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Adult SD's "no contact" games

Mominator's picture

I've got a 20 year old SD who has disengaged from my DH almost a year now. He's still sending Christmas $$, B-day $$, etc., and she finally started texting him "thank you", but nothing else.

Recently she wanted something of hers from our house, and had her friend text my DH about getting it, and her friend came over a few days latter and picked up her item for her.

I know by experience, her maturity level is well below what a 20 year old's should be. My 11 year old talks and acts more mature than she does.

WHY, WHY, WHY the "8-year-old" games with DH???? What is the motive of having her friend do all the contacting to her father over a small personal item??? She WAS communicating when he'd send Christmas/b-day $$.

Obviously it tortures him because "she" won't come to him.

I just DO NOT GET the head-games and what her motives are. Does the brat really believe at this point she can still drive a wedge between us?? ......because he's well past that manipulation coming from her. Or, is it the ongoing "princess syndrome" that she's so proudly used in the past to get daddy-doormat to do her bidding using her "helpless" routine??

I just can't seem to wrap my head around this last round of games. What the heck is she trying to gain with him, or is it just plain old immaturity rearing it's ugly head again???

And, fortunately my DH doesn't like drama or head-games, and is the typical "male" that doesn't obsess about the stupid stuff she plays, other than he's just "clueless" as to why she can't just contact him directly over picking up a personal item herself.

monet30's picture

My sd is very good she will be graduating friday, I have been told by her dad I cant go she does not want me there and it would make her mad and piss her off, i have other friends that kids are graduationg I would like to she dh said if I go i could not sit with him it would miss up her big day they ar also going out to eat afterwards, now we have just been to see the counseler who said we should be together on everthing together we stand divided we fall, but not when it comes to sd, what do I do?
Go or not go?

frustratedstepdad's picture

Tell your DH not to feel bad. My SD's pull this type of crap all the time. She is just trying to manipulate the situation and make your DH feel bad. Instead of X-mas or birthday $$ he should just send a card, that's it. Your SD is just being immature, and there's nothing really you can do about it except ignore her and go on living your lives.

***Also Mustang1 is right. Enjoy this time that she is out of your house while you can. Trust me, she'll probably be back.

Mominator's picture

OH HECK YES.....I am VERY GRATEFUL for the very little "manipulation contact" that IS going on. God forbid right now, they actually have more contact. Definitely less stress on me.

And as far as her being back in my house again, that is a DEFINITE NO. I have made it very clear to DH, I am completely disengaged from her for a GOOD LONG WHILE. I have no intention of changing that unless by some miracle she grows up someday. But, by the looks of things on this forum, the adult entitled brats DO NOT.

Mominator's picture

I've suggested he not even send cards much less $$$, but that's fallen on deaf ears. He's so needy and desperate for their love and attention, he'll continue to send the cards and $$$.

Personally, I think they'd come around quicker if they didn't get free hand outs for lack of a relationship with him, but that's just my opinion.

I continue to ignor/disengage. It's made my life (and our marriage) sooooo much happier/better.

He's got a pretty good handle on everything too. He's too much of a man to let the drama and games eat at him too much. Men don't *think* or obsess and worry like we women do, and that is our advantage over the stupid SD games that are played. They simply have no effect on him whatsoever, other than an occasional "hurt" he will feel for the lack of contact. But it goes away in a few days.

christag's picture

I don't know what to say except it was the same with my SD. She left home after her last day of high school and left most of her things behind, only taking some personal mementos and her dog. From time to time, one of her brothers would ask for something of hers from the house like we were holding it hostage. Not sure it gets any better. My SD never has returned home, I haven't actually seen her since she left home. Not sure it's head-games or really just not wanting to deal with any situations at home. Rather than grow up and be a decent human being, I guess it's easier being a brat.

monet30's picture

My sd has been moved out 2 months now, and has came back 2 times to get things she has left and first ust her and dh was here next time I was home two, she had a fit and began to thoughings around the room, just to show her dad she could, now this is stuff when she was a child glue,posters,junk she did not really want just wanted to pull dads chain again because she was not getting what she wanted a new car, she did this 3 time before he made her leave, but not before he started fighting with me
and thats all she wanted to do, makes her very happy to she him go off on me, well I made him clean room and all her things where put in trash there is nothing for her to come back for,also she is not to come back here and im not to go where she works, i fine with that, but her mail still comes here and thats just one more thing she can get pissed off about, and put in her dads face.

purpledaisies's picture

I would also take it a step further-- since she is not the one asking for her stuff how do you know she is the one asking or her friend just wants it. Her friend or brother or whoever other then SD asking for it how do you SD is the one wanting it. So with that in mind I would tell them sorry i can't give it to anyone but her to make sire she gets it. That way it will force her to step up and at least ask for her own crap!

But yeah she is just trying to do one more guilty trip is all it is.

herewegoagain's picture

I would wait until next time, and have all her stuff packed...I would tell the person..."great, cause I have it in a huge box w/all her other stuff and you called just in time..." and send her ALL her stuff.

Mominator's picture

Believe me, I would LOVE to pack her's and her sister's crap and toss it on the lawn for them to pick up, but DH would never let me. He want's to use their stuff as a "barganing chip" to regain contact with them again someday. *roll eyes*

sassafrassey's picture

My husband's kids do the same thing, if he tells them no they punish him by first calling him every name in the book, and then by not talking to him for months at a time. It didn't work with his daughter, he told her that the car he was going to buy her was off the table until she straightened up her act. His son still gets his way, and at 22 he refuses to work or take any responsibility. His daughter on the other hand is working 35 hours a week and going to school full time.

Mominator's picture

Yes, it's definitely to "punish DH", and guilt him. But, guilt him for WHAT?!?!?! She's a damn adult and not the little princess anymore. What does she want from him????

sassafrassey's picture

She wants her way, it is simple, when she doesn't get her way she won't talk to him. It is really sad that these children do this to purposely hurt their parents. Hopefully your husband see's through the manipulation and will not let her manipulate him into submission. Good luck.

Mominator's picture

Yes, that makes sense. "She wants her way."

That's what the BM and the two brats did to my DH his whole entire life. And he bought into it. He gave into them for the sake of "peace" in the family (no fights/drama). These adult brats learned from the best (their BM) on how to treat dad, so they know no other way than to cut him off every time they don't like something he's done. Punish him. Only, now, since we blocked the BM from calling us over a year and a half ago, these brats have lost their firepower (their "Hitler") against their dad. And they aren't as skilled as the BM for sure when it comes to the manipulation.

Still....the games go on.

WELL, at least it's few and far between and I don't have to put up with them anymore.

DH just constantly gives me the "deer in the headlights" look when he can't understand why they are acting this way. I just don't dare tell him the truth or he gets defensive with me.

HE KNOWS. He knows he screwed up by giving into them all their lives. He knows it has cost him what he has (relationship-wise) with them today.

He does feel bad/guilty at times, but he's too much of a man's man to let it eat him up. And that is what deflates whatever mean and spiteful goals those brats have for him from time to time. He just moves on in life with me and doesn't obsess over it.

sassafrassey's picture

Well you're lucky, because my husband still coddles his 22 year old son. His son who doesn't live at our house, leaves a rabbit out of it's cage for weeks on end, and when we ask him to get his "room" picked up so we can have the carpets cleaned, he refuses, my husband does it. His son plants a HUGE garden, leaves half of it in the driveway, all of it dies and he refuses to clean it up. My husband asks him to help, he says no, but you better not throw out any of my stuff...what does my husband do, picks it up and won't throw anything out (even a lawn bag of dirt), why...because he doesn't want to cause problems with his son...ugh...a 22 year old that doesn't live with me running the house. It will stop, or I will move.

Mominator's picture

I understand your frustration.

My DH almost got the boot last summer because he was letting his daughter run our household and walk all over me with disrespect. I'd finally had it. He woke up to realize who he's going to spend 24/7 with for the rest of his life. And.....there are things I do for him that are impossible for his bratty daughters. I don't think they've figured that out yet though. LOL.

herewegoagain's picture

funny... Blum 3

I told my DH the same...rude & crude? yes...well deserved? yes...

irritatedgal's picture

Try telling DH that you're doing spring cleaning and tell him how pissed you are that your home is being used as a storage unit-as far as contact-tell him that he should want contact from them for the right reasons-using their crap as a bargaining chip wouldn't mean they're contacting dear daddy cuz they love him.

sassafrassy-tell your DH how selfish he's being and tell him you want your damn house back and as far as YOU'RE concerned if he (stepson) doesn't like it he can take his anger and SHOVE IT UP HIS ASS.

AVR1962's picture

I've been seeing a counselor for this very kind of thing. Any relationship we engage in has a certain "dance." One person does something or makes a statement, that then makes us react in a certain way and that is repeated over and over again. If one person has been hurt by something someone has said then the automatic response is to retreat but realize children (small or adult) are the ultimate manipulators of their parents.

One of my kids is doing this same thing right now. My counselor told me NOT to chase her as this give her POWER and CONTROL. In unspoken words she is saying 'if you love me you will chase me and give me what I want.' Counselor says she doesn't know what it means not to have me and I have to let her make her own decisions and come to me. She told me not to call her, not to email, not to send her a card except for her b.day and keep a gift to around $20. NO money, no attempts to visit. Show her you have gone on with your life or be prepared to continue the game.

sassafrassey's picture

AVR1962 - I would be interested in how this is working for you? Has it changed the dynamics of your relationship with your daughter? I continuously tell my husband that he will never have a good relationship with his son until he changes the dynamics of the relationship, maybe one day it won't fall on deaf ears.

AVR1962's picture

I just met with counselor this past week so all of this is new to me. The day after my counseling session I felt very sad, like I had lost something but then I had to ask myself what I lost. My daughter wasn't coming to me. I was not losing anything. I realize she is correct, I have to stop the chase and if she desires a relationship with me she will come to me. I have made too many excuses for her.

One of my stepsons plays a little bit different game. He is extrememly dishonest....some cover their tracks well, he does not. Get this, I had not met his wife....we were not invited to the wedding because (as he told us) his mom would not let us in her house. Later found out wedding was not in mom's house. SSs know the tension between us and their mom, she had made her feelings towards us very clear....she was the one that left the boys but as soon as I walked into the picture she wanted them back and was hell-bent to destroy us both to the boys so lots of negative implants in the boys' heads but they cannot disappoint mommy as they know she will run again. You get the picture.

Wife gets pg, still had not met her but we started emailing and all went real well. I was asking when she was due and I got a month, no date, husband got the same from son. I asked if her mom was going to be with her when baby was born, she was. 3 weeks into the month SS's wife was due I wondered if the baby had been born, asked husband. Not sure why he had not told me but he said that his son had sent him an email. I received no word from no one. I wrote a congratulatory email......holy smokes! I got this terrible response back basically accusing me of lying that i had not been informed, how could I have not been present (what?), where was I (the Gma?). She told me to never contact her again and said all contact would only be with SS.

SS said I hurt her feeling. I hurt her feeling? How? I had NO info. I had been asking questions but responses were vague. Okay, so I try to let go and overlook. We finally meet. She was all peachy, gave me a kiss on my cheeck and a big hug, talked 90 miles an hour, was just as friendly as could be. We had a couple good visits.

Then comes time to celebrate little girl's 1st b.day. Looking back I should have just kept my mouth shut but the whole mess I had tried to overlook by not being invited to the wedding and then being told I was a liar and never to contact her had been suppressed and stewing which I am terrible bad about. I try very hard to overlook this uncomfortable situations and just press on but it raely works for me.

SS's wife had asked if I could help with 11 one year olds, mid week during the day which meant I would have to take off work & drive an hour one-way for this b.day party. My first reply was that I would love to but I had to work and suggested that we come up over the weekend and drop off a gift and spend time together but told her not to go out of her way with a cake, we could make it simple. Then I thought to myself I could take off the day and maybe that woudl be real special for everyone so I got back on email (we had not tele #) and there was an reply sitting in my inbox from her saying that they had changed plans with the party, moved it to Saturday so that SS's bio mom could be a part of the celebration and asked if we'd still be able to come.

SS knows the tension.....remember we weren't invited to wedding because of bio mom? Ugh, that was it for me! Yep, I screwed up and that suppression came right back up.....I wrote her back, I do not cuss unless mad and I told her "Hell no, excuse my French but we will not be attending b.day party, there has been alot of issues with bio mom that perhaps you have not been informed about or don't understand. It would be best if we were not there." SS let go. I stopped all communication with him and his wife. Told husband I was done.....done with the games, done with the lies, done trying. This was his from here on out. All of this took place 8 months ago.

Since, SS has blasted his dad with several emails about what terrible parents were are, how we have shown no concern or interest in his daughter, continually throwing it in his face that he was not there when the baby was born. Unfortunately, I think he is trying to use his daughter as a tool of levarage against us to manipulate and control us/his dad. Neither of us are going to play that game. Last email he wrote his dad he told him he never wanted anything more to do with either of us. As I see it, SS made his choice, he has made his request and I wish them well. I will not chase them. People cannot have a mutual relationship if it is not a mutual ground.

sixteensmom's picture

Avr will it drive u and dh crazy not to see the grandkid?

AVR1962's picture

We saw her twice, she is a real cutie! With all that had happened previous to meeting the little girl I was careful and I did not feel the attachment, maybe because I wouldn't let myself.

sassafrassey's picture

Wow, sorry to hear about that. It appeared for an instance that things were looking up, you were definitely making an effort. It is hard to let go of old resentments, especially when nothing changes. I wonder one day if I will be in the same position with SS, but guess what...I don't really care, I will not make an effort with him, in my opinion, if I met him on the street I would have no respect for him, so why should I now?