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MomOfTwo1313's picture

So, my husband and I have been fully responsible for his kids since we got full custody in January due to BM Meth addiction. Since then she ran away with her boyfriend, almost died. The kids don’t hear from her and is constantly brining tension to our home due to the inability of my husband to cope with what’s going on. I have a 13 year of my own and share our 17 month old with my husband. He has 2 of his own 8 and 13. It’s been a hell of a ride. Fast forward to today- He recieved a phone call from baby mama since she has been somewhat ok for 1 week after he drug binge again. She asked my husband if he was going to request child support from her and he said NO! She said she was receiving cash aid for now and food stamps and wanted to give it to him to help out with the kids! He told her “NO”! He told her to use it for herself and to take care of herself and not to worry about the kids! She told him she didn’t need them since she was checking into rehab again and he told her to use it when she gets out.. I don’t know what’s going on?! I’m shocked! Why on earth wouldn’t be take the help?! He’s constantly complaining about money and stressed out about it! He tells me to ask my BD for help for my sons clothes this school year because he couldn’t afford it! He doesn’t pay health insurance for our daughter and I carry her slack taking care of the kids when he works! I do more for them then he does! I wanted to get a job because he wouldn’t stop complaining about my ex not helping enough but I can’t becUse he needs someone to help with the kids! He’s making these plans with her instead of me! His wife !! I need some opinions of this! I’m I pissed for no reason?! 

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fourbrats's picture

because it is welfare fraud. She is given cash assistance and food stamps for herself because he has custody of the kids. If he takes it he leaves himself open to investigation or her filing in court that he took it. She doesn't have the ability to help herself let alone anyone else. It would be better if he only contacted her or allowed her to contact him within the guidelines of the court order. 

Kes's picture

Why wouldn't he take the help?  Male pride I suspect, of taking food stamps/cash from a drug addict.  Plus I imagine your DH is wanting BM to get back on her feet at some point, for the sake of her children if nothing else.  Maybe you could put it to him that he accept a nominal amount from BM as it would maybe help her to think she is doing the right thing by her kids, and it would help your finances too. 

thinkthrice's picture

that's why NCP BMs continually get let off the hook for CS by the system.   Male ego is a BIG part of it.  He should file for CS STAT!

MomOfTwo1313's picture

100% It will give her a reason to try to get better! There’s no accountability 

lieutenant_dad's picture

I'm assuming she lied about custody of the kids which is why she is getting both food stamps and cash aid. Most states have some sort of work requirement, or dependent requirement, to receive aid. She has neither right now, so it would be fraud on a few different levels for him to take and spend the money. Plus, it's not really her money since, I'm assuming, she's not working and paying into the tax base.

I'm also assuming that if this goes to court, your DH is seeing lawyer fees and having to be COed to expose his kids to a meth head again. Not taking anything from BM means less drama for your household and his kids. 

I'll agree that there needs to be an influx of funds into the household. The older 3 are old enough to be latchkey kids if you have bus service to and from school. Have you looked into daycare prices for the baby? Opposite-shift jobs? Something part-time some evenings and weekends? Contract work you can do from home? There are loads of options, and you're effectively looking at only needing daycare for 1 kid.

MomOfTwo1313's picture

You’re right. I didn’t think about that. He lets BM have access to the kids when ever she wants. She just chooses not too since she’s always going on binges and disappearing. Hopefully rehab will work this time. As far as me working .. I do the invoicing and scheduling for the company we own and I take care of the kids. He works about 3 times a week. Even on his days off I have responsibility of the kids. My ex helps with my son by picking him up 2 times a week and spending time with him every other weekend. He help financially but it’s not consistently. He’s on disability and struggling after he broke his pelvic in a motorcycle accident. He basically harasses me about my sons father “not helping” and makes comments about it in front of my son which pisses me off even more. I would love to go back to work but he tells me “No” because I don’t need too and it will lead us to divorce even when I reassure him it won’t. I also resale online and there’s where I give my son for the stuff he needs as well. It makes me mad that he doesn’t take any type of help even when she offers him cash and basically begs for him to take it and he tells her no but then I have to hear it that we’re broke as if it were my fault because my ex “doesn’t help”... 

lieutenant_dad's picture

Then say to your DH:

"This current dynamic will push me to divorce faster than me working will. We HAVE to come up with a solution because BOTH of our exes currently don't, and likely never will, have the means to support our respective kids. The bulk is going to fall on US. If BM or my ex are ever in financial situations comparable to ours, then we can both consider seeking CS. Until then, WE have to problem solve this and take their help when it's legal and moral for us to. So, let's discuss how we're going to raise our respective children AND make sure our mutual child isn't left in the dust of this disaster."

Given that you are running a business, I think contract work doing a similar job for another small business (or a couple of small businesses) would be ideal. You could set your own schedule, take on clients you want to take on, and keep your resume fresh if your DH keeps reinserting his head up his rear.

MomOfTwo1313's picture

Love your advice!! Thank you so much!! 

tog redux's picture

In my state, they go after the other parent for money when one parent is getting financial assistance. Don't be surprised if he gets a summons to court to pay child support to HER, especially if she's lying about having custody.

Though I will say, it's not his job to buy clothes for YOUR bio son, if it's not his. Looks like you have to go to work.

ChamomileTea4Me's picture

Addicts will get money wherever ever can!  The girls BM got cash assistance and food stamps claiming she was caring for the girls when she hadn't for a year or so.  The state tried to get MR. ED to pay back the cash assistance and pay HER child support for 3 girls he was caring for 24/7.  It was a mess!  He had to hire a lawyer, prove she was not giving him any money, prove the girls were in fact living with him, and BM ended up being charged with Welfare Fraud.  Whatever you do...DON'T TAKE THE CASH OR FOOD STAMPS or you and DH can both be charged as well.

MomOfTwo1313's picture

Yes! I told him about this after the post after reading up on it. She’s trying to get him to sign a paper that drops child support from both ends and he’s actually going to sign it. She’s on meth and everything but she’s not stupid. She will screw him anyway she can like she did in the past and my dumb butt is always here to help him out of it 

SteppedOut's picture

It's not her husband's job to buy her kids clothes...BUT he "won't let her work" so she can help with his kids. 

 

Disneyfan's picture

That has nothing to do with her son's father.

She is helping with his kids.  He is supporting her kid all year.  There's nothing wrong with him asking her ex to help out every now and then.

lieutenant_dad's picture

My question would be if BD is already paying CS. If he is, then it's not fair to ask him to pay for more due to the circumstances in his ex's home and life, especially when she isn't financially contributing to their son.

I'd be beyond peeved if BM got married and quit working, then came to DH for more money on top of CS because her new DH said he wouldn't pay for something for the boys. It's not my DH's fault that their financial situation has gone tits up, or their agreement no longer works. That's on them to figure out, not for DH to supplement.

But, if BD isn't paying CS and doesn't have 50/50 custody, then I agree that it's fine to ask him to pay. But then OP needs to go after her ex for CS like she wants her DH to do, AND she has to work with her DH on a long-term financial solution since the current arrangement isn't working anymore.

MomOfTwo1313's picture

There is nothing wrong and he does help. So why do I get harassed by him saying I don’t do it enough when he refuses any type of help from his BM even when she’s practically begging him to take it? 

thinkthrice's picture

is a much easier emotional punching bag and target than Meth BM.

How's that exit plan coming along?

MomOfTwo1313's picture

Saving little by little 

tog redux's picture

Still not his job to pay for her son's clothes if he has a father who is alive. What's up with the double standard here? She is upset that BM isn't helping pay for her kids, when her ex isn't helping to pay for his kid?

 

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

Where does it say that OP's ex isn't paying helping to provide for their child. And if DH is expecting OP to stay home and babysit for the HIS children then HE has to provide for HER child since he isn't allowing her too.

MomOfTwo1313's picture

Yes my son father helps when he can and sees our son quit often. Tue, thurs and every other weekend. I’m with his kids way more then my own son 

MomOfTwo1313's picture

I said... He does help! I work on our business and watch the kids while he’s at work and when he’s not. He doesn’t work full time. About 2 or 3 days a week. I’m technically paying for my child by babysitting and working on the business so no! His dad pays half and I pay half 

MomOfTwo1313's picture

He wants me to be home so I can be here for his kids. His son is ADHD and is wild and can’t be trusted to be alone. And he’s always fighting rough with the 8 year old physically so they NEED to be watched 

MomOfTwo1313's picture

You’re right. I didn’t think about that. He lets BM have access to the kids when ever she wants. She just chooses not too since she’s always going on binges and disappearing. Hopefully rehab will work this time. As far as me working .. I do the invoicing and scheduling for the company we own and I take care of the kids. He works about 3 times a week. Even on his days off I have responsibility of the kids. My ex helps with my son by picking him up 2 times a week and spending time with him every other weekend. He help financially but it’s not consistently. He’s on disability and struggling after he broke his pelvic in a motorcycle accident. He basically harasses me about my sons father “not helping” and makes comments about it in front of my son which pisses me off even more. I would love to go back to work but he tells me “No” because I don’t need too and it will lead us to divorce even when I reassure him it won’t. I also resale online and there’s where I give my son for the stuff he needs as well. It makes me mad that he doesn’t take any type of help even when she offers him cash and basically begs for him to take it and he tells her no but then I have to hear it that we’re broke as if it were my fault because my ex “doesn’t help”... 

Disneyfan's picture

Why are you complaining about BM not paying CS when according to another blog, your son's father doesn't pay CS either?

He should have spoken to you, but when it's all said and done he gets to decide how he will handle this.

I don't see anything wrong with him wanting your ex to handle back to school shopping for your son.  Since your husband is supporting your son, asking for help from your ex every now and then shouldn't be a problem.

There's nothing stopping you from working if you want to.  As a family of 6 living on one income, changes are you would qualify for subsidized childcare.

 

MomOfTwo1313's picture

Hopefully rehab will work this time. As far as me working .. I do the invoicing and scheduling for the company we own and I take care of the kids. He works about 3 times a week. Even on his days off I have responsibility of the kids. My ex helps with my son by picking him up 2 times a week and spending time with him every other weekend. He help financially but it’s not consistently. He’s on disability and struggling after he broke his pelvic in a motorcycle accident. He basically harasses me about my sons father “not helping” and makes comments about it in front of my son which pisses me off even more. I would love to go back to work but he tells me “No” because I don’t need too and it will lead us to divorce even when I reassure him it won’t. I also resale online and there’s where I give my son for the stuff he needs as well. It makes me mad that he doesn’t take any type of help even when she offers him cash and basically begs for him to take it and he tells her no but then I have to hear it that we’re broke as if it were my fault because my ex “doesn’t help”... 

ChamomileTea4Me's picture

I read some of your other blogs and was wondering...why did you decide to reconcile and move back in?  If it's for financial reasons, I won't judge you...its hard to start out again on your own as a single parent.  But if you want to sort through this mess, you gotta just lay it all out there so the good people here can help. :)  It sounds like maybe the two of you didn't really work out the old issues before jumping back in the fire. 

On cash assistance & food stamps - I commented above in more detail, but basically...DON'T TAKE THE MONEY OR STAMPS!  You both would be committing welfare fraud if you did.

On CS from BM - Forget about it until she gets clean and gets a steady job.  My SO never asked for CS or saw a penny for SDs because BM never got straight.  She was already in and out of prison over the years, so a CS order was just going to send her back for non-payment. Your DH's best chance at ever seeing CS is to give her time to get her crap straight on her own.

On the imbalance of money/work/childcare - He's complaining about money and you are complaining about taking care of the kids more than he does.  It sounds to me like you both really agree that you should go back to work outside the home.  I'm assuming the older 3 are all in school during the day, so you just need to find care for your little one.  The older 2 are old enough to look after SD8 after school.  I work for myself (online reseller), but there have been times over the years I took on an additional part-time job outside the home office JUST so I was not constantly available and responsible for SKIDS.  It definitely helped.

On "I do more for them then he does!" - I understand why this feels true, but you can't look at it like that.  You are a stay at home mom right now, so your "job" is to care for the children and run the household.  He works full time, I assume, so that is his contribution to caring for all the children AND you.  You got to give him some credit where credit is due.  If you want to be appreciated for your contribution to the family, you've got to be willing to show him an appreciation for his. 

It sounds like you and DH need to have a heart-to-heart about what roles each of you actually want to play in this household/marriage and decide if you two are compatible in that way or not.  

 

MomOfTwo1313's picture

Of him changing and Couseling that don’t come true again. Him blocking my bank card and trying to take our car brought me back. I’m working on it. Believe me. As far as me working .. I do the invoicing and scheduling for the company we own and I take care of the kids. He works about 3 times a week. Even on his days off I have responsibility of the kids. My ex helps with my son by picking him up 2 times a week and spending time with him every other weekend. He help financially but it’s not consistently. He’s on disability and struggling after he broke his pelvic in a motorcycle accident. He basically harasses me about my sons father “not helping” and makes comments about it in front of my son which pisses me off even more. I would love to go back to work but he tells me “No” because I don’t need too and it will lead us to divorce even when I reassure him it won’t. I also resale online and there’s where I give my son for the stuff he needs as well. It makes me mad that he doesn’t take any type of help even when she offers him cash and basically begs for him to take it and he tells her no but then I have to hear it that we’re broke as if it were my fault because my ex “doesn’t help”... 

Disneyfan's picture

Your husband knows that your working is the first step to you not being financially dependent on him.  Once you have the ability to support yourself and your children on your own, you will walk away from him.  

Truth be told, you do not have to wait for a job to leave.  Whoever helped you when you left the first time, will help you again.  Social services will give you foodstamps, cash assistance, childcare and help with finding employment.  They will help with going after both men for CS.  They will help with housing.  

You do not have to stay in the situation.

MomOfTwo1313's picture

I think at the end of the day it sums up to this.. I have someone to watch my son and my daughter. I dying to go back to work and get myself out of this stressful environment for atleast 5 hours a day. 4 kids full time and helping out with the business is wearing me down. Kids are always crying which I understand and husband is always sleeping when he’s at home. He only works about 3 days a week since he can make his own hours. On his days off I am still cooking, cleaning and trying to distract the kids from what’s going on in their lives. Maybe it’s just piled up resentment. Don’t understand why he’s so hard on me and so easy on her. The father of my son helps out when he can. Picks up son from school and spends 5 hours with him each time 2 days a week and spends time with him every other weekend. He helps with school clothes and helps when there’s an emergency. I think he just throws that in my face to justify why he’s so easy on her all the time. I take care of his kids as if they were my own 24/7. I help with his business so I do pay for my son with how much work I put in. Just because I don’t get a paycheck to show for it he throws it in my face that he’s the only provider. I think he just wants my ex to take my son completely so I can be disponible to his kids and his needs only. I feel like it’s a punishment from his end 

tog redux's picture

You do realize that him taking your car and bank card to prevent you from working is abusive, right? It's a sign of domestic violence. He may not hit you (yet), but he's controlling you through finances. 

MomOfTwo1313's picture

Believe me.. 2 years non stop of this same crap. I got a job against his wishes at a hospital and the hours were rough but I loved it. When I got home I tried to take a nap or go to sleep early and he did everything he could to wake me up and not let me sleep. It was HELL! He stayed out drinking late with his friends (or so he said)  and came home at like 2am waking me up. When I leave he blocks my card and takes the car and says it’s because he doesn’t want me spending anything on my son because it’s not his responsibility. He said if I needed anything for our daughter ONLY he will go to the store and buy it himself. He plays his little games  

Disneyfan's picture

By staying in this relationship, you are making the choice to play this stupid game with him.

Harry's picture

Go to welfare and show she has the kids for the aid she is receiving for them.  Or she may have to pay back the money she receive.  They will cut her off until she is paid up 

MomOfTwo1313's picture

Would never rat her out. If she ever get in trouble he would bail her out 

lieutenant_dad's picture

So what your saying is that your abusive POS DH is still in love with his ex but realizes she was a crap mother, so he married and knocked you up so that you'd stick around to raise his kids because their own mother couldn't do the "woman's work", and he keeps you there through financial abuse and physical control?

I redact everything I said before. Find a women's shelter if you think you need it, or get a job and figure out how to sleep through his tirades (e.g. lock the bedroom door, put on some headphones and white noise, wear a blackout mask, take some Benadryl to sleep deeper - don't care what) until you can pay a down payment on an apartment so you can leave.

If you won't do it for yourself, do it for your kids. Your son is learning that this is how you treat women. Your daughter is learning that this is how women get treated. Both your kids have to witness you suffer through abuse, and they are internally normalizing it. What you see happening to you will be what your son does to another woman or what your daughter will endure by another man because you're setting the example that this is okay.

Get out of this crappy marriage now.

MomOfTwo1313's picture

Saying that he’s atill in love with her. Just don’t know what other explanation there would be? She was already with someone when we met. And she wasn’t into drugs yet... She was a bitch to me but seemed to be a good mom up u til 2 years ago. He acts and treats her like he owes her something 

Siemprematahari's picture

Believe me.. 2 years non stop of this same crap. I got a job against his wishes at a hospital and the hours were rough but I loved it. When I got home I tried to take a nap or go to sleep early and he did everything he could to wake me up and not let me sleep. It was HELL!

How can you allow this man to control every aspect of your life??? He has you at his mercy and unless you leave or major changes are made you will always fall victim to his BS. You do realize your children see this and will think it's ok. Your H is modeling abusive & controlling behavior which all the kids will pick up on. Ask  yourself would you ever want your children in a relationship like this? Where they have no say or freedom to do what they like?

SteppedOut's picture

Why aren't you getting paid for the work you do for the business? You say "our business". But who is on the incorporation/LLC documents filed with the state? 

You need to get to a lawyer for a divorce consultation. This is a horribly abusive situation. 

ChamomileTea4Me's picture

So, YOU are not earning actual money for the work you do for the business?  Ok...everything I said about giving him credit where credit is due in my other comment...null and void.  

This man works 3 days a week, uses you for free labor while you are also selling online AND managing the household/children, and then has the audacity to carry on like he is an actual provider and leader?  You mentioned he works 3 days a week because he works for himself and can make his own schedule.  I work for myself as an online reseller, make my own hours, and I will tell you I work full time, 5 to 6 days per week most weeks.  He works 3 days per week partly because he has you doing some of the work for free and maybe also because he just isn't cut out to run his own business.  It's AWESOME if you can work 3 days a week and be financially secure, but if you are not financially secure while building your own business, then 3 days per week ain't gonna cut it!  I'll be 'darned' if any man working 3 days/week and expecting me to basically help him do his job for free and babysit his kids is going to "allow or not allow" me to do ANYTHING!  Oh...I'm shaking my head right now, Dear OP!

You are the only one who can stand up on your own two feet and walk you and your kids out of that ridiculously abusive and controlling situation.  As others have posted above, there is help out there so you can leave now.  I have experienced domestic emotional and physical abuse and I, like so many others, have seen the light on the other side.  Once you make that decision and get to that place, you will never again spend one day in the presence of a man such as your DH.  I am so sorry that you have found yourself in this place and there will be struggles when/if you leave, but I hope for the sake of both you and your children that you pack your bags tomorrow and never look back. <3

MomOfTwo1313's picture

name under the llc but it was established when we were married. Lawyer told me either spousal support or he has to pay me a portion to buy me out. He can do or say what he wants but I am well informed. It’s just a matter of leaving for good and never coming back. I’m saving how I can and the day is coming 

Disneyfan's picture

The day could be today.  One simple call to a women's shelter and you would be out of that house in no time.  No need ti have money saved up.  No need to have an exit plan in place.  All you need is the will to get yourself out of your current situation ASAP.

 

tog redux's picture

Yep. But OP - be prepared when you leave, that's when abusers get the most violent. And make no mistake, your DH is abusive.