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Do you ever wish DH would just pay the child support and give up any right to go see the stepkids?

Rainbowsandbutterflies's picture

DH paying tons of money every month to Bm and those funds not staying in our home is bad enough but I can live with it. I just wish he would give up visitation and never see those damn kids and BM.

He is going to visitation tomorrow, 2 hour drive one way, and has to take them to chuck e cheese because that's all they want. Meanwhile I stay home and take care of our BS 8 months. We both work tons of hours in the week, I want the weekends for our family, not his kids. Plus I hate the extra money spent on them. I just wish he never saw them.

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HungryEyes's picture

If I had some of the skids I see on this site, I would feel that way for sure. But ours are still young and they are respectful, so no, that would devastate my husband.

Rainbowsandbutterflies's picture

I respect what you are saying. They were young when we were first together and I did everything for them. The last few years have been hell, they are awful. The BM cannot get over DH and every time he goes to get them there is drama and we fight for days. It is hell and would just be better if they lived their own lives with BM and stepdad.

DaizyDuke's picture

Geesh, I saw this coming.... Please tell me that any of us have not secretly wished the skids didn't exist? Let the girl vent for cripes sake.

DaizyDuke's picture

It is... just ignore the Judge Judy's who only seem to like to post when they are passing judgment on others because they are perfect and honestly I have no clue why they are even here other than to troll and cause trouble.

farting_glitter's picture

like who?

askYOURdad's picture

Their kids step mom is probably attractive and nice and has good intentions.... I mean evil and wanting to replace her!

Mercury's picture

I'm crossing my fingers that it's my husband's ex. I wish she could see how people feel about her disgusting opinions

msg1986's picture

I thought this place is a place to vent? It's not like she's telling her Dh, "hey, give up your visitation!!!" wtf.

QueenBeau's picture

I never wished this, but when BM was playing keep away with SD7 (at the time she was like 4) & he got frustrated he said it once. BM had been acting 'nice' again, but then he got served papers saying she was going for sole custody & only supervised visitation with SD for DH because he had 'threatened her'. Needless to say she lost that case & BM got laughed out of the court room - BUT when he first got the papers he was so upset he said he was thinking of just saying w/e, paying his CS & never seeing SD or talking to BM again.

I of course talked him out of it. DH & his family is the only sane influence SD has. So it's worth the struggle to give her a glimpse of a normal life.

Now with boundaries DH doesn't speak to BM hardly ever & she's 100% out of our hair & she got chewed out at court so badly that she never wants to go back. LOL

Rainbowsandbutterflies's picture

Thank you for that. Dh has said the same, that he wishes he could just have abnormal life and family with me and our bs, not have to deal with the past and BM. His guilt drives him to see them but they only want his money and things, not true time with him anyway. I think it would be best to just stop the hell and live separate lives

QueenBeau's picture

Yeah. I mean sometimes it seems that way... but when SD is here for her extended visits it's actually nice. & I know she'll be estatic when DH & I have kids one day. She's a good kid, which keeps me from being too resentful. She has a lot of love to give, she is a part of my family not just DH's ya know? My parents love her, she loves them, she's just a very loving sweet lil girl. I hate she has to live with her crazy BM but that's just how it is.

The thing we did to help was set up rigid boundaries. No texts from BM. Only calls during emergencies. No calls AT ALL to me. DH doesn't tell me their drama. When she gets out of hand he ignores her, walks away, hangs up - whatever he needs to do. We don't mind the CS really because we do believe BM uses it for SD & without it they would be homeless... it's taken out of his check before he gets it so we don't notice it's gone. Plus where he has SD so much, it's not a large amount.

BM lives like 2.5/3 hrs away. DH never drives all the way up to visit. Why cant your DH bring the kids to your home? Maybe that would make you less resentful. Also have a talk with your DH about maybe not telling you about the BM drama? I had to have that talk with DH because it was making me project my negative feelings onto SD who is innocent.

Rainbowsandbutterflies's picture

Thank you. I truly mean no harm, but after all that they have done and the constant drama that BM then has a chance to make, I just wish the visitation never happened. Its pointless when they come to our home for visitation because they won't eat my food, whine the whole time, monopolize all DHs time, are mean to our BS, and I feel angry and sick the whole entire time. All while BM texts the whole time.

askYOURdad's picture

I think there is a big difference between wishing YOU didn't have to see skids and wishing that their parent never had to see them.

If his kids were that disposable to him I would definitely question my position and any bio children's in his life.

MarselleB's picture

I've seen men who weren't bonded with the kids because they were never really with the mother, or one night stands. They have to pay support, but really didn't want the kids. They ended up getting married, stable family...and they were closest to the kids with their spouse. All kinds of situations.

Some men just go through the motions to. Also, how about going with him, and taking your son. Does he bring them home afterwards? The weekends are both of your time, so I would bring that up and make changes. He may just want to go to visitation, and get it over with..who knows. Something we did, at least a few times a month..get a baby sitter for a Fri./Sat. night and just you and he go out.

Instead of feeling awful, be proactive and often simple compromises can make the world of difference.

QueenBeau's picture

I think it's normal for dads to be closer to their kids with their spouse. If you wen't through drama, PASd kids, BM not allowing visitation, court costs, etc & you still only see the kid EOWE & the summer time - of course you won't be as close as kids you see daily. People don't want to admit that, but hell it's just obvious. DH sees SD EOWE & 8 weeks in the summer & a few school breaks. Cool, right? He calls daily, but BM doesn't answer sometimes for the whole 2 weeks he doesn't see SD. Sometimes she answers & won't give SD the phone, just fusses at DH, & sometimes she rushes SD off the phone. BM & DH were never 'together' they were just dumb young adults (19). He never had a 'easy' relationship with SD, it's always been work and arguing just to see or talk to her.

When BM & family court & everyone else won't let you be close to a kid - then you have other kids who you are encouraged to spend time with dialy - how can you not be closer to them? When you constantly fear BM playing 'keep away' with your child, how can you open your hear to that child? Just to have BM have control of when your heart is ripped out? I can't IMAGINE, so I thank God I am not a man or woman in that situation.

Bio-Step-Mom's picture

First - no. I don't. I think it's sad that BM has so much control over when he can see his son and hate that the older kids live so far away. It sucks for him. Also, I would never, ever have kids with DH. I love him but no way in hell would I have had more kids with him.

Second - I despise when people refer to the stepkids as his "first family". He doesn't have an obligation to his "First Family". He has an obligation to his minor children.

QueenBeau's picture

I don't know why people are so judgey on this like nobody else ever wished their skids didn't exist. I think it's a normal emotion to feel. OP didn't say she was going to tell her DH not to see them. She was just stating how she feels.

Rainbowsandbutterflies's picture

I would never tell DH he can't see them. I am just saying that I wish it was different.

Shaman29's picture

I can tell you I've never felt this way, deep down or otherwise.

Skid and I have butted heads but I never wished for her to go completely away.

Rainbowsandbutterflies's picture

What I didn't explain is the back story. The kids only want presents and to be taken out, not to spend time together. They are very mean to our BS every time they are at our home, I am in constant protection mode. BM feeds them junk, I go out of my way to make them home cooked meals which they cry about eating. BM does everything in her power to ruin our relationship and tries to make drama between DH and I. After years of hell, eow is such a dreadful time. Perfect every other day, immediate hell when they are around. It causes DH stress, he spends the whole time disciplining and I believe he dreads it too.

MarselleB's picture

What you said is very normal. And you may be surprised that your husband may feel the same way. He may feel mostly obligated. The bm we had tried to control us, and I was lucky that my husband was on the same page. It really started after we got married and had our own children. It finally ended when she refused us to see him. She thought my husband was going to run right over there since she changed her phone number, lol. Well it backfired on her, we didn't see the kid for a entire year. And in all honesty, it was great because we planned a big rv vacation and the truth was I knew my husband just wished he hadn't made that mistake when he was younger. It only got better, and finally she realized we had long moved on. She wasn't going to be able to use this kid, to continually be in our lives and our kids were so much happier because they didn't want the intrusion either.

MarselleB's picture

Geese sounds like lovely children. Well, no more presents except holidays, and they don't get to be taken out just because they want to. Then see how much they come around...maybe don't make it so pleasant for them. And who is making them have these expectations?? Maybe BM? Or like ours did.."oh they have money". So and so can buy it for you. NOT!

MarselleB's picture

This is a great article that everyone should read, and it's a good forum. Rainbow...no more texts from the bm, and again time to make changes. For sure do not let them be mean to your son, if they are they get to stay in their rooms. There are some good suggestions in this article, in short blended families do not work. A term make up to try and make a dysfunctional situation pass as normal. More and more typical in our society.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&...

Anon2009's picture

If we were talking about adult sks acting like this (and many do) I'd say "no problem." I just think it's different when they are minors.

I also think much blame can be laid at the feet of the court system. Many women just get slaps on the wrists for not letting the dad see the kids. Maybe if the courts actually put these women in jail and/or took away custody the first time they did this, things would be different. The kids need time with their dad. If they had more time with their dad everybody would be a lot better off.

Many of these sks are hormonal, moody teens. So they're already likely going to be pains in the a$$. Many SKs are dealing with PAS and are just angry and hurting.

I definitely don't think the dad should walk away from minor kids. I do think that visits should be conducted outside the home for awhile.

QueenBeau's picture

"I also think much blame can be laid at the feet of the court system"

AMEN to that.

SD7s BM should not have custody of her. BM doesn't have the emotional or financial means to take care of & raise SD7. DH does. Easy math right?

But not really because they don't want to 'move' SD. So unless BM beats her & sets her on fire then DH has no chance of getting custody. Even though he has shown for years he is capable (and willing) & BM is not.

FTMandSM's picture

I have to agree with this too!! Not because of my SD but my SO was beaten by his bio mom, even chained up outside. His Dad and SM took pictures of everything. It took his biomom to get into a car accident from being drunk almost killing SO for his Dad to get custody. Moms always have the upper hand when it comes to court system.

QueenBeau's picture

Yes! & while it isn't so extreme now in most areas, it still should be THIS simple - BM needs welfare & CS to survive & STILL doesn't have a decent home? BM has blocked visitation time with BD? BD doesn't need welfare or CS to surivive? BD wants custody? Do home visits on both homes, interview child - make the change if found necessary.

1989's picture

Hi. I have 2 SDs one is 23 and I love her to death. The other is 21 and I can't stand her. Its soo bad, during our last fight, she actually threatened me with physical violence.....twice. Now that being said, I want my DH to have a relationship with both his daughters. They are his flesh & blood and I want them to be close and I would never suggest otherwise. This doesn't mean that I have to have a relationship with her. Sometimes it's just better to disengage. I love and married my husband, knowing he had 2 daughters and I don't want to come between them!

Mercury's picture

Well....

I didn't read all the posts yet but I saw enough to know I'm going to probably going get slammed for this too. IDGAF though.

Yes. I wish this all the time.

DH worked out a stupid arrangement where he was paying the entire BCSO (because BM thought it wasn't her responsibility to contribute to child support too). Could he have fought it? Yes. Did he? No. He basically paid his ransom for his freedom. The problem was that she still never shut up. He paid the entire BSCO as if she had them full time AND he took 50/50 responsibility, paid extras for school related expenses, and had them at our house 50% off the time.

While this arrangement may have worked while he was trying to kiss her ass during their divorce to keep her from PAS ing the kids, and it may have worked when he was a single guy, it DOES not work for me and I'm the one he chose to hook up with.

After 6 or so months of this arrangement, I demanded he recalculate support based on income and parenting time just like everyone else in our state. Fighting with bm was too much for him so he gave up trying to fix the CS. He went to EOWE during the school year instead.

I'm fine with this. I would be fine if he never brought them to our home ever again. If he is unwilling to make BM take her share of the financial obligations and he is willing to pay her as if she is their full time parent...let her earn that money.

I'm not emotionally engaged in this so it seems that I'm the only one who sees that these kids are nothing but a ratio of time, income, and a few other miscellaneous expenses in the state calculator. It seems like a pretty fair model. They should use it.

QueenBeau's picture

I wish this too. That BM would just disappear. but that would cause so much trauma & hurt for SD as well. -sigh-

lac925's picture

I understand fully where you're coming from! I've felt the exact same way numerous times, as I'm sure my DH has, too - he just never admits it flat out.

It IS hard for us SM's, especially when you throw in skids and BM's who try everything to make our lives miserable Sad Yes, we COULD have decided NOT to marry out SO's once we knew they had kids...but why should we deny OURSELVES the happiness we deserve? Love is not just a checklist, where certain criteria is simply checked off. You can't control who you fall in love with.

If you read my recent blog: http://www.steptalk.org/node/178477 (sorry don't know how to add links), it would only reaffirm your feelings! Skids can be HORRIBLE! And because they're KIDS and we're the ADULTS, we're often made to feel bad for simply being honest about things.

My skids come over, eat all our food (3 bowls of cereal in ONE sitting? Are you kidding me?), trash the house, disrespect us (well mostly SS12), and just see us as people who "get them stuff". Half the time, SS12 complains that he doesn't want to be here - well, that's perfectly fine with me!

Bottom line, a LOT of SM's feel the same way at one point or another. And this IS a place to vent, preferably without judgement. All you can do is ignore the ones who like throwing stones in glass houses!

MarselleB's picture

This made me think of one of friends. His kids used to come over and eat everything in site on the weekends. So she would only make sure to have generic cereal, hotdogs, and hamburgers. Pretty minimum stuff, lol. Then after they left she would do the big grocery shopping fyi. Biggrin

FTMandSM's picture

I think sometimes all parties involved wished it was like this. I mean Sparents, BM's and BD's. It would make life easier to not have to deal with one another and other people's schedules. I have been pushed to my limits and have thought this. I'm sure my SO has thought about it too, but not because of his daughter but because of his crazy ass BM. He told BM one day that he wished he changed his number a long time ago so he wouldn't have to deal with her. To answer your question, yes this thought has crossed my mind but do I really want my SO to not see his daughter, no. I hope that things get a little easier for you. Smile

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

I live this and the grass ain't any greener on this side. I actually wish that BM would up and die and we take in SS, get him into therapy, and live our lives not waiting for the other shoe to drop and wondering when BM might pop up again to terrorize us.

It's also because, and this seems to be horribly selfish, but I want BD to have a sibling... that isn't going to cause me to have to go through pregnancy and birth again. That was horrible. Beyond horrible.

A lovely little family unit sans the BM. That's what I would like. And then we'd all ride into the lovely sunset on rainbow unicorns.

MarselleB's picture

I will say this much, honestly all men should use condoms. That's the bigger problem, they pass everything off to the women, including their own birth control responsibilities.
Apparently my husband was young and dumb, then wasn't even smart enough to get a blood test which is all they had back in the day. Didn't have to pay a lot of support like some here, but still sucked paying for someone's else's kid. Oh and back then I think the woman could put any guy on the birth certificate, and he was the legal father. Pretty messed up, but they couldn't get the child support like they do today. Today if the guy doesn't pay, a warrant goes out and off they go to jail. Times have changed!

Shaman29's picture

I honestly would lose all respect for H if he stopped seeing his child. When he and Uberskank decided to have the skid, he signed up for a lifetime commitment.

If he couldn't keep the commitment to his own flesh and blood, then I would wonder if he could keep a commitment to a wife.

MarselleB's picture

Yeah but there are also many guys who believed the drive by was on birth control...which is dumb I know. So the guy didn't have a plan or commitment for life. They merely wanted to move on, and not be a hostage to the hit and run..and her kid for life.

Shaman29's picture

Any man who has unprotected sex is a moron. }:)

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with anyone on this blog. I was only speaking to my own situation.

MarselleB's picture

I totally agree, but I see it left and right today. Two clients I had, nice looking men dumb as rocks going broke paying 2 women, each had their child. And these are professional men, great jobs, but it's like taxes...the more you make the more they take.

Most men need Condom Courses or something, lol.

Mercury's picture

Ok. We think some pretty terrible things sometimes. I'm generally pretty nice to strangers and I'm damn loyal to friends and family. That is one of my strengths. I still have evil nasty thoughts sometimes.

Case in point (and yes, I'm going to take it THERE }:) ): BM is so dumb that DH is still listed as her beneficiary. Guess what kind of thoughts THAT knowledge conjures up? }:)

Totally joking. I need her to stay alive so that she can deal with the soon to be adult monsters she is trying so hard to create.

Generic's picture

I've read all the comments I've really only seen one judgey type post. Am I missing others? It's not like a barrage of judgy mcjudgersons. Anyway. Why is this question OP asked even controversial? It's quite natural and frankly quite obvious. So, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Shaman29's picture

I believe the problem is that not everyone who comments agrees with the OP. So the assumption is if they disagree, they are judging.

QueenBeau's picture

I don't agree. It's one thing to say "OP, no I never feel that way."

Than to say "OMG how could you feel that way? YOU KNEW when you got married he had kids. IF youd didn't like it, don't do it"

You can state your feelings without telling someone else how to feel.

When the post first started out it was like 2-3 judgey posts at the same time & it seemed to put the OP off. That's why everyone started talking about people judging.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Yup. I think this is a distinction a lot of people are lacking. There's a difference between answering the question that was asked, and putting in your own two cents about what everyone SHOULD feel and if the other person doesn't feel the same way, then they're horrible people.

There is a big difference between thinking about something and acting on it. Sometimes I want to kick my husband in the face. Doesn't mean I do it.

loveandfitness's picture

Yes, i most definitely feel this way for several reasons. Most of us have at least thought about it weather we all admit it or not.

oneoffour's picture

If DH has conflict when dealing with his first wife and his kids with her he should not bring that home to revisit the entire weekend with you. This is unfair. What can you do about her and her kids? NOTHING! This is his drama and he has a 2 hr drive back screaming ACDC/ Metallica/ Poison songs to get it out of his system. His return to your home should be "Good. Glad that is over. I am so glad to be back with you." and not "OMG! I hate the bitch! She nagged me about xy and z and the kids did nothing but whine about a new Phone."

How he deals with his kids is his business and as long as you don't need to hear about it... good. But when he is whining and replaying every single bitchy whiny line form his weekend with his kids... not so good.

He needs to cut it out. I get being supportive but all he wants is to share his misery. Sorry, he can demand better behavior form his kids. HE just chooses not to. He can demand better behavior form his ex, he chooses not to. HE can ignore her. He can tell his kids "Look, I am sorry your mother is unhappy. But she is responsible for being happy not me. So i don't want to hear about it."