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Sweet T's picture

It concerns me that there are so many of us that have SO's that are mentally, verbally and or physically abusive on this site. I always think that 90% of this isn't a stepkid or BM thing but the fact that we married sick individuals.

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Gabriels Mom's picture

I wonder why that is?

I deal with PTSD with my DH but he was a combat medic who wouldn't have nightmares? I cringe every time I hear the helicopter coming to hospital (we live next to a hospital) I can't imagine all these DH's were in a war zone....

askYOURdad's picture

The problem with abusers is they don't wear a sign on their forehead that says "I'm an abuser"

They look good on paper, say the right things, do the right things, get their hooks in you and leaving becomes a struggle.

My DH is wonderful. My ex, he was abusive. I am a much different and stronger woman now, and looking back I think "what did I ever see in that loser" but if I'm honest with myself, he wasn't a "loser" in the beginning. He was charming and funny, took me on dates, bought me nice things, said the right things... even his friends said the right things. Little by little, day by day, he chipped away at pieces of me. Not only was he able to strip my confidence, but he was able to actually turn it into insecurities. He slowly made me feel worthless, and like I really didn't have anywhere to go because who would want me etc.

All of you women who are in bad relationships, I hope that you can find the strength to change your situations. I moved out of my ex's house with two kids in tow, about $800 cash and about $5000 worth of debt. I remember sitting on the kitchen floor with my bios that night playing with play-doh and thinking how much better our lives were. I was slowly able to put the pieces of my life back together. I was able to rebuild myself, rebuild my confidence and build my bios a life.

It has been 6 years since leaving my ex. I have zero debt, a large amount of savings, a nice house in the suburbs, my kids are in private school... the only thing missing is the golden retriever. Step life has it's own struggles and life is not perfect, but I made it here and you all can too.

Sweet T's picture

But how do they know. I am sure I give off signals. I have therapy on Thursday and I will ask.

askYOURdad's picture

They pick up on small insecurities, reactions, small triggers that likely seem like nothing.

For example, say someone bumps right into you at no fault of yours and you turn and say "sorry," it's something that they might notice and assume you are a "people pleaser" they may be correct they may not but in combination with other similar examples that could be nothing in isolation, putting it all together they will know you are a good target.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

This. A very, very good book for you and anyone else who have or are in an abusive (which IS, even though you don't feel like is is, a dangerous) situation is Facing Violence by Rory Miller. It goes in depth to how a predator (can be anything from a sociopath to an abuser to a rapist to a pedophile) picks and chooses and their methods of doing their MO to a victim. It also goes into the legalities of defending yourself.

DH and I teach self defense so it was a very useful book to recommend to our students.

I can pick out an "abusee" easily as well: How is your gait when you walk--long, confident strides or short, shuffling steps, do you hold your chin up or down when someone is talking to you, are you afraid of physical proximity with a person you don't know very well, are your shoulders out or slouched when you walk/sit, do you look more interested in what someone else says than they are in you when in a conversation, how strong is your handshake, do you maintain eye contact in conversations/with strangers on the street who are staring at you, do you look aware of your surrounding when you walk down the street or do you look down and like you're in a hurry to get somewhere, do you put yourself down in normal conversations, do you look around nervously/at the clock when you're in an uncomfortable situation, do you believe "facts" someone says very easily, when someone teases you or is passive aggressive--do you shrink back/sulk/apologize, etc.

A lot of that can be found in only ten minutes of conversation with you. I can step a little closer than normal people would when talking to you, and just by how you respond can tell me a lot about you. If you're comfortable and unbothered, or if you confidently claim your personal space back (which has a lot to do with how open the front of your body is) then chances of you being a victim is less. If you TRY to look unbothered but are a bit flighty/twitchy, then I know you are at the very least a people pleaser and are afraid to hurt my feelings but I am definitely making you uncomfortable. If you are visually bothered and cower away, then I definitely know you have something in your history that tells me you are or have been a victim.

Then I follow it up with a direct question: Sorry, am I making you uncomfortable?--how you answer this question is important too. Some will laugh it off, some will unconvincingly say no, some will profusely apologize for being uncomfortable, and some will frankly tell me I have violated their personal space.

Anyway, what you project in your stance and visual cues will give people an idea of what they can use/do to manipulate you. I always say, make sure you are aware of the cues you give, and every cue you give should have YOUR OWN motive behind it so you are never caught unawares.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

I also wanted to add this because it might help someone:

Remember, you yourself are the only one who can define how much disrespect you are willing to take. If you take too long to define it with another person because you love or care about them (for example, giving them a couple of chances when they treat you badly before you either speak up or do something about it) then they will have created a habitual cycle of every x amount of times I do this horrible behavior over a period of y amount of time is what is acceptable in my victim's book. Then they'll play with the x and y variables of instances and time in order to decrease the number of times you retaliate/defend yourself and find the optimal situation for themselves.

Also, people, men and women abusers, will escalate and see where their boundary with you lies. Okay, you don't defend yourself if I'm passive aggressive, how about if I make snide comments about you instead, oh, that doesn't do anything, okay how about I outright insult/curse at you, okay you still take it, how about I get in your personal space, you still don't do anything against me, how about a small push, a big push, against the wall, hair pulling, throwing, things, punching, etc. At the point you snap, they apologize and have now categorized away where your limit is. The problem is, often it's only when someone is hit that they might stand up for themselves--if you take them back, then they know they can do everything up until hitting to keep you in their grasp.

Some don't even defend themselves when hit.

It's also super important to set your boundaries with yourself first, before anyone else. Tell yourself, if he makes mean jokes about who I am or what I look like, that is the first red flag. If he escalates 2 steps beyond that (for example, cursing at me or getting into my personal space), that is my dealbreaker. You need to have a strong idea of what you are and are not willing to take, but always remember that a person, at your boundary, only gets ONE CHANCE.

It's important to note that for one human being to hurt another, they have to either not have developed the section of our brain that prevents us from doing so or have normalized it so that mechanism no longer works. After you cross that line, few, if any people, go back.

A good way to understand this is to imagine if you, yourself, can pull the trigger while having a gun point blank on someone. Whatever you feel that stops you from doing so, even if that person has made you very angry, is the mechanism in your brain, and in normal people's brains to prevent violence to other members of our species. Abusers lack it, or have a very loose one.

herewegoagain's picture

I hate to say it, but I believe so as well. Now that all the other issues are really out of the way, it has been easier to see where all the real issues were all along. The other things were just a way to make excuses. I actually after all of this mess told DH something similar. I calmly told him "you know what? What really pisses me off is that all of these years I thought your ex was a witch and what I now realize is that if you treat ME this way and yes, you have changed DRASTICALLY for the better since I met you, I can only imagine what an ahole you must have been to your ex." He said nothing.

misSTEP's picture

Although my DH is a "reformed" verbal abuser, he still has a bit of a controlling streak. Before, I would do whatever he wanted as I felt that was the only way to not set him off. But now, I just chuckle and go about my day. If he gets on me when I am in a particularly bad mood, I will just tell him to take care of his own life and I will live mine.

I very much agree that they try to control the SM because the rest of their lives is so out of their control.

My skids are aged out so I think it is easier for him to relinquish some of that need for control since we don't have a psycho bitch all up in our business constantly.