorsy's picture

I dont think your dh needs a say in braces. The man is so neglectful he doesnt care if his kids teeth rot out of their heads. What kind of parent doesnt make their kid brush their teeth? Thats just insane and gross. How can you find that man attractive is beyond me. It sounds like bm is the responsible parent here to be honest. Your dh is a weekend disney dad who lies to his wife to make his life easier and doesnt care about his kids health.

tankh21's picture

BM is the responsible parent that is really funny to me!! BM babies these kids which is why they are lazy. Both parents are to blame Doorsy. You cannot put all of the blame on my DH. When BM and DH were together they just couldn't co-parent then so what makes you think they can co-parent now. BM is the MOTY!! LMAO!!! BM purely manipulates my DH and couldn't even tell him that she made a dental appointment for those kids. The kid is 13 years old what is my DH supposed to do wouldn't it be considered abuse to shove a toothbrush now SS's throat because I guarantee you that is what it would take for SS to brush his teeth.