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manicmom's picture

DH and I have been together for two years, and while my SD15 and SD12 have been difficult since we met, I've remained hopeful and optomistic that I could help and do some good for them since thier BM abandoned them and they really need a mother figure. For the first time though, I have become discouraged. A lot of it has to do with their total lack of care and my DH's total disregard for the rules we agreed to together. My BS12 and BD16 are totally fed with the the SDs' behavior too. My DH gets upset with me when I am bothered by their behavior, b/c his opinion is that I need to just relax and not take it so personally. Are you kidding me?? It is personal b/c I'm the one who gets disrespected and disregarded. And the cherry on that cake?? He deploys frequently...so I have to deal with the bad girls when he is away. The oldest has fought with me and run away while he was gone, it's always a battle to get them to be decent and respectful, and it's just a hell of a way to have to live - but I've still been hopeful. I don't always look forward to going home after work, but I've been hopeful. Yesterday though, after having to hold dinner b/c DH decided that SD12 really needed to go to the store for a craft item, and stayed gone with her until after 8:30pm. And then informed me that SD15 was going to need him to run her somewhere (we had agreed she wouldn't go) tomorrow evening. I am just tired of him placating them and having a total inability to prioritize! And then when they thumb their noses at the rules, he doesn't say anything - and gets MAD at me when I do. Mind you, these are rules that we agreed to together! Rules that my kids are held to! Decent, normal rules...bed times, chores, getting up on time... I even caught him doing SD12's chores for her this morning! While at the same time he complains that my BD16 doesn't have enough chores. Really - that's a whole other story though...

I believe there is a solution somewhere in between totally disengaging and totally flipping out - because neither are real solutions. There HAS to be a solution. Does he not care that his girls are going to just continue to be needy self-involved brats for the rest of their lives if he doesn't stop standing in the way? He says he cares, but his actions say he doesn't.

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StepX2's picture

Start with telling DH that until he enforces the rules, you will no longer be watching them when he is deployed. Explain just as you have in your blog...everything you wrote is very clear and level headed and you really do care about your SDs (stress this part) and that is why you want the two of you to stand TOGETHER on the rules for all your kids.

Auteur's picture

Time to ride the disengagement express. One of the BIG signs of guilty daddyism and subsequent juvenile delinquents is for him to say to you "Relax you worry too much!" when you bring up legitimate concerns.

Here is a list of symptoms which might not apply to you if you have full custody, but you get the drift:

1. Does your man say "I don't want to discipline them when they're with me; I get them for such a short time. . .I just want them to have a good time and relax."

2. Are his children failing in school?

3. Are they WAAAAAY behind academically (functioning at 2-5 grade levels BELOW their actual grade)?

4. Does your man just wave off academic failure, excusing it with "they're late bloomers" etc?

5. Does your man pay little to no attention to grades/teacher conferences saying that the BM will handle it or expect you to handle it?

6. Does your man, when presented with inappropriate behaviour on behalf of his children say things like "they'll grow out of it" "it's just a stage" "you just don't like my children" "it doesn't matter how they're parented; they'll turn out the way they turn out?"

7. If you have biochildren of your own, does your man use them as scapegoats for bad behaviour by his own children?

8. Is there a "double standard" with two sets of rules, one set of "no rules" for his children and one set of "very strict rules" for yours?

9. Does your man get inappropriately defensive when bad behaviour is brought up regarding his children? Does he say things like "why can't you say anything GOOD about MY children?"

10. On the extremely rare ocassion when he DOES discipline, usually after something so major that cannot be swept under the rug happens, does the punishment NOT fit the crime? (i.e. no Wii for a night after said child has violently assaulted another child)

manicmom's picture

StepX2, I have tried talking to him. It takes a lot of courage b/c he jumps immediately to defensive mode and gets mad mad mad at me. He is so protective of them and of himself, that even a hit of me saying he's doing something wrong or going agains his girls just really sets him off to instant anger. I go to him as easy and non-assertive as possible and it still becomes a fight where the end result is that I need to do some changing. And if there is change in him, it's short-lived. He swares that he doesn't want them to turn out like their mom or like his sister (selfish and lazy), but his coddling has them headed right down that very same road...step for step. I do care about the girls, but they could care less about me. I've even heard them say so in conversations they didn't know I could hear (I was on the couch and they were at the dinner table - they thought far enough away I guess), and by the way they treat me when he isn't around.

Not watching them is not an option though, so it's not a threat I could make. It is part of what I agreed to when we got married. And his family is far away. DH and I and the 4 kids share a home, so they have nowhere else to go when he deploys. I just wish that I did!!! Wink

Arteur, yeah, having full custody makes this a little different, but I would agree with #s 2, 7, 8, 9, and 10 from your list. And I'm pretty sure he's aware of it too. He is a good and attentive dad about most stuff, it's that he's too attentive and doesn't distinguish between needs and wants... I mean does SD15 really NEED him to hand her a napkin when she's closer than he is? Does SD13 really NEED craft supplies late on a school night? Do either of them NEED him to wake them up when they have three alarms each? These are just small examples...but you get my point. The reason I say I can't fully disengage is that it does impact me and my kids on a daily basis - every day. And when he deploys, it REALLY impacts us. So I have to find a solution.

Auteur's picture

If you have no kids in common, then I would suggest planning your exit plan. Most of these roving men with children are simply not ready for an adult relationship.

They'd rather their children be the surrogate spouse by assigning them "adult spousal status"

It's easier with the demanding, PASinator BMs that way. The SM comes last on the list. . .actually doesn't even make the list.

Most of these roving men with children are looking for:

1. free nanny service
2. free maid service
3. financial support for their spawn
4. in some cases free food, clothing, shelter
5. a "regular" sex partner
6. free organization/administrative/secretarial/legal

the list goes on and on. . .
and not giving anything in return, making YOU feel that YOU are lucky to have them and their baggage.

manicmom's picture

My DH isn't a roving man and wasn't looking for a built in sitter or anything like that, but it was part of the package...err...the baggage...that came with him. I have baggage too. And I made a commitment to this man, and by proxy, his kids. There is no "exit" from a marraige IMHO. I'm here to work through this, just like any other difficulty we may face in life as we go through it together. No marriage is without obstacles. So sincerely, I'm seeking a solution.

DTZYBLND, thank you. I had no idea how difficult this would be with him deploying. I wish that I could trade places with him much of the time. And I also struggle with the balance between being overbearing and a doormat, and find it difficult, especially with my DH, to find that balance. Even this morning another issue arose. I had praised one SD16 for being up and ready on time and being responsible and looking cute in her shirt - which I do in front of him to be sure he knows I'm fair and kind to his girls. And then the other one, SD12, came in the kitchen late and was handing her dad papers that she should have given him two days ago, and I fussed at her for not getting to the bus stop on time. No big deal at all - she wasn't abiding by house rules we've been discussing and I didn't yell, just a "reminder" tone. Well, as soon as she walked out to the bus stop, I asked him if he was going to use a lunch bag today. One was sitting on the counter and I was offering to put it away for him if he wasn't going to use it. He snapped back at me in a rude tone that yes, he was going to use it and that I had asked him the same thing last night. Sorta shocked at the reply, but I guess expecting it b/c how dare I expect his girls to do what they should do...I just looked at him in amazement. I let him know that I was just asking so I could be kind and if I'd remembered asking him last night then I wouldn't have asked again. And, not wanting to fight over something silly (when it was obvious the real issue was that I corrected SD12 even though he wouldn't admit to that) I went and sat on the sofa with my back to him while he finished getting ready...the whole time, trying not to cry and let him know he'd gotten to me.

I guess my problem is that I don't know how to demand respect. How do I draw the line? How do I know where to put that line? And how to be brave enough to defend that line - and not fear his anger for me having a line?

Auteur's picture

Sounds like you're in a bit of denial:

A lot of it has to do with their total lack of care and my DH's total disregard for the rules we agreed to together.

You've been with your man for two years now? That is just the HONEYMOON period!!

Believe me, if your situation "escalates" and it most likely will unless biodad has some sort of ephiphany, you'll quickly change your views on "exit plans" "skids by proxy" etc.

Zoie's picture

No one can demand respect but in order to get it you have to give it.....

Listen the bottom line is he is overprotective of his girls because they had no mom. Now you are in the picture and that is great that you want to be there for his girls....but did the two of you discuss how this was going to be handled prior to getting married????

If you fear his anger then that's a whole other issue...I mean really if you are afraid of him then you have no option but to take the door. If you are simply afraid of confrontation then that's different, and you need to stand up and tell him what your expectations are and dont waiver...

I think you need to figure out who this man really is and if he wants you to parent his kids...

all the best... Z

manicmom's picture

I am very resepectful of him Z. And yes, he is over protective of the SD's b/c of their mom and we did talk about how things should work before we got married. I guess reality is harder than theory for him though. It works just like we discussed when it comes to my kids though, and all is sorta okay there. SD's are the only thing we fight about - the only thing.

What I'm afraid of is his reaction to me bringing an issue to him. He gets very cruel and hurtful and insulting if he feels I'm even insinuating that he's doing something wrong or that it shoud/could be done better. When I do take things to him, I try to frame it as an issue of mine that I need his help with. Or sometimes I ask him questions about the end result of his actions that makes him think...and then he feels that anything that HE decides to do as a result is HIS idea. But I'm not always successful so it takes a lot of courage to mention things to him. I've talked to him about this too, but he doesn't seem to care. It's his way of being in control I guess. But if I could take small things to him it would be better - but now, I avoid the small things b/c of the stress and it's usually something major before I ever speak up.

The situation with the SD's also seems to get worse closer to the beginning of a deployment. He feels guilty for leaving them so he completely bends to all of their whims and wants, and they know this and fully take advantage of it. They become the worst little manipulators and I get edged out almost completely.

Zoie's picture

You seem like such a nice person, very thoughtful, very kind and very very aware of other people's feelings...but you are getting the shit end of the stick and that's not fair.

You say the only thing you fight about are his girls, but really it's more than that. He is very thoughtless with your feelings and that's not right. He needs to treat you the way he seems to treat his girls..I mean come on you should be his main girl and not an afterthought.

You know the greatest gift we can give someone is our heart and they should handle that with great care....

I'm sorry that life is so tough for you right now..and there is no doubt that reality is much harder than theory... but you husband needs to check his temper and his macho behaviour at the door and start acting like a husband, father and partner in your life...it's the only way to have some peace...

Z

Milomom's picture

Hi manicmom,

Welcome to StepTalk! You've found a great place to get & give advice and support for all issues "Step" related and otherwise. I hope you find it as resourceful (and sometimes sanity-saving) as I do and as many others do as well.

So I read your blog and although this is the only limited info. I have to go on, I have to agree with some of the others above - ESPECIALLY about the obvious disrespect you are getting from not only your skids but from your DH, too!! Please understand that many of the members here are posting responses that are intended to HELP you, not to berate you or insult you. Problem is, sometimes it hurts to hear the "truth" about our situations, so we get defensive and feel we are under "attack". That's not at ALL the intent of the members that have responded to your post.

IMO, I think the #1 problem for you is your obvious FEAR of your DH!!! That's NOT a healthy relationship you are describing AT ALL! He gets angry at you, yells at you, is sarcastic with you, doesn't respect you and belittles you when you DO feel comfortable going to him to discuss problems. You've been with him 2 years - that, my dear, is the "honeymoon stage" of ANY relationship/marriage. You have admitted in your OWN WORDS that he is abusive to you (not necessarily physically, but certainly verbally) - even when you KNOW that you are being patient and have only GOOD intentions and are just trying to HELP the situation. The fact that your skids' BM abandoned them is YOUR FAULT how??? Just because she abandoned them, doesn't mean that your DH has the right to make the "new" woman in his life an instant free babysitter or verbal punching bag!! He should be KISSING YOUR ASS and, at the VERY LEAST, THANKING YOU for what you are doing and being RESPECTFUL to you!! It is a difficult and noble thing that you are doing - trying your best to care for and love and take care of kids that simply put, ARE NOT YOUR CHILDREN!!!

Dtzyblnd hit the proverbial nail on the head with her advice to you - she is SPOT ON and I agree with her 100%! You have started down that slippery-slope of that road to DOORMAT STATUS with your DH! You are allowing him to CONTROL you - with his words, with his ANGER, with his GUILT TRIPS, etc... You state that when you try to talk to him, he JUMPS AT YOU (not literally or physically, but we know what you mean) and gets defensive...and all you are doing is attempting to TALK to him, to DISCUSS the issues!!! Can you imagine what his actions would ESCALATE to if he were actually put in a DIFFICULT situation?!? I don't know, such as if one of HIS kids gets seriously injured or ends up going to JAIL somehow while he's deployed and they are supposed to be "under YOUR watch"??? He will not only automatically ASSUME the situation is YOUR FAULT and you will take 100% BLAME, but even worse, maybe his abuse will ESCALATE into physical abuse and his nasty words will go a step further.

Milomom's mantra: You will only be treated the way you ALLOW yourself to be treated!!!!!
(lather, rinse and repeat)

Not trying to be offensive AT ALL here, manicmom - and if you feel that I am, I'm sorry and you can choose to simply IGNORE my reply.

However, if you are interested in a solution as you say you are, I think that the FIRST step for you is to figure out WHY you are AFRAID of your own DH?!? The guy that is supposed to love you and protect you and defend you NO MATTER WHAT! Also, figure out WHY you are actually putting up with his verbal abuse and total disrespect of you - WHY are you ALLOWING it? If it is low self-esteem, then you need to begin working on THAT so you can change YOUR REACTION to DH.

Marriage vows, IMHO, are forever. But if my FDH were EVER to treat ME the way you allow yours to treat you (especially in only the first 2 years?!?!), the LAST thing I would do is allow him to think he can just POUND AWAY at me and get away with it because "we're married" and I won't leave. Yeah, ok. I don't think so.

Take care of YOURSELF first. Your DH has a lot of changing to do. You have to STAND UP for yourself and DEMAND RESPECT at this point! Otherwise, I see this totally spiraling out of control in your situation. You are still in the "early" stages where this can be salvaged...but if you let it go 2, 5 or 10 more years...NOT GOOD.

The other VERY IMPORTANT lesson I've learned from being a StepTalk member is this: the more/most successful stepfamilies (or blended families, whatever you'd like to call it when you BOTH bring kids from previous relationships to the marriage) are the ones where the ADULTS ARE EQUITY PARTNERS in the marriage! They are a UNITED FRONT! Conversations are had with all the kids (no matter WHAT age), rules, regulations and boundaries are established, things are "tweaked" a little as necessary, and they are UNITED IN CREATING A STABLE HOME using these rules, regs and boundaries. KWIM???

You will NEVER have a stable home NOR have happiness for yourself or your kids if your DH is not presenting a UNITED FRONT in front of his kids.

Good luck, manicmom, I hope this helps!!!

manicmom's picture

Thank you again Z. I totally agree with you, but do you have any advice on HOW to help him see these things? Putting my foot down doesn't work with him. Making demands doesn't work either. And I don't believe that making threats is healthy, so that's not an option. Appealing to him and helping him see positive outcomes works well, and asking him questions works well. Pointing out how he's hurting me sometimes works too. Maybe I'll try this?

Zoie's picture

You are very welcome.... and well..I'm thinking you should speak with a professional and they can guide you as to how you should deal with this. Sometimes we need to do this in order to get through difficult times..

I really would speak to a professional and read some books on stepparenting...

gosh we have a tough job as stepparents...wow...

StepX2's picture

Please keep Milomom's mantra in mind:

You will only be treated the way you ALLOW yourself to be treated!!!!!

I had a response all typed out but then saw Milomom's response and she worded perfectly what I was going to say (and in a much more kind and caring way).

I wish you the best Manicmom and please keep us up to date.

manicmom's picture

Just so ya know, I really honestly took in all that everyone had to say to me yesterday, and know that if you take the time to reply, then I should take the time to read and heed the advice...and I did. I'm not one to get offended with the truth. It may hurt, but if it's the truth it's helpful in the end.

Last night, I had a myriad of things to talk to DH about...issues with the kids, boundries, deployments, etc...etc...etc...but I took time to figure out what the root issue was, and after reading the replies and doing some soul-searching; it's the fear. And trying to figure out why it's there.

Well, it took me until after 8pm last night to get up the nerve, but we had been running errands and doing some stuff around the house, and he'd asked me several times (as he had over the past few days) what was wrong and I just didn't reply. So about 8:30, we had been working on planting a garden and it was a cool clear night, and I sat down on a chair in a little sitting area in the garden and we were smelling some herbs (yeah, it was a pretty nice night!) and I just blerted it out... "I'm afraid of you" He didn't react. He just stood there and looked at me - blank. So I went on to say, "I'm your wife and I should be afraid of you. It feels like you try to intimidate me with your responses when I say things you don't want to hear or don't agree with. It's not healthy. I used to be able to talk to you without fear, or at least just ignore your anger, but it's gotten to a point where I don't feel I can talk to you about any issues at all any more. Do you want me to fear you?" He replied "No" in an even tone and that was the only response I got out of him. He said he wanted to go in and get changed so we could go to the gym. We went to the gym and he just chatted about the normal stuff - work, plans, blah, blah, blah...I though he was just digesting what I'd said and he would say something later. So after the gym, while we were making the kids' lunches, and while we watched "Justified" on tv...nothing, just chatter. I thought he'd say something while we were getting ready for bed...nothing. Maybe before we go to sleep...nothing. During this time, he held my hand, he put his arm around me, he put his head on my shoulder, and he held me while we fell asleep - all was very normal. I just don't really honestly know what to do. Sometimes, when we chat, he doesn't respond until later - until his words are together with his thoughts - and that's okay with me b/c I don't want an off the cuff response...but later has to come! And other times, he just takes action on what I've mentioned to him and proves that he heard my request...so maybe that's what will happen this time?? Time will tell I guess. Because we do have a lot of daily things that we need to deal with...together! Like the skids and attitudes and his coddling and permissiveness - and we have to do it sooner rather than later so we have time to work on things before he deploys. I'll give it till tonight after all the kids are in bed, and then I'll bring it up again.

But truly, from the bottom of my heart - thank you all for your responses and encouragement and support yesterday. Smile

Zoie's picture

Wow...good for you.. I'm so very glad that you told him... You will never know what he is thinking until he starts reacting or speaking, but nevertheless you said your peace. He will not let this be, from what you've written he seems to be a good man and you seem to have alot in common but he is frustrated and doesn't seem to know how to handle it. My DH is like that, he barks and gets mad and blah blah blah..but in the end he loves me and I love him and we work things out. I am not afraid of him though..and that's what worried me with you.....but you told him and like you said only time will tell...
please keep up posted and I wish you nothing but happiness and peace.... Z Smile

manicmom's picture

Thank you Z!! Smile
This morning, he's said nothing...and so far today...nothing. It's just odd. All is kind and such, but don't know if it's the calm before the storm, or the darkness before the dawn?? Either way, there are some bigger symptoms of this core problem that we really have to work on, so this has gotta get fixed b/c the other things are really impacting our family in a negative way.

This site and all of the encouragement and support have helped tremedously though, so I'll post more as things happen.

We are planning a trip for spring break now, so that's taking some of my time...and then there's work...

Thanks again Z