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Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

Well that didn't last. BM's most recent guy was someone she knew less than a month before she and the kids moved in with. That was after two other guys whom she met and introduced to the kids only to break up with in less than a month each. Well they moved into a bigger place and she made such a big deal about just how happy everyone was.

Yeah apparently not enough for him to even say bye. She apparently came home the other day to find him and his stuff gone. She of course is upset and doesn't know what to tell the kids.

I'm more worried about where are they going home to at the end of summer. It's not fair to them.

This was the 3rd guy in less than a year. It was the 3rd move in the same time. I'm not sure if she can afford to stay in the same place unless she hooks up with someone else super quick and SO expressed the same worry when I talked to him.

It's not only not fair but it also impacts their behavior of course. Daughter already shows so much anxiety and son displays alot of aggression.

SO request she start taking them to see someone but that didn't happen. Her exact response was. "We've been apart over a year why would they need to see someone, what's the problem your seeing". Maybe the fact that the son got in trouble almost every day of preschool for biting, kicking, hitting, and bullying. Maybe your 7 year old daughter breaking down into a 30 minute balling fit because she messed up a word while reading. He looked at doing it while they were with us but since it's only a really limited time he said no because they wouldn't get to continue. They need to do it at home where they can have more than maybe 4 sessions.

I asked what he thought about seeing if the lawyer could put in some sort of morality clause. As much as we both hate the idea it might help. Not something too hard but like "must have dated atleast 6 months before introducing to the kids" maybe "1 year before moving in." Sure it would be hard to enforce in some ways but something needs to be done.

I know it's not my concern exactly but the thing is I don't plan on going anywhere and he wants as much time with the kids. I like the kids and they are decent enough to me. Though there are tough times for the most part it's all within "normal" childhood behavior range. We've even gone on our 3rd day without aggressive behavior from the son. The smoother things are at the other home the better they will be in ours also. I know he wants full custody of the kids. Maybe this will be enough to finally push for it. She did ask him if he had gotten to see her newest settlement agreement. No the lawyer is on vacation for a few more days.

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Acratopotes's picture

simply explain to the kids, this is how your mother operates, our house is differently....

and well you can't tell BM what to do and when and where to have sex with, not you or DH has any say in how she lives,
simply focus on explaining to the kids and get them to a point where they do not care who's the flat mate and who not,

I would really simply tell them BM helps out people with accommodation till they can afford their own }:) }:)

Livingoutloud's picture

I knew someone who had morality cause in CO that no one can spend the night unless they are married. She can date but they cannot sleep over.

I have met several women who went from man to man constantly one after another. One was also moving herself and her child into their houses. Her DD had lots of discipline issues. This woman even got engaged once but none of it lasted. I don't know why some women can't just date until they find the right one. I'd never dream introducing someone I just met to my DD let alone move him in

always_anxious's picture

This is what I don't understand. How does a woman drag her kids around so many different men and so many different situations.

Acratopotes's picture

because they grew up with their mothers doing it, they think it's normal....

they raise their daughters this way, cause it's all they know... and thus the circle goes on and on and on...

twoviewpoints's picture

You should delete the spam with link post above.

"I asked what he thought about seeing if the lawyer could put in some sort of morality clause. As much as we both hate the idea it might help. Not something too hard but like "must have dated atleast 6 months before introducing to the kids" maybe "1 year before moving in." Sure it would be hard to enforce in some ways but something needs to be done."

This surprises me in that very shortly ago, your BF was just meeting and pretty quickly moving in with you. It was but a blink of an eye, you, yourself entered these children's lives. No one wants their kids exposed to boyfriend after boyfriend after boyfriend and it was just a week or so ago your mind was wrapped around the idea this now gone BF was some child abusing molester.

Your BF isn't going to get to control who and what with his hopefully soon to be ex does. Just because your BF found you and it seems to be clicking for you two, his story could have just as well been BM's current story. Fortunately you are more stable and you are trying to help your BF establish a more appropriate home and lifestyle than what's happening in BM's world. But all these sudden new people and living arrangements have aided in bringing uncertainly and stress into these children's lives , including your BF's choices.

Your BF isn't going to get to tell BM how to run her life and home. If he wants more control he is going to have to seek more custody time with the kids. But even that isn't going to totally eliminate different males crossing BM's doorway when she has her visitations. Yes, some parenting plans have morality clauses in them. But they go both ways. No living with BF/GF and no overnights until married and such. But you can't ordered her to do something he is doing himself. Unless he's willing to move out of your apartment now until he is divorced and could marry you, your morality clause goes right off the list of 'rules'.

Your BF should also keep in mind, that even though you say you're there for the long haul, anything could happen. Extreme example, you could be killed in an accident this afternoon or fall down the stairs at your apartment and be laid up in the hospital for months and months. How would that tragic scenario affect your Bf's ability to keep the current stable home he's now giving his kids? He doesn't want something put in the parenting plan that he, himself, perhaps not be able to toe the line to.

Obviously, BM is having troubles affording a self home for her and her children. Has she tried your state's social services that assist single mothers with housing? She may be able to get a small subsidized housing unit (and yes, some of those come with their own set of 'rules' of who may live and/or how long visitors can stay).

secret's picture

Maybe he should simply tell BM that having their own family broken up is bad enough - but to have shoved them in pretend new families 3 times since that time, is like breaking up their "hopes and dreams" about "family" over and over.

Or simply, tell her that most kids have a hard time when they're forced to follow their whore mother around from one man's apartment to another...

BethAnne's picture

Precisely. Any interference will only be interpreted negatively and probably come with a back lash. Aim for stability in your home, that is the best you can do.

Ninji's picture

I have lost count of the number of men that BM has had living with her and the skids. She's only been separated from stepdad for two months (maybe less) and already has "Heath" living with her. Roommate or new boytoy???

DH says at least she is a survivor. I say she is destroying her kids.

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

As hard as it is to believe stability is the focus in our home. I won't say we went about things the right way but everything we've done was in attempts to improve his situation so that he could be a better parent.

We have discussed our living arrangement with the lawyer and I've talked with other professionals. The agreement is that while it wasn't the best way to do things we should not change things.

I have a back up option if there is every a court order. We will not violate it but the thing is the kids have adjusted to our situation. They have seen us living together since December and us being together longer than that. If I were to suddenly not be there when they are it would seen as instability in our part no matter what the reason is.

We're still figuring out alot of things but we are working on it together.

I could go off on a rant about how BM is worse but I know it's nota defense.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Be glad it's only 3 men in a year's time. BioHo, in the space of 2 years, had TWENTY-TWO MEN move in/out.

You cannot control what BM does. You can only control your own behavior.

As for a morality clause... will that stop BM from getting busy with men? In BioHo's case, she'd have men over for noisy sex and then they'd leave. So "spending the night" can mean absolutely NOTHING in regards to the morality clause.

twoviewpoints's picture

:jawdrop:

that's almost averaging two a month. WTF? I don't suppose she could have just arranged to go out for a quickie and left the poor kiddos out of it.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

BioHo has 5 children by 4 men. She needs that tallywhacker on a regular basis. How can she get it whenever she wants if the guy isn't living there? The children would be home ALONE. Better for them to be subjected to the caterwauling of an oversexed skank than to leave the poor little dears without proper supervision!!

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

That's part of the problem. She didn't have to introduce the first two guys if she showed any sort of restraint. She left them with grandma all the time. She refused to let SO have them any more than one night every other week. She could have arranged for the kids to be gone but chose to have the guys over with the kids.

If SO posted a picture I took of him with the kids you'd bet within days she'd have a picture of the kids with whatever guy posted. I was around but we did attempt to make sure the kids got time with dad. We didn't force me onto them more than me being there. There were no pictures of me and the kids till about a month ago when SO took one of story time.

Every time she got a new guy she's make such a big deal about it. She try to get SO to meet him and so on and so on. She's try to push the other person into the coparenting so quick.

I mean it becomes a battle of who did worse but over a year later I'm still here.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

That's BioHo. "Love me; love my children." She pushed every man to be Daddy. 3 of the fathers had NO part in the lives of their children ('Ho doesn't even KNOW who fathered PigPen). 'Ho was trying to get a man who could 'be a better Daddy' than DH. Just another attempt at PAS.

Dontfeedthetrolls's picture

I just hope she'll behave this time. Every time she goes through these changes she becomes more hostile towards SO directly.

Like in the past she would withhold the kids from him or be much harder to work with. From what he said she seems to be in a poor pity me state and was asking how he would handle it if we broke up. He told her he'd be honest with the kids. He isn't close to her by any means and is still pretty ticked off about how she did things but he tries to be polite because poking the bear only makes it worse. He behaves because the kids deserve it also.