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Need advice ...AGAIN surprise surprise junkie SS at it again

MomandSMofSix's picture

SS20 JUST got his phone back from BM approximately 6 hours ago now (which was THE dumbest thing she may have done to date thus far) and in that time disappeared for over 2 hours ... where did he go?

Well his first response to daddy's texts were "walked to the gas station to get some air and something to eat" ... to which SO responded by driving to said gas station to find no sign of SS. SHOCKER. SO proceeded to text SS to which he got not further replies.

SO decided to text a few of SS's friends, none if which have heard from him, and then J*** ... who happens to be SS's drug dealer (you know, the one who visited him in the hospital and denied all dealings with drugs and OD and SS?) to which he gets a "i have no idea where SS is, u thought he was still in the hospital" response (you know, recovering from the coma and multiple surgeries / permanent damage from his last OD).

2 hours later SS finally shows up fuzzy, blurry eyed and acting the way he does when high. It takes SO 45 mins of yelling and prying to learn that SS had called J*** who picked him up and dissappearEd with him for 2 hours refusing to respond to calls and texts. Of course they didn't get high, "SS swears!" Of course I call bullshit and I've had enough. I DEMAND to have a phone conversation (as I am over an hour away with my 3 children currently) and after fighting me on it for over an hour SO gas agreed to allow me to speak to SS.

I have PLENTY to say to this kid, however his current excuse is that (despite having dealt with alcoholics and addicts my ENTIRE life) because I am not an addict I have no idea what he's going through.

So advice I need is what to respond. Something that will sink in and that I'm not just saying in the moment out of anger... something that will hot home with not only him, but SO, because at this point, he needs to hear it as much as SS.

Im talking to him in about 20

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robin333's picture

I don't think anything you say to him us going to hit home. As long as he is enabled and hasn't hit rock bottom, nothing will change him.

I would start again with DH when you get home about how he is helping SS kill himself.

MomandSMofSix's picture

I've already made that a "no exceptions" rule in our home since back in February. Not my kid, not my problem. That may sound harsh, but having dealt with this stuff my entire life, I am an adult and can choose the people in/who affect my life at this point.

And I 100% choose to not have people like him in MY children's lives to break their hearts. .. I wish I could choose for SS13 and SD12 ... even though they get on my nerves 9 times out of 10, they don't deserve to be subjected to this lifestyle or this kind of pain.

...it leaves permanent scars

MomandSMofSix's picture

It IS heroin ... and I continue to tell SO that SS WILL die if he does not come/get clean ...

I can't stop him enablers (family) I try and try and I'm just always the bad guy ...
Including with SO Cray 2

MomandSMofSix's picture

I gave him the ultimatum... he promised to let him go with his next drug use ... but listening to him tonight, my biggest fears were confirmed. .. he's not ready to follow through. I will have the "I'm leaving you unless you choose to fix this" conversation. My children don't deserve this life and I have ZERO intention of putting them through that

furkidsforme's picture

Why even bother talking to the kid? He's a junkie and he's not ready to be clean. You're spitting in the wind.

MomandSMofSix's picture

My hope is not to control or isolate my SO from his family, but to SAVE him the heartache of the death of a child from addiction. Why WOULDN'T I offer ultimatums and my opinions if i have experience and he does not!?

My ultimate goal is to save SS from dying

Wifeypoo's picture

I agree with Sue.
This kid is a mess. As horrible as this sounds chances are he may not live long enough to even make it your SO's party. What you don't want is for your husband to give his son any ultimatums to keep the peace with you, because in the event he dies, your SO may blame you for pressuring him regarding his son. If your SO decides to stop contact with your SS, it needs to be his decision that he arrives at on his own. I don't blame you for wanting to protect yourself and your other children from SS's lifestyle. I would feel the exact same way. However your SO needs to hit bottom on his own as far as his son goes before he gives up. I realize this affects your life and it's not easy to stand by and do nothing, but as long as SS stays away from your family, there's not much else to do but wait it out and continue to be there for your own littles ones and the other skids. They need you to be there as a safe harbor during this storm.

MomandSMofSix's picture

... so then SO calls and says over and over again how junkie SS20 says I "don't understand what he's going through because I'm not an addict" (specifically me) prompting SOto say "unless there is something about you I should know"

HOW F***ING DARE YOU!
He literally just accused me based on JUNKIE SS20's defense that u don't know anything about it unless I've been an addict!!!

Wifeypoo's picture

I met my DH at a AA meeting. I know he understands the dynamics of addiction inside and out. However, when it came to his older brother he seemed clueless. His brother was a practicing alcoholic and addict who never seemed to be able to get clean and sober no matter what. He called us often, asking if we could pay his rent, which we did. What seemed to be so clear to me, was lost on my DH. For example, his brother at 55 years old did not have a car. My husband thought if he helped him to get a vehicle, it would help him find employment. I saw it 100% differently. In my eyes he brother didn't have a car because he really didn't want the responsibility of car ownership. Why pay for car insurance and gas himself when others were willing to drive him around. I told my husband about what I thought about the subject, and warned him it was a bad idea. Nonetheless he found his brother a car. Not long after his brother got pulled over for drunk driving and as expected, he had no car insurance. The car was impounded and he got arrested. The car sat in the impound lot in the fees added up. We had to pay someone to go get it out since we lived in another state from his brother. I liked his brother but there was no way I wanted him to move in with us and I told my DH this several times. I think intellectually my husband agreed with me that it was a bad idea, but, he still had fantasies about Mike coming to live with us. He loved his big brother very much and thought we could shower him with love and all his demons would melt away. He was a great guy....when he was sober. Sometimes I wished I was the type who could give someone like that a chance, but I just couldn't open our lives to his chaos and dysfunction. DH and I had worked so hard to keep all that kind of stuff out of our lives, and I had my kids to worry about. Not long after the DWI Mike got really sick and a neighbor called 911. His stomach was bloated and he had to have a bunch of fluid removed. My husband talked about flying out to Washington State to be with him. While I didn't tell him he couldn't go, I didnt encourage it either. He called from the hospital a few times and spoke to my husband. He seemed in good spirits and we assumed he'd be out soon. All I could think of was how was this going to effect us, since he most likely would need someone to care for him awhile. That night Mike got out of bed and fell and hit his head. The next day he had three heart attacks and we received a call from DH's niece saying his heart stopped and the doctors were pounding on his chest violently, in a effort to resuscitate him. They broke his ribs even but it was no use, he died. DH was devastated and to this day I feel guilt over not encouraging my husband to go out there and do whatever he had to do to help. I wish I had released my husband to make his own decisions about his brother, short of bringing him to live with us. (I stand by that decision) My hope is that you or anyone else don't have to live with that kind guilt and regret.
Take care and I really hope your SS can be put in a residential program to deal with his heroin addiction.

MomandSMofSix's picture

Okay seriously thank you! because I've been trying to explain exactly this for the last hour and SO is still disagreeing with me and assuming I'm some ass trying to make SS20 out to be the bad guy.... I wish I had a group of you al behind/backing me in real life

notasm3's picture

I grew up with addicts (not my parents). I do not give a shit what happens to an addict that chooses not to get help.

Yes it's a disease - but it's a disease that has treatment. When one refuses the treatment I do not care if that person drops dead or not.

Merry's picture

I'm with tog. There is nothing you can do to save SS. He has to do that himself. You might have some hope of getting DH to see how he is enabling SS. Will he go to meetings? Talk to a counselor about addiction?

All you can do is set your own boundaries and protect your own children.