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O.D.D. or make-believe?

ej'scrazy's picture

Do you believe that this is real? What are the signs/symptoms?

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ej'scrazy's picture

Oppositional defiant disorder. . .we were having a discussion about it tonight, and I'd like to hear unbiased opinions (since I have my own completely biased opinion. )

Teas83's picture

My mom is a teacher and I would see kids in her class who supposedly had ODD. It didn't exist when I was a kid.

ej'scrazy's picture

This is what has me concerned; the kid in question is a pain, but it seems it's selective. Which makes me wonder if it's for real, since it only happens on the other parent's time. Not with us, and not at school. I think it has to do with structure in that home, but I'm just the evil judgmental stepmom.

mrs.g's picture

Personally i just think its a fancy name for "i dont listen because im a defiant little brat" lol but thats just my uneducated opinion Smile

HadEnoughx5's picture

I used to think my SD15 had ODD but my opinion changed when I could see her behave everywhere else except with DH and I. What she was doing was listening to her NPD BM and let her be PAS'd from DH.

So I agree with your uneducated guess in my situation!

just.his.wife's picture

I have an extended family member that has three young sons.

Each of the boys is diagnosed with ODD, ADD or ADHD, And a host of other "disorders". The docs ought to just save time and ink and diagnose them with Alphabet soup. All three are medicated to within an inch of their life.

For these three boys: their primary issue is "Lack-of-parenting-itis".

(DISCLAIMER: I have seen kids that have ADHD, who literally WANT to watch a movie and can't sit still/concentrate long enough to do so. I have also witnessed other children who DO display all the charactoristics described in medical journals. I am not saying these conditions do not exist in other children)

These three boys lack parenting. They are simply CHOOSING to be assholes to parents, grandparents, teachers, neighbors etc.They are responding to the chaos in their life and surroundings and acting out because they can and that there are no repercussions coming that they care about.

Now put the same three boys in MY house, for an entire summer, with no meds in sight. My home where they know the adults are in charge and IF they step out of line their butts will be far more sore than my hand and WHAM! Near perfect angels. Please and thank you, sharing of any toy/item. Asking if they can help with (insert chore here).

I have never laid a hand on the kids. The "Mommy look" is more than enough to keep them in line. It seems the thought of 'knowing' I have no issue with tearing an ass up if needed is far more than enough to keep these kids in line. Apparently their biggest fear is "If I am not good, I can't come back".

Currency: So far theirs seems to be the ability to come to my house, get away from the insanity that is their normal life and get to just be kids.

Not going to lie, they are rough and tumble boys who love to wrestle and fight with each other. But the in your face "FUCK YOU!!!" that they give their parents and other adults in their lives, does not get packed in their bags and come with them when they visit me.

If any of them had a true disorder, they would not be able to maintain their behavior for three solid months, without meds, and lots of social stimulation.

Some kids DO have a problem.
Some kids get diagnosed because the parents have a problem.

Starla's picture

Its real IMHO. One of my brothers was diagnosed with it, we also believe that my dad has it too. These guys fought authority figure like no tomorrow. Being I'm the youngest my brother explained his thoughts to me when I did ask him why he acted out the way he did. My brother was kicked out of several different schools due to his extreme ways in him not having anyone telling him what to do.

My Grandma was the only adult that my brother did not fight. My mom one summer had a reward chart system going on and my brother was able to earn a plane ticket to visit Grandma for 2 weeks and it did wonders for my brother. He felt that sense of control which I think is what they struggle with, that and anger issues.

ItHasGottenBetter's picture

I regularly read on an ODD Conduct Disorder forum.

According to experts, ODD is a catch all RX when they haven't pinpointed the exact RX.

My YSS was diagnosed ADHD, Impulse Control and I found the ODD symptoms and he hit all 9 of them. I also think it could be RAD instead of ODD.

YSS would flip like a light switch from cooperative, funny kid to raging kid in a second. He would start by throwing anything in his hand or destroying anything he could get his hands on. He would purposely damage expensive items or items that were special to someone else...like he was targeting the one thing that would hurt another person. I have seen DSO trying to restrain a 13yo, 5.5ft, barely 100lb kid by laying on him bc the child had so much strength in a rage.

The treatment center YSS is in thinks he was abused in some form...sexual, physical or mental by OSS. I believe it and have thought it for years bc OSS has a high creep factor.

PM me if you want to talk more about this or I can give you the link to the other forum.