From a monster step child to step parent
I was a step child, and a pretty awful one. I had a father who was desperate to stay in my life, and a mother who would bad mouth him every chance she got. My step mom came into our lives when I was 6. I liked her at first, but I eventually became a teenager. I remember when she came into our lives that I started having to do chores at Dad's house, I was getting taught not to interrupt adults when they are speaking, and my dad was aggressively pushing social skills on me and being active. I had a step sister who was 5 years older, and my step mom always went to bat for her. She got the better room (she did live there full time), her likes and dislikes were always taken into consideration, and my dad was only concerned with keeping the peace. My mom passed when I was 13, and things got worse from there. I started being outright awful to my step mom (with that being said, she was not supportive or caring at all when my mom passed. When trying to reach my dad to tell him my mom was in a coma, my step mom answered and her response was "well, I can email him for you." Nothing like, "Are you okay," "Do you need anything," etc.). At one point, she became so frustrated with me that she told me, "Why can't you just go live with your aunt and uncle full time?" I did a lot of mean things to her, but I also believe she was not interested in bonding with me. Today, our relationship is fine. I'm 29 years old, and I see her maybe once a month when visiting my dad. She's great to my nieces and nephews, but has never been outwardly welcoming or especially friendly with anyone but her kid and her biological family.
Fast forward to now, I'm dating a man with a 7 year old, and on the path to marriage. He has his shortcomings, but I have never met a man with a bigger heart or who gives more love than this man. I see a lot of myself at her age in that little girl. She interrupts conversations, she doesn't do chores, she is bossy in social situations (even to adults), and her dad is desperately trying to undo the bad mouthing her mother is doing about him, by being a Disney dad. This doesn't make for an easy transition into a blended family. He is reluctant to start laying down the law, because he doesn't want to lose his relationship with his daughter. I never advise he should yell at her or be mean to her, but the crawling all over him, dictating to adults what they should do, negotiating with adults commands, and the manipulative behavior has to stop. This can be done in a stern but kind way, with positive reenforcement, but it must be done in order to move forward.
In addition to his daughter, his mother uses his daughter to control him. She is a woman of God, and also believes that the man should put his wife first, behind God. However, we are not married yet, so she is not respecting our relationship. I told him that he can't expect me to attend every family function and put on a united front, when everywhere we go he allows his family to disrespect our relationship. He let his family dictate the holiday schedule, despite the compromise me and him came to, and his mother used his daughter to manipulate the situation (she decided to take his daughter out of town 5 days before Christmas, then gave him a guilt trip about not being there, so we had to leave my family early to appease his). Our decisions should be made together, with our best interests in mind, while still prioritizing the health and safety of his child above all else. But instead, he makes agreements with me, then works the situation to try and keep everyone happy. It's quite frustrating. So working on him is part 1.
Part 2 is working on myself. As much as I don't want to be the step mom my step mother was, I am having issues wanting to bond with his daughter. I know her issues are not hers, they're a result of the destructive parenting her mother has given her, and the lack of parenting her father has provided her. But I get anxiety when I think about being around her, and how my boyfriend does not even pay attention to the manipulation and lack of respect this girl exhibits. I don't want to step in and start helping disciplining her and giving her rules, because we're not bonded and she'll resent me even more as a result. My SO expects me to eventually love her like I'd love my own kids, and I'm trying, but so far I feel nothing but worry and anxiety being around her.
Example: She demands adults sit in certain seating arrangements to purposely put herself between me and her father. I don't say anything because typically another family member is around (future mother in law, etc.), but I need my SO to step in and regulate the situation.
Another example: The second I walk through the door, she'll demand her father do something for her, that she is fully capable of doing. He has a big heart, and will do anything for anyone if they ask, but he doesn't see that this is her tactic of coming between us and demanding his attention.
Another example: She doesn't view me as an authority figure. She'll confide in me things that she shouldn't be saying to an adult. Like her father yelled at her for running in a parking lot, and she told me, "I don't have to listen to anyone but myself." This 100% word for word came out of her awful mother's mouth (I've never bad mouthed her mother in front of her FYI), but it doesn't make it okay.
Final example: She bosses her friends around and cousins, and hasn't learned to compromise. Instead of teaching her how to be a better friend and find common ground with people, her family forces friends and cousins to hang around her. If they don't want to do exactly what she wants to do while playing, she pouts until she gets adult pity, and they step in to remedy the situation, and she gets her way.
I want to bond with her, but if I start disciplining her that may prevent that. And I feel like if she's not disciplined, it will make me not want to bond with her. So it's up to my SO right now, I feel like.
I realize these seem like small things, but they add up. And in my head, I can only see things getting worse. She has a drug addict/promiscuous manipulator for a mother, she's an only child, and she's already exhibiting signs of mental health issues (anxiety, depression, etc.) that her mother also suffers from. I just worry about things getting worse. I also know teenage years are ahead (she's very advanced, already developing breasts), and I know how much worse I got around that age. I feel like if he doesn't step up now and work on the issues, I'm in for a tumultuous road ahead. I feel like I can't step in and help discipline her, because I haven't bonded with her, and doing so will make an already difficult situation even more difficult, especially down the road.
It's not an ideal situation, I know. But I love my SO, I want him in my life, and I want his daughter in our lives, but I'm struggling on how to make it work without being miserable in my own house, making her feel like Cinderella, and having to ride my SO's tail to get him to step up and do something. I want him to put me first in front of his child and his mother, so they know I am his significant other, and they have to respect me and our relationship. Any advice?
(Sorry this is so long! Please be nice!)
I could've written this myself
I met SD12 when she was 5. I wasn't a great stepdaughter, either, and my SM was never nurturing to me like she was her biological daughter.
My H is a Disney Dad and BM is a BPD, controlling psycho. I got way too involved and am trying to back track after 8 years. I have invested myself emotionally and am having a hard time stepping back.
My SD12 has learned that lies and manipulation help her to get what she wants and neither parent can see it. I don't really have advice, just experience and heartbreak. I don't think I'll ever leave my husband after this long. I plan to let BM and him deal with SD while I work on detaching from all of their madness.
Message me if you need a friend.
Thank you for your kind words
Thank you for your kind words. I'm sorry you're having to go through this, but I do find some comfort in knowing I'm not alone and there's not something wrong with me.
I came into my SD's life when
I came into my SD's life when she was 5. She and her BM and my DH were exactly how you describe. By the time SD was 12, I wanted nothing to do with her. She is now 14 and I am completely disengaged, even though she lives with us. When she turns 18, she will be out of my house and I will see her as little as possbile.
With a toxic BM there is no chance of you ever having a good relationship with this child. None. That me say that again. No chance. Multiply that by two since your step is a girl. And the BM is not going to suddenly welcome and respect you once you marry.
Personality is set by age 7. SD is genetically predisposed to have the same mental health issues her mother has. Compounding that fact she has received little to no discipline up until now, and is being actively told she is not required to cooperate. She has been given too much power and thinks she is on the same level as the adults. Even if your DH underwent a magical transformation, which he can't, it is still too late to change her. You are facing a lifetime of Oppositonal Defiant Disorder. Children like this are all about power and control, and when they have this personality, there is nothing you can do to change them.
Here are some links on ODD children: https://www.empoweringparents.com/article-categories/child-behavior-prob...
I 100 percent agree with this!!
Toxic BM's will never "allow" you to have a relationship with sd. you can try to build it and have a few good times in between, but it will ALWAYS be stomped down by a toxic alienator bm. my sd is 17 and it's been pure hell.
Ugh as much as I don't want
Ugh as much as I don't want to believe this is true, you're right.
Erm
No offence but why would you date a man with a 7-year-old and a godwoman
Time to Realize it all comes down to BM and bio-dad
You stated in your post, "Part 2 is working on myself. As much as I don't want to be the step mom my step mother was, I am having issues wanting to bond with his daughter. I know her issues are not hers, they're a result of the destructive parenting her mother has given her, and the lack of parenting her father has provided her."
I commend you for beginning to realize that SP'ing is much more complicated than most people think. You are launching into this role yourself now, and this gives you the ability to see issues from the other side, so to speak. Ispofacto alluded to this above, but the reality is BM and bio-dad have the most say/ influence on how SM and SKs get along. Yes, there are nasty SMs out there, just like there is nasty aunt, uncles, moms and dads. But, for the most part, manipulative, controlling BM and weak, enabling DH = step hell. And, there is very little any SP can do about that, other than maybe not bcoming one to begin with or disengaging after the fact.
I'd like you, if possible, to go a step further and realize that your own SM was probably put in the exact same position you seem to be going in now, and that is the more than likely the reason for any of your angst with SM vs. her personally. It is important that society as a whole starts to see the bio-parents as responsible for a lot of this SM or step-dad vs. SK attitude that seems to be out there and so prevelant. This is the only way things will change in the future and smooth transitions over for BOTH SMs and SKs. BM's PAS'ing and DH's head-in-the-sand is detrimental to all. And, without at least a strong DH, your future does not bode well. A toxic BM usually means a toxic relationship for the entire family, including initial and blended. None of this is fair, but it tends to be true.
The age of the bios getting a pass on their negative behavior/ all out war over a divorce, that probably happened years ago, needs to end. The focus needs to be on getting everyone to move on and not on rehashing old wounds or using convenient scapegoats, such as SM or step-dad, to blame when things don't go right. Anyway. . . . Best of luck to you and the decisions you need to make!
A Honoring of the Roles Needs to Take Place too
I'm going to add that when it comes to SP'ing and even potential future SP'ing, it is important that early on, the roles are not messed up. A child is a child and to be treated like a child. An adult is an adult. An SO is an SO. And, a married couple is a married couple. Mom and dad are parents. Exes are exes and they are no longer a couple. They made the choice to give the coupling up when they divorced.
Some people actually think it is cute to let kids do things like pick seating for everyone, etc. Once in great, great while, OK. On a regular basis, never OK. This is sending the message to the child that she/he gets to set the rules, and in the case of SP'ing, it can be even more detrimental and is not a minor issue. The example you gave, "She demands adults sit in certain seating arrangements to purposely put herself between me and her father," sends the message loud and clear to SD that it is daddy and her, and then you--or, she is daddy's partner and you are the underling. This is where a lot of this SK vs. SM crap gets started, at this early age, and sometimes even before SM comes along.
Any woman (or man) who comes along later or lets this go on, that child is going to think of them as some sort of competitive equal vs. an adult whose role as dad's SO or wife they need to at least acknowledge and try to respect. There should be no tit for tat. You hear all the time my SM got this, but I didn't, or you'll hear some 30 year-old adult SK complain that SM gets to spend more time with dad than he does. Hello!? SM is dad's wife!! She dang well better be spending more time with him. I know my parents spend countless more hours together with each other than either one does with me.
Or, you get DH saying things like, he doesn't want to be put in the middle. Implying that SM and the SKs need to work it out among themselves, again, like they are some sort of equals. In addition, SM's only backing is her DH, at least initially. Yet, she is supposed to go toe-to-toe with CODs, BM, in-laws, and so on all on her own. DH doesn't want to be put in the middle because it is easier for him to lay his children's angst on you vs. him stepping up to the plate and being a dad's dad to his own children. On the other hand, these children are not yours and you're supposed to be able to handle them!? Whom is really being put in the middle here? SMs and SKs don't need to be in competition. They need to honor the roles. You treat a spouse like a spouse and a child like a child. Everyone should be aware of who dad's spouse is, and it is not his ex-/ BM.
UPDATE
I'm not sure if I'm being petty, but it's getting very frustrating having my SO not step in and make sure his daughter (7) treats people/adults with respect.
We met up with his mother (who was watching his daughter that day) and FSD7 at the movies on Thursday. FSD7 ran up to "Daddyyyyy" and said hi, but ran off and didn't say hi to me after I greeted her. I told SO, "Well, that was rude," and his immediate response was, "She wasn't paying attention." A few mins. later she did come back and say hi to me, but I was already irritated with his immediate excuses.
During the movie, she kept kicking me. I can't help but think that because her dad sat next to me and put his arm around me the whole movie, that she asked Grandma to sit on her lap for attention. The kicking may or may not have been intentional, but when I pointed it out to SO, his immediate response was "She didn't mean to."
I've been on him about making sure she uses her manners. She has a nasty habit of bossing adults around, and he is no exception. Instead of refusing to do what she wants until she says please and thank you, he does what she wants, then yells "Say please," AFTER she gets what she wants.
And finally as we were leaving, my SO was talking to his mom and FSD7 was being really rude and interrupting their conversation. When I pointed this out to SO he immediately said, "She probably didn't realize my mom was even talking to me."
I get that he's probably defensive too because someone is finally pointing out that his daughter is not perfect, which explains the immediate excuses he provides for her behavior. But he also needs to see how counterproductive that is towards improving her behavior, and improving our relationship (both mine and his, and the relationship between me and his daughter).
Some positive things that came out of the night:
- I insisted that me and him show up as a "united front" to his family, including his daughter. I appreciate him showing up with me, and showing his family that I am an important person in his life, and not letting mini wife demand he sit next to her and cuddle with her the whole movie. In the past, I've just met him and his family where we were going, so I'm happy about that.
- SO is starting to see the manipulation his daughter is exhibiting. He is also starting to see how his mother (who watches her every Tuesday and Thursday after school) enables her behavior. The letting her climb all over her the entire movie, reach her dirty hands into everyone's popcorn we were sharing (SO's mom bought the popcorn so we didn't have much say in how it was handled, I just refused to eat it after her hands were all in it, basically playing in it), and it was a sad movie but his daughter started to loudly SOB (embarassingly loud) while looking over at her dad to see if he was paying attention (I was tearing up and he was consoling me for a bit), so grandma grabbed her and did the "Oh honey, you're such a sweet and sensitive girl, let it out sweety," crap.
I'm trying to focus on the positive, but every time I'm around her I want to be around her less and less. Especially since I feel like I'm the only one in the situation who cares that she's rude and bossy. But of course I am, I'm the only one not biologically related to her, and who hasn't known her since birth.
Any tips? I have to be around his family, and they have to know we're a team, so just avoiding all events is not an option. I feel like this time went better than any other time, despite all of the setbacks, but I still want to be around her even LESS afterwards. Maybe there's something I need in this situation that I'm not seeing? I'm at a loss, please help!
Major tip: If FSD is being a PITA and daddy is in the excuse
business, you address the behavioral issues directly with FSD-7. You are an adult, you are an authority figure whether FSD wants to recognize that or not, and if she isn't behaving appropriately towards you or in your presence... you deal with it.
If FDH and FMIL take issue with that... just tell them that neither of them were dealing with it so you did. If they don't like how you deal with it.. they can step up and get it done before you have to.
As both an SD and a blossoming SM you are uniquely
positioned to have a successful blended family relationship. You have experience as an SD that will be useful and valuable in your journey as an SM.
That said, I would like to give you a different perspective on something you said in your OP. You indicated that the Skid should be the priority in this relationship that you have with your FDH. I completely disagree. The uncontested priority for each of you must be each other and the relationship between you. It is that relationship that is at the heart of the blended family and that is THE priority. Children on the other hand are the primary responsibility in the relationship. Priority and responsibility are two very different things.
As equity life partners you and FDH are also equity parents to any children in mix regardless of kid biology. I would not be part of a marriage if this were not a foundational principal of the relationship. Fortunately this is something my bride and I agreed on from early in our relationship and it stood us in good stead while raising SS-25 since we met when he was 15mos old and married the week before he turned 2yo. It worked well for us.
Whether SD-7 likes it or recognizes it or not ... you are an authority figure. If her behaviors are unacceptable then step up and parent. If your FDH doesn't like how you parent and discipline then he can step up and get it done before you have too. If he doesn't step up then he can have your back and bite his tongue until the two of you can discuss it in private.
The same applies to your FMIL. If her behaviors and words are unacceptable then confront her on it. If FDH does not like how you deal with his mother then he can step up and get that done before you have to as well. My bride and my mom are BFFs (which makes my life more challenging let me tell ya) but they also respect each other very much and neither has difficulty having difficult conversations with the other. I have rarely had to inject myself into my brides relationships with my mom or my dad. In fact... my parents like her far better than they like me. *diablo*
I think you are journeying down the right path. Be confident, stand your ground, be assertive, and you and FDH make each other the priority.... and of course communicate. communicate, communicate.
Good luck.
Absolutely, he is realizing
Absolutely, he is realizing that in order to have a positive family life, we must be each others first priorities. I only said that her health and safety are #1, not her happiness, her wants, or even most of her needs, just her health and safety. After that, it's us for sure!
I admire you for recognizing
that there are issues with your SO and his daughter, and for trying to educate yourself about step dynamics. Many women delude themselves during the courting period, and end up miserable later.
First Number One Most Important Thing That No One Told Me: You need to focus less on your SO's individual qualities, and vet the dynamic as a whole. You've already identified several serious points of dysfunction:
Countless divorces can be credited to any one of these criteria.
You, my friend, are up against a stacked deck of Post-divorce dysfunction. Do not marry this man unless you are prepared to accept and be miserable with the existing dynamic.
The only positive I can see is that the child is still young enough to modify her behavior. But that would require everyone involved to embrace change and a shared goal to stop ruining her. And you would be the catalyst for all this upheaval, which would cause resentment and further discord. Basically, unless and until your SO has an epiphany and makes meaningful changes, things will only get worse.