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Ram's picture

We had our counseling session last night. I took your advice and I mentioned that I was having jealous feelings over the tutor. I told dh that this separation was to much and I felt like I was losing him. I told him I wanted us to work towards living together and being a family again. I told him that I would like to see the stepkids and work on rebuilding my relationship with them and he said no. He said that his living situation is working out better then he hoped. His kids are happy, he is happy and that I am happy. I told him I wasn't happy and that I missed our family. Dh told me that I was unhappy when his kids lived there, that i always complained and was always mad. He said he won't live like that again. He said he loves me and dd but he wants to finish raising his kids in a happy home and not what we had. He offered to have the tutor start meeting him and ss at the library if that would make me more comfortable and he apologized for not realizing how I would feel about a woman being in his home. I thanked him but I told him I think our marriage is over. I don't want to be drug along for 6 yrs till the youngest is 18 and not have a husband. He tried to convince me to take time and reconsider but I just got up and left. I don't think I slept at all last night. Sad He called me a few times but I am radio silent for now. I am thinking of going to see my mom this weekend.

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hereiam's picture

I told him that I would like to see the stepkids and work on rebuilding my relationship with them and he said no. He said that his living situation is working out better then he hoped.

Well, there you have it.

notsobad's picture

I'm thinking that he wants to stay married so that he isn't the guy with 2 divorces, 2 sets of kids from 2 different women.

He doesn't want to go thru another divorce, dealing with CS and custody and visitation and all that that entails.

By staying married but living apart he gets all the perks. Monogamy, regular sex, no other man getting close to his child, and that's not even going into any of the financials.

Ram's picture

He still wants to stay married just not live together because of his kids. I understand what he is upset about. I changed once I got pregnant. I was a hormonal mess. It got worse as I got further along and once dd was born it exploded. I admitted that. I am working on getting better. My husband should stand beside me during this crisis I am having. The counselor even confirmed with dh that all of this started when I got pregnant. Should making a child end our relationship? Shouldn't he love me enough to understand I had some issues and this isn't me?

ntm's picture

Of course his kids are happy-- it's probably one big Disney Dad fest over there.

I hope you are receiving child and spousal support right now. SS can kill all the kittens he wants to. Do you really want to try to attach your star to that mess?

It is a good sign that he is willing to move the tutoring to the library. But I can tell you if a man isn't getting some, he's eventually going to find a place to get it. What you have right now isn't a marriage and it won't be for a very long time. And the skids don't up and disappear at 18. Are those the people you want to spend time with for the rest of your life? Would you have picked them for friends if you knew them outside the marriage?

Snowflake's picture

And she is divorcing him. His obligations to kids from an earlier marriage are of absolutely no more of a concern for her then his kids from any future relationship.

Child support is about he child. She needs to get a well drawn out court order that spells out child support and about the cost of missed days.

a better life's picture

True that, in fact if there incomes are somewhat equal she may owe him child support in a 50/50 situation.

twoviewpoints's picture

From a previous blog

" our paperwork for separation, child support and custody is complete"

It's already been done. Indicates he is paying CS even with their 50/50.

But yes, whatever she gets for CS will not be as much if baby was only child of Dad. Whatever CS obligation he already has for the older children is considered prior to setting CS that OP will receive.

Ram's picture

I get $100 a month in child support. We agreed on that so I keep the diaper bag filled with wipes and butt paste, fever reducer, gas drops ect. That way he always has some on hand for dd.

CANYOUHELP's picture

100.00 a month, please tell me you will not continue to agree or settle for this, if you stay apart.

a better life's picture

who says she won't have to pay him? He has more kids than she does and their child in common is 50/50. I didn't read anything about him being very wealthy to her being low paid. I think this is one of the reasons women get a bad name sometimes. Talk about breaking up and immediately it becomes make sure you soak him good or an assumption the guy won't pay his fair share.

onwednesdayswewearpink's picture

Yeah, I think a hundred is fair to keep the supplies stocked that go back and forth.

hereiam's picture

He still wants to stay married just not live together because of his kids.

Not because of his kids, but because of how you treated his kids and how you acted when they were there.

I changed once I got pregnant. My husband should stand beside me during this crisis I am having.

And if it had just been him, he probably would have but you were taking it out on his kids.

Now that he's living on his own, he realizes that he's happier. He stays at his own place, even when he doesn't have his kids, correct?

Hennypenny's picture

DH doesn't want to go back to a bad situation, and that's a smart move. It's only been a few months- don't pressure him to re-integrate before it's clear to both of you that things will be different. Counseling, used correctly, can help bring about that clarity. The choice isn't between him coming home immediately and waiting six years- for example, if it is the case that all issues stemmed from hormones, it may become evident within the next month or so and DH may have what he needs to reunite. DH is doing the right thing by proceeding cautiously, and you should be following his lead.

uofarkchick's picture

Hon, you got pregnant and had a baby. It changes you forever. Before you held that precious life in your hands, life got to be about you. I know you love your husband and put your marriage first but when it came down to it, you were only responsible for yourself. And now here is this beautiful child that you are responsible for. It isn't just hormones. I know in my case, I changed a lot. I wasn't as fun or carefree as I used to be. I was now responsible for the life of someone else. My priorities changed. My idea of fun changed. Hell, my idea of what constituted an emergency changed. I also felt unconditional love for the first time. I loved my friends, I loved my family, but I REALLY loved my child. Is it possible that you have changed? Maybe the man you chose to share your life with just doesn't fit with the new women you are becoming. Or maybe I'm nuts.

WokeUpABug's picture

Ok I can't tell if you had a really bad episode of postpartum depression (and yes this can include during pregnancy) and made life terrible for him and his kids or your issue with your SS went long before that. I've been reading your blogs, and honestly if I were your DH Id do the same. I wouldn't want to raise my kid in that environment. What you need is counseling just for you in addition to couples counseling.

What I don't understand is why on the weeks your DH doesn't have his kids he doesn't come live with you. Or you with him. That I don't get.

Ram's picture

My dr thinks it is a bad episode of ppd. She advised me against having any more children. I had a bad case with my 14 yr old. When he left I told him he wouldn't be jumping into my bed when he wanted some loving. After a date if I feel like I would like some I invite him over or he invites me. I am not going to support him for 50% of the time allowing him to stay in my home for free.

a better life's picture

you have a 14 year old? does he live with you? I had no idea, thought this was your first child.

a better life's picture

Wow, how is your 14 year old dealing with all this upheaval, does he miss your dh and his step siblings? so you have baby and 14 year old son of your own?

twoviewpoints's picture

She briefly mentioned her son in her first blog. He's why the mother cat and kittens had to be outdoor stray animals and no kittens could be kept by family. Her son is allergic to cats.

a better life's picture

ahh, i do vaguely kinda sorta remember that now. So odd with all the mention of her, baby, dh, skids the older is hardly ever mentioned or where he fits into all this so I was picturing her as a young new mom of 1 with dh being older

a better life's picture

ok, you can take that as some solace to start your new life. It isn't always easy for teens to see their Mom upset and not doing well so even more motivation to keep working on you and get him counseling if he needs it too.

Ram's picture

I don't know. I have a counseling meeting Friday morning. I will talk it out then.

a better life's picture

I think the fact that he will not come live with you during the week he does NOT have his kids is much more telling than his very reasonable answer of not wanting his other kids to have to be around you.

I really hope people will take a warning from your story (and many like it). Sooo many sms come on here talking about how they hate their sks, their partner "doesn't parent" (if the kid does something even remotely foolish or assy like kids will do at times or even for long stages), etc.., Venting is one thing. Saying those things to your spouse creates a hurt and a rift so deep and wide it can often never be healed. It also seems to make most dh's lose their appeal for sm, hence they leave and everyone talks about 'oh great for you he and his kids were such a pos anyways, go on to your great life'.

However it is only then that some sm's wake up and realize they made a mistake. That every relationship they are in will have difficulties, of course they have convinced themselves it was all the other guy so some never learn from it. Even you were like all I'm going to get legally separated and if he doesn't pay attention to me i deserve he will be an x. Well now he is (in reality almost though not yet officially).

I don't think your marriage can be saved (due to the fact he doesn't even want to live with you when his kids are gone). However if it can making demands, storming out of counseling won't help. It just makes him see more of the same nonsense he is escaping. Stay away from your friend that encourages you in wrong thought patterns. Get strong and capable on your own. Your own (healthy) friends, your own interests, mom groups, start or strengthen a retirement plan, redecorate how you love it, get spiritually involved somewhere. You will then have the strength to be a happy strong single mom and in the process if he rekindles his feelings for you then that is icing on the cake!

ldvilen's picture

"make most dh's lose their appeal for sm." You are talking about husband and wife here, and not DH and SM. Just like first time marriages can break up, so can second or third marriages, and it may or may not have anything to do with step-kids. I don't think wives of husbands with children from a previous relationship "make" their husband lose their appeal for them any more or less than wives of first time marriages do.

It just sounds too convenient to say that a marriage broke up because of the SKs. DH and SM are husband and wife, and therefore are to be able to speak with each other about any concern, including parenting, etc. No one would say in the year 2016 that a wife is supposed to keep her mouth shut unless spoken to or speak to her husband only about topics of his choosing (well, except for maybe polygamists). But, some people seem to have no problem insinuating that SM is supposed to cow down or risk divorce.

AND, I find it somewhat odd that even on these pages that SM is rarely referred to as "wife." That is her main role, as her husband's or DH's or dad's wife.

a better life's picture

I think a spouse (let's say a wife/sm) that treats the other spouses (lets say husband/bd) kids poorly, screams they are never to darken the doorstep of where both spouses live again, screams at the kids to not hold the new baby, etc.., very much to contribute and even cause the appeal to be lost. Some may be ok with their wife trashing their kids and still be super 'into' the wife, some but I would't say most.

mommadukes2015's picture

There are a couple things I want you to think about but first I'll start with this:

You have a lot on your plate. You are dealing with depression and you have a newborn. Your living situation was completely turned upside down (regardless of whether or not you over-reacted to the snakes being fed kittens-which I would be concerned about too). You're headed back to work unexpectedly and now there are times when your newborn isn't in your care. All of this is incredibly difficult and it's no wonder you're constantly upset.

But-you need to focus on yourself and your children. You need to plan for the worst (divorce) and hope for the best. Go to bed every night knowing you have done all you can do and focus on pushing it out of your head. You have to try to stop your mind racing, you have to want it to stop. Take a deep breath and think about a few things:

1.) DH doesn't want to reside with you. You are in an extremely fragile state and IMHO you deserve a little consideration too. If he won't do it, then take yourself into consideration. Do you want to stay with DH because it's familiar and all the change has put you in complete upheaval?

2.) Is seeing him like a boyfriend too much for you right now? The knee jerk reaction to the latter question will be -no I'm trying to save my marriage-BUT I want you to seriously search your soul, be honest and think about whether or not this is how you want to spend the next 6 years of your life. If it isn't-let me be the first to tell you-you are going to be okay with him or without him. You have teaching to fall back on, two beautiful kids and all kinds of good things that you can pull energy and drive from. Don't let this situation suck that out of you.

Right now things aren't getting better because your focus is out of whack. You need to focus on yourself and stop tying your mood to him and his reactions to your requests/your feelings. If you don't, you'll tailspin every time you think you might be losing him and you need to know in your heart of hearts that you don't need him, you want him to be with you but you don't need him. You're in fight or flight mode a lot seemingly. Time to count the facts and get yourself grounded.

You can do this.

Ram's picture

Thank you. I can care for myself and i can make it without dh. He is just.....i have never laughed and smiled as much when i am with him. He is the sweetest most generous man. The sex is red hot!!! I just feel like i blew it again. I walked out of counseling and said it was over. He has quit texting. I'm so sad right now. I don't know what to do. How to fix this. I'm going to see if my counselor can see me tomorrow to talk through this. Maybe the meds quit working?

mommadukes2015's picture

More/different medication is not going to fix anything. Medication only works in conjunction with therapy and willingness to do the mental grunt work to change your frame of mind. See, the problem is that you're too pre-occupied with fixing "this" re: your marriage. What you need to focus on is getting yourself to a mentally healthy place. Additionally, the old saying goes "you need to be love yourself before you can expect anyone to love you." You're not loving yourself. You're not focusing on loving yourself and the things that you do have going for you-which are your kids and your ability to support yourself.

I promise, this starts and ends with you. Even if DH comes around to seeing things your way-you won't be happy until you can be happy with yourself. Take this as an opportunity to get to know you-it's not an easy thing to do which makes DH and your situation a perfect distraction from doing so. You need to regain your locus of control. It's not about what happens to you, it's about how you react to it. IMHO the only way that this will ever work is if you take this time to get comfortable and confident with who you are apart from DH.

And if you can't do it for yourself-do it for your kids so they can grow up with a role model that knows her worth, is confident and able to stand mentally on her own two feet regardless of another human being.

CANYOUHELP's picture

Just me, but I did not have a lot of sex when I was dating, regardless of how hot the man was...You are living apart and so would my body be. Let the tutor have him, you will be fine and happier in the end.

Ram's picture

I didn't get in the same school but i got a teaching job close by. I used a lot of my savings though before i started working back. Dh did help pay some of the bills. He isn't a bad guy. We use the same sitter for dd and we each pay for our weeks. Dh and i have it down to 2 dates a week. Mostly weekend and we bring dd with us. He called me often and texted. I am so deflated right now.

twoviewpoints's picture

So text him. Apologize for your rash behavior and reaction to the counseling conversation. Ask him if he is willing to keep trying more sessions. However, if you're not sincere in apology for outburst and leaving session, don't text. You are in no way shape or form to try being a one household family again... your reaction to not hearing what you wanted spoke volumes to why he was correct in not just moving back in. There are three children and a baby to consider. He doesn't intend to subject his children and baby to more uncertainties and outburst.

onwednesdayswewearpink's picture

What about suggesting counseling for you and ss? Then you and the kids? Work on rebuilding the relationship with a professional.

MollyBrown's picture

Hope this is not too personal. Sorry if it is. How did you treat the stepson during your pregnancy and after. You make references for poor treatment. Thinking back. Do you think you could forgive your partner if he did the same to your son? Do you think your husband can trust you again?

I hope for peace for you.

Disneyfan's picture

The man wants to live in a home where all of his kids are welcomed.

He isn't prioritizing one set of kids over the other. Hell, if anything, since both sets of kids are now growing up in separate homes,one could argure that he's ensuring that all of his kids are on an equal footing. Wink