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On the topic of aging, aging relatives, and younger Gens expecting to inherit.

Rags's picture

This is way toooooo long btw.  I'll start with my appologies.

DW was late getting home last night.  Not unusual. It is tax season and she works batshit crazy hours from Mid Jan through Mid Apr.

Anyway, she texts last night about an hour later than she usually calls on her way home from the office.  She was sitting in the garage on the phone with her aunt.  I did not hear the garage door open since we are in a cold snap and the heat is cycling on and off periodically.

Aunt hit a major retirement asset milestone yesterday and called DW to share and celebrate since DW is her CPA and named executrix in Aunt's Will.  After a long convo DW advised that the Aunt not share the news with anyone.  Too late, she already shared with her sister, my MIL, so likely every cousin (DW's 3 sib,s and the youngest Aunts 3 kids) will know about it in short order.  DW is a different consideration as she has been integral in retirement planning, investment advisor selection, tax planning, and tax accountant for the Aunt for a very long time.

DW also has several very wealthy elderly clients who are stressing over defending the hill of their assets from overstepping relatives.  As us Boomers,our silent gen parents , and the first year of GenZers who turn 60 this year progress toward distribution of our estates, this will become a massive source of drama, stress,  for those in this wave, not a mention a huge business for the professionals that support these Gens. Investment advisors, CPAs, Attorneys, and mandatory reporters of elder abuse such as med professionals, etc....

We had a long talk last evening as these things tend to trigger some emotional memories and anxiety for DW when they come up.   Then today is the anniversary of the death of DW's Unicorn Cousin.  Other than their PaternalGM, this was the only close relative relationship she had from her deceased BioDad's family.  DW bought her cousin a beautiful bracelet with specific charms on it when cousin was once again Dx'sdwith cancer several years ago.  Cousin passed two years ago. Cousin's DH called on the 1yr anniversary asking if DW would like him to send her the bracelet she had given to her cousin.  Cousin's DH called again today to get the address for him to send the bracelet. He did not send it a year ago due to severe grief he experienced after speaking with my DW. There has always been a creepy thing with cousin's DH and his family regarding my wife.  He and his brothers seem to have the hots for my wife and apparently have since she was in her teens.  DW used to spend much of her summers with BioDad's mother, brother, sister, and the extended family.  Any time she is at a family event and anyone from cousin's DH's family is there, it gets weird. There is a herd of these guys why had the hots for my bride in that town.  Unicorn Cousin's younger sister's (tragically a crack head with multiple now adult kids by multiple baby daddys) first DH was a guy my DW dated in her mid teens in the summers when she was visiting BioDad's family. He knocked up the youngest cousin after DW and I married.  Though I digress.

Combined these two events, grief over the anniversary of the passing of the Unicorn cousin, and the anxiety over the likely drama forthcoming from the assault on Aunt's money from the rest of the family, and adding in tax season stress, aging wealthy clients navigating the defense of their resources, has DW wound pretty tight emotionally.

I have shared many times over my STalker years that DW's BioDad was killed a couple of days before my MIL found out she was pregnant with my DW.  He was in the service so MIL and DW had great VA survivor's benefits. Until MIL remarried when DW was 2mos old.  They never did an adoption due to DW's very significant VA survivors benefits.  When DW had graduated from HS at 17 she started planning to attend University out of state.  MIL attempted to pressure DW to remain in state, attend local universities and finance it via student loans while giving her VA benefits to MIL to help support the family.  DW refused and left for Uni out of state.  MIL lost her own VA survivor's benefits upon her remarriage when DW was 2mos old.

In MILs defense, once DW chose to attend Uni out of state MIL made her follow through and did not allow DW to back out at the last minute.

Over the next several years MIL had several melt downs over DW's evolving life of adventure and accomplishments.  MIL lost her mind after DW and I bought out first house. DW was 20yo.  MIL was all pissed off that DW had her first home far earlier than MIL had hers.  MIL still gets tantrumy over DW's life and financial position.  MIL and DW's sibs are not particularly kind in their comments about their "rich sister" and often side step that she is exceptionally successful in her own right commenting on "sister's rich husband" or their "sister's husbands rich family".  Delusion is strong in all three sides of DW's family. Maternal, BioPaternal, and SPaternal.

Unknw

Anyway, Aunt called, she and DW talked for quite a while reviewing Aunts assets, etc...  Now I fully expect the pressure on Aunt for money will start in short order as ..... loose lips sink ships..... as the saying goes.  The cash payout of Aunts state retirement completed yesterday so now she has unencumbered access to 100% of her assets without penalty.  Before yesterday, she could easily play the "it is all locked up in my pension" card. in response to anyone pressuring her for money.

The only person Aunt is likely to deny "help" for when asked, is my SIL.  DW's youngest sib.  She has ripped Aunt and everyone else off for so much that Aunt is done with her.  She is specifically mentioned in the Will converting what she has stolen over the years into her inheritance unless she has stolen more than an equal share to that of the other 6 nieces and nephews.  If she has stolen more, the estate (my DW as executrix)  will sue her for the delta between what she stole and what would have been her share.

Karma for SIL will come when Aunt's estate is distributed, hopefully not for multiple decades, when she gets nothing and the other 6 cousins all get an equal share of a notable estate.  Hopefully I am in the Will reading with all of the cousins, DW, and the estate lawyer when SIL loses her ever loving crook mind.

Diablo

MIL's historic sensitivities regarding DW's accomplishments, success, comfortable life, homes, cars, trips, etc... will likely crop up again now that her little sister is a notably wealthy/financially secure individual.  DW and the Aunt are very close, and the only two in the entire family who have had successful careers.  The Will splits Aunt's estate into two halves.   One goes to my MIL if she survives the aunt. The other half goes equally to the aunt's 7 nieces and nephews.  If aunt predeceases my MIL, no doubt SIL will start the full court press on her mother about it not being fair that SIL did not get anything. Though it will be read to everyone at the reading of the Will at the estate attorney's office when the time comes.  The Will makes very clear the why of SIL not getting anything else and Aunt is clear that everyone will be present at the reading of her Will.  The intent with that is to keep SIL subdued.

Between my MIL (early 70s and very large), her sister  (Aunt) (late 60s but has had multiple strokes), and my own parents who are very healthy but both in their early 80s, DW and I will be navigating this at some level for the next decade or more.

My preference would be for them all to bounce the last check they write and slide into the curb at the pearly gates with the tires smoking, a blown engine, laughing "What a ride!"  That is my dad's teasing goal.  I like dad's end of life model. I hope he and mom accomplish just that.

Woo Hoo!

My mom and dad have had their estate structured since I was in my mid teens. There has been no change except recently and that only changed transfer of ownership of their home.  Everything else is distributed the same way that was structured 45-ish years ago.

Be wary folks. Toxic entitled greedy people are the shit that they are and they rarely if ever change their leopard stripes.  Protect yourselves and your elder relatives from the thieving trash circling like vultures.  We each know who those people are in our lives and the lives of the people we care about.

I have done a bunch of reading lately over the need of Millenials, GenZ, and Gen-Alpha to receive significant inheritance in order to have secure retirements.  Those same articles put a ton of column inches into reviewing how the remaining Silent Gen, Boomers and GenX are not likely to distribute assets to their progeny until their demise which is causing huge delays in home ownership and financial security  as well as anxiety for the Millennials (GenY), GenZ and beyond.  According to the pundits and "experts" writing the articles, this is large part driven by the unsurety of Silent, Boomer and GenX regarding their assets lasting the lifetimes of those who hold those assets which is delaying distribution and gifting to their progeny.  

The challenge seems to be that GenY, GenZ and beyond are not exhibiting the comprehensive level of work ethic, drive for advancement, and financial security/savings that the preceding Gens have lived.  They value instant gratification, flexible work cultures, extensive vacations, etc.... Yet, they also demonize those who figured out how to be successful in the prior Gens labeling them as greedy, and demanding that those Gens give up their money.

There is some interesting stuff unfolding out there.  The recent decades seemingly have polarized the earners and savers of the elder Gens and those who value other things while demanding that they be given financial security by their predecessors.

Of course most of these articles are written by pundits and pseudo scientists who have a vested interest in legitimizing themselves through the disruption and polarization of societal elements.

As a last year Boomer, these are things that occupy my bored mind.

Be wary. Take care of you.  

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CajunMom's picture

I mentioned this on another post, Rags. We are starting to see some very toxic behaviors getting close to or actually being "elder abuse" moves.

As a blended family, DH and I have covered it all. Wills, Executors, POAs, Medical POAs, Living Wills, paid burial policies, etc. Wills are DETAILED. We do NOT share any of this with DHs kids.  We have one person who KNOWS it all and is an executor. She won't tolerate stupidy, should it happen. Everything has been done through an attorney....no online wills. As a note, while online wills notorized can suffice, they are also the easiest to contest. So, spend the money on a qualified estate attorney. 

If you start to experience toxic behavior from adult SKs that leans to Elder Abuse, start a paper trail and find a safe person to share with...preferably a mandated reporter. They have the knowledge and expertise to know elder abuse moves and are removed from any "emotions" to the situation.

I hope others add their thoughts on this topic and other things they have in place to protect them. I'm looking forward to learning more and seeing if I need to get additonal documents in place. 

Thanks, Rags!

Rags's picture

One I had not considered nor have I ever heard of it before.  It builds documented records and gives plausible deniability when the cry baby elder abusers come crying about being investigated. The abused elder can just shrug and truthfully say that they did not file a complaint but that they have spoken with the investigators who called.

I truly hope that you and Mr CM are not being targeted by abusers.  Financial abuse is a big thing these days in divorce cases and in spousal abuse cases.  No doubt it is also a growing focus in elder abuse investigations.

Our frustration is that no one in my IL clan will file charges against my thieving POS SIL.  "But her poor kids!"  Whaaaa!

Cray 2

Often the kids of these types of people would benefit from seeing their crook financial abusing parents standing in front of the courts. Anyone who would abuse a Sr. citizen is a special kind of contemptible scum bag.  They likely have created their mini me in their children. Sadly.

Take care of you and keep the contemptible zombies at the gates at bay.

Give rose

 

 

 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Some advice on engaging your doctor. Don't bring it up as a "by the way" at the end of a long visit that also deals with any major health issues or multiple health issues. Make it the main focus of the doctor visit. If it's a passing comment at the end of a long visit, the doctor may not take it seriously or even put it in the clinical documentation. If you focus the visit on that and the dr doesn't report it to adult protective services, you could at the very least have your lawyer subpoena the records if you do have to engage in a legal fight in the future. What a doctor will call adult protective services for is *usually* things that directly threaten the patient's life, like physical injury or neglect, or squalid living conditions. They have a lot more leeway with elder abuse than with child abuse. 

Rags's picture

Rumple, I think this is very wise advice.  Keep the discussions with mandatory reporters separate and not just tagging the elder abuse topic onto the end of a discussion. However, I have noticed fairly recently that Doc appointments include a number of non medical related questions. Do you have guns in your home.  Are you being abused. Are you feeling stress or anxiety, etc...  These questions are usually part of the pre exam work up when they weigh you, take your BP, PulseOx, heart rate, etc....

Prepping an answer that hightlights the possibility of elder abuse during the Q&A steps when you are being screened prior to being taken the the exam room may be a good opportunity to be clear and direct in expressing concerns about an abusive family member, etc..  "I/We have a (kid, sib,etc..) who has been coming to our home uninvited and bothering us for money, etc..  We feel afraid when they do this.."

My mom and dad are sharp, physically able, etc... but .... dad has fallen for the gift card scam when he got a text from one of his HS classmates asking for dad to get gift cards and text him the codes so he could get his GK birthday gifts because his wallet was stolen.  It cost dad $200. Dad was mortified that he fell for it.  He has always been exceptionally wary of computer fraud, etc... but a text from someone he trusts, etc... and he never even considered it was a scam.

It is sad that for many people, family is as if not more detestable than random dirt bag digital scam artists.

Nea

IMHO, those family dirtbags are one and done. That crap forfeits them any financial benefit from the resources of an elderly family member.  Complete with a formal ass baring at the reading of the Will.

"And finally, Skippy Dirtbag Jr. who has badgered, cajoled, and tried to rip us and the rest of the family off, for many years, you are detestable scum and you get nothing. Anyone who gives Skippy Dirtbag Jr. a Cent forfeits their inheritance under this Will.  All heirs will be required to sign the instant forfeiture of inheritance agreement that they will not in any way provide money or resources to Skippy Dirtbag Jr. under any circumstance or for any reason.  So let it be signed. So let it be done. Buh-bye Skippy Dirtbag Jr. You are a POS."

Why not have a little bit of fun from the great beyond while recognizing those who we love, who love us, and who are worthy?

Kidding of course. Mostly anyway.

Diablo

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I love it. I'm so over the Skippy Dirtbags of the world! But yeah, if you mention you are afraid of the no-account skids, that would likely cause the Dr. to take action. 

CajunMom's picture

DH and I learned quickly and made sure our finances are locked tight and we have several people in our corner, so to speak. DH has also been very clear with his kids about his money. 

notarelative's picture

DH, when we married, had negative net worth. After 25 years together we have modest net worth together, but while DH's personal net worth is now positive, it is small. 
A few years ago, son in law one day made some remark about DH's life insurance.  DH shut him down by saying he only had enough to bury himself. We've only seen son in law a few times since then. 

We have a prenup that keeps premarital assets separate, wills that reflect the prenup, POAs for health and finances, updated beneficiaries on everything, funeral plans made. Lawyers, we have separate ones, say we are covered.

MorningMia's picture

Be wary folks. Toxic entitled greedy people are the shit that they are and they rarely if ever change their leopard stripes.  Protect yourselves and your elder relatives from the thieving trash circling like vultures.  We each know who those people are in our lives and the lives of the people we care about.

Learned this the hard way from an older boomer sister who actually told our mother that her--the sister's-- retirement "plan" was the money our mother would leave her when she died. My mother gasped. 
Sister was beyond vicious when the estate was settled and she went all out shock and awe when there wasn't as much money as she expected. Sister will likely be losing her house by the end of this year as she has dug her heels in, expecting someone to bail her out financially again (ex husbands did it before). She's a spoiled, entitled, lazy B. 
 

DH and my stuff is all wrapped up tight. We saw an attorney last year.