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Guilty Dad syndrome Take two....

tankh21's picture

StrugglingSM made a good point about Guilty Dad syndrome on her blog. Has anyone's been unhappy and didn't want to stay in a marriage or relationship any longer but still stayed with the BM "for the kids"?

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ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

I posted earlier today... DH only really married her because of the kids. Then forgave her for all her frequent cheating until he just couldn't take it anymore... All for the kids because he didn't want them affected by her crap... She was also violent... Honestly I would have fled... And I'm sill confused as to why he even had something with her o begin with based on everything I've heard. Which is more than I want sometimes since MIL likes to talk... I think it's shockingly common...

tankh21's picture

Same with my DH. He stayed with BM for 12 years for the kids so he says and just kept on sleeping with her even though she had been with other men. They were never married and he said that he wouldn't marry her because of what kind of person she is. I just couldn't stay with someone and be that unhappy and keep on sleeping with a person like that.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Ditto... plus in my opinion... If it's a bad marriage is it even a good situation for the kids to be in with you together?... I don't get it st all... DH married her because she got pregnant at 16 so he "couldn't leave her alone." And then made him feel like he ruined her life. She told my MIL she's mad at DH and SD8 because they "ruined her teenage years." Like last year... I don't get it. Maybe I'm just less sympathetic lol

tankh21's picture

It takes two to tango. Your DH tried to do the right thing by marrying BM and he ruined her life. RIGHT!! I hate how people like to project their drama unto other people.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

You should see all the wicked loans she took out in his name while he was deployed... or the government collected on her military issued credit card (dependent) and guess what? The government took all DH's tax returns for this last year to cover the costs... I was pissed. We needed those. But apparently he still counted as a co-signed even though they were divorced just simply because she racked it up as a dependent. But yes. My DH was totally the life ruiner.

*Gag*

lieutenant_dad's picture

Not my DH, but I have a friend who stays because he doesn't want to have to split custody. He's admitted that it would hurt more to see his kids less than it currently hurts to stay with his wife. He loves his wife, but he knows they aren't a good match for each other. They are totally the couple I can see splitting as soon as the kids go off to college, or splitting when DW finds someone better.

My DH did, however, marry BM because she was pregnant and he specifically didn't want any of his or her family to refer to his son as a b@$tard. They were teens when they got married, and while they were already "engaged" when they got married, DH admits that they probably wouldn't have gotten married had she not gotten pregnant.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Mine said that as well... It's the guilt for the kids. Men are more kindhearted than I think people think sometimes.

Tuff Noogies's picture

mine did as well, not for her but for the kids (they were 1, 5, and 7). he would spend time with the kids after he got home, and when they went to bed he'd disappear to his mancave until dumb@$$ went to bed, then he'd go up and sleep on the couch. this has been confirmed by others.

Tuff Noogies's picture

i don't think i could either, but i really can't say since i don't have any bios. dh has said that it was kind of like two ships passing in the night, or like having a ghost for a roommate.

strugglingSM's picture

How did you guess that my DH stayed married even though he was miserable because he wanted his kids to have an intact family?

I told him that I don't think they had an intact family even when he and BM were married.

DH told me that he married BM because she was his first serious girlfriend (he was BM's first serious boyfriend), he was still grieving over his father's unexpected death, and MIL told him that in his mid-20s he was at the age when he really should be married. He's told me that he considered ending things two years in, but ultimately didn't. They didn't have kids until 5 years after they got married and my SSs were born through IVF, so they consciously made the choice to have children, even though their relationship was not great. DH thought that having kids would "fix their relationship."

Still, he fought the divorce tooth and nail. If BM hadn't met her current husband, she never would have filed, though, so they'd still be unhappily married together. DH sometimes tells me that he had to travel for work a lot in the years leading up to the divorce, so he feels responsible. I remind him that he has a cousin who has traveled for his job for months at a time, yet still manages to be happily married, so really, there's more to the story. He traveled for work, so his family would have money, because there were no jobs in his field in the area where they lived and BM refused to move, even though she was self-employed and could work anywhere.

I would love someone to do studies on the impact of living with married, but high conflict parents. I would imagine those situations would have similar impacts to divorce on children. My sister had a college roommate whose parents were still married, but who lived totally separate lives. They lived in the same house, but refused to ever sit in the her same room with one another and refused to go to things together. I think this girl resented both of her parents and probably had a really skewed view of marriage and relationships, yet, according to society, her life should be better, because her parents didn't split.

I think divorce becomes this big evil thing that masks a lot of other big evil things that go on even without a divorce. I think it also becomes a big catch all excuse for when things go wrong. I often wonder if divorce happens because two people are dysfunctional and it's the dysfunction (that existed before the divorce and after the divorce) that causes the problems, not the divorce itself. I can admit that divorce presents other problems - like marginalized NCP (who are marginalized by choice or by the design of the CP), but I suspect if many of those marriages had remained intact, some of the same dynamics still would have played out.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

I think sometimes divorce really is better for everyone... if it's not a happy marriage it's not good for you and it's gonna cause the kids pain too... plus I think on what I've heard about DH and BM... or I had a parent approach me at softball once and tell me how much happier the Skids are now... That ever since DH and BM split and they've been with DH most of the time and when I got here, they're just seemed happier and more outgoing. Living in constant tension isn't good for anyone!

moving_on_again's picture

SO was in the marriage "for the kids." And he swears BM was better when she was pregnant, but that all three kids weren't intentional. The first one that got him to marry her isn't even his. BM cheated non-stop when she wasn't pregnant (shoot, probably did then, too). SO claims that he didn't know she cheating as often as she was. Which seems weird because I knew about it and I didn't even live in the same town.

SO would get home from work and BM would take off. He would get the kids fed and in bed and she would come home in the middle of the night. They repeated this routine quite often. Then BM met a guy that she liked a lot so BM filed for divorce. When that guy found out, he said, "I hope you didn't do that for me, this is not serious." He told the whole town. BM tried to reconcile with SO and he said no way. I think he'd had enough and by that time the whole town knew and I think SO was embarrassed. He's freaking lucky he didn't get an STD and BM was literally the only person he had slept with at that time.

They also stayed together so long because of religious reasons. SO was only the second person in his family to get a divorce. Now all of his siblings have been divorced except one.

strugglingSM's picture

In my case, BM wasn't cheating, she was going to the casino, but she'd do the same thing - leave as soon as DH was home and go out all night gambling. She spent between $2500 and $5000 each month playing blackjack. Didn't help that they lived 15 minutes from a casino. Her new husband also likes to play poker, so they go there all the time together, leaving the kids home alone on weeknights and her weekends to go gambling. Her husband has a 15 year old son and I think they leave him home alone on weekends. He doesn't seem to have that many friends, so the house hasn't been trashed, yet, but I can't wait until SSs are in high school and her house becomes the party house.

moving_on_again's picture

I don't understand how people have the money to go to the casino that often. It would make me sick to spend more than $20. We are going to the casino for our "honeymoon" but before that we hadn't been since June.

strugglingSM's picture

BM makes well into the six figures and works professionally as an accountant, but still never managed to pay the bills. I think she thought she would strike it rich at the casino. She was also always trying to convince DH to go along with some of those pyramid schemes. She told him once "we'll be millionaires!" when driving to an event about some Amway-style selling scheme. On the ride home, DH told her "that's a pyramid scheme and I won't ask my family to buy toilet paper from us." BM had a fit and screamed and cried and said "why did I ever marry you?!" "I hate you!"

I'm a terrible gambler, too. I feel like I should just walk up to the table, drop off my money and walk away.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

My uncles taught me growing up. With the logic "it's only gambling if you lose." Let's just say one of them never gambles and the other gambles pretty well every time. Lol.

moving_on_again's picture

Ya, I only play slots. SO played $5 a hand on blackjack once and lost $20 in the blink of an eye. I about died. I just can't.

thinkthrice's picture

Same here. Chef KNEW deep down that marrying the drunken spoiled, sorority girl who was coddled, enmeshed with HER PASing BM and plaigiarized her way through school was a mistake.

By the time the first kid came he knew that the Girhippo was not an ideal mom or wife. But he continued to don rose colored glasses and act as though they were one big happy family, white picket fence, yada yada. He also continue to breed with the Gir for a total of 3 spawns.

He feels THAT in the pocketbook every day for the past 1.5 decades.

The last skid was to "save the marriage"(TM)

Chef would often work 3 jobs so that the stay-in-bed mom Girhippo could keep her bachelor's degree on ice that she plagiarized through. It was her idea to be a stay at home mom.

He would come home and the place was a disaster. Nothing was done, No laundry, no meals, no child care; kids would be in shitty diapers. The Girhippo would be on the internet all day looking for ways to become a Food Network star or have her children be child models and believe me, these skids have a face only a mother could love. She refused to go back to work when all three were in school. This was a couple years after the breakup. She just thought that Chef would forward his entire salary to her forever more.

Chef would bust his buns fixing and remodeling the house and she would go off with her friends.

blayze's picture

Yep, ex-SO stayed for the kids, too... they were not married and BM was neglectful, abusive, crazy, and a crappy parent to her other kids. Ex claims he didn't want his two to live with her alone.

And now that she's had all SIX of her kids removed from her custody, I can see that he was right to at least stick around for damage control.

She's the most disgusting human being ever (except on fb where she's MOTY).

tankh21's picture

Are you saying that parents should stay together for the kid's sake and sacrifice their own happiness even though they are in a toxic marriage or relationship? I guess you can commend them but there is also nothing wrong with getting out of a marriage that you don't want to be in any longer.

DaniellaR's picture

I think a lot of men do stay in an unhappy relationship for a while. DH married the cow after she got preg (lied about BC and told him she was allergic to condoms- he knows he is an idiot for believing her) and he came back from war. DH thought he was going to die so he would get out of marrying that thing. He is catholic, so the religious guilt and heavy psych medication from the VA helped push him toward marriage. They were unhappily married the entire time. She was in and out of inpatient psych. DH was taking more psych meds everytime he had a VA appointment. He would tell them he was unhappy and another med would be added- skid#2 came along while he was gorked from over medicating. It took 2 years for a decent VA doc to wean him off unnecessary psych meds and as soon as his fog lifted he divorced the thing.

DaniellaR's picture

About 7 years. 3 years of her in and out of the nut house, 2 years of DH getting off of psych meds and 2 years of couples counseling because my idiot DH felt guilty about wanting to divorce because of the kids.

Acratopotes's picture

SO got married to BM, after 2 years told her he wants a divorce, she told him he's pregnant and he will never see the child, he stayed married to her for another 4 years, then she got pregnant again but not his... grounds for divorce lol... but although they shared a house they only fought 24/7, insulted each other, see who could spite the other one more... etc.. hostile environment

He wanted to stay married till kid was done with school.... would've saved me allot of problems lol

My one brother remained married to his wife (12 years), for the kids, total eff up.... fighting, screaming, not a good environment and today shows with his kids..they are just as Aergia hostile and no respect for any one

Other brother and his wife decided they fell out of love they will separate and divorce, the kids where only 8months old and one was almost 3..
well 10 years later these 2 are still not legally divorced, they do not see the point, they live in different towns, each has another partner, and they still visit week-ends and have holidays together (all 4 adults and allot of children)... kids are well balanced... No one has a clue who's kids belongs to what parent cause the 8 kids calls every one Mum and Dad when they are together...

Brother and wife has 2, his girl friend has 1, together they have 1, SIL's boyfriend has 3 and together they have 1.. it's truly a Brady bunch lol...
and the new partners knows about the situation and really do not care..