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Conflicts between visitation schedule and social schedule

Caitlin's picture

What do you do when it's your stepkid's weekend with you and you're invited to an adults-only party? With us, I either stay home or go alone because my fiance doesn't feel right going out and leaving SD when we have so little time with her as it is, and I totally agree.

I guess I'm just feeling a bit resentful to have to turn down yet another holiday party invitation because I don't want to go without my hubby and we can't change visitation. (On a side note, I hate that word, because SD LIVES with us, even if it's only 2 weekends out of the month.)

I know that parenting and stepparenting is about making sacrifices and I do so without regret because I love our girls - bio AND step. However, I am tired of getting the shaft because of a stubborn hateful hypocritical BM who won't budge an inch but when the tables are turned she'll just make plans for SD on our time - without our consent and at the very last minute.

Any suggestions? I think I just need to change my attitude because I don't see the situation changing in this lifetime.

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wifey's picture

I went through this already. This is the perfect time for the two of them to have some alone time and your time away. Do not change your plans or invites because it's his weekend. If your stepchild's mother will not take him so that you may both attend, go by yourself. You deserve your time too...

skye22's picture

I think that you should find a babysitter for both the children and have a night out. You can't put your marriage on hold becasue it doesn't fall on the 'right' weekend. I understand the time restraints of a blended family all to well! But it could be a great bonding time for other family members to bond with your sd too. The situation is not going to change and you can't constantly feel like you are on the backburner. I wouldn't make it a habit of getting sitters during the weekend visits but if events come up, why shouldn't you enjoy a night out. Good luck!!! I understand that most of the time the kids come first but if you don't make your partner a priority when the kids grow up, where does that leave the marriage? You make your plans and have a wonderful time!!!! Just my opinion Smile

Candice's picture

You have already made several sacrifices giving up party after party b/c you have sd that same weekend..well, parenting is about having a balance too. There is nothing wrong with you and dh getting a sitter, even though sd is there for just the weekend, and go to that party...once in a while. It's not like you are leaving for the entire weekend, or that you hire a sitter every weekend that she is there.

I totally understand his feelings, every other weekend isn't a lot of time, but remember, you have always given up your adult time when she is there. I think having a sitter once a year for sd isn't so bad, and having some "adult" time is healthy for your marriage. I feel that your marriage is your #1 priority, and when you keep your marriage going strong, your sd is benefitting from it b/c you are helping your dh provide a stable home at his house for all the children.

I personally don't think to qualify as a good parent, that you make one constant sacrifice after another, and make your marriage and adult time always on the back burner. In fact, I believe that as a good parent, you will make time for you and dh, invest in your marriage by tending to it, and your children will absolutely benefit.

I hope you find the resolution that makes everyone happy. Maybe sd can stay the night with an aunt that she likes..or grandma and grandpa...

Candice's picture

It's funny b/c I posted just after you, and I thought our messages were real similar! Yeah...what she said!

Caitlin's picture

And you guys both used the backburner expression. Great minds think alike!

Caitlin's picture

I guess I forget sometimes that we need to go out and do fun adult things every now and then! And we do sometimes, don't get me wrong - it just seems like lately it's been one big scheduling conflict.

I'll talk about it with my fiance and see which one of these parties would be our top priority and then see if my mom would be able to come up and babysit - SD loves Grammy! Good idea!

Thanks - I feel better.

Candice's picture

We all need reminders once in a while...I'm glad we made you feel better..hope dh goes for it!

V's picture

I agree, you should get a babysitter and go to a holiday party. My BF would probably disagree though. He has his kids every weekend except for 1 a month. That is 12 weekends for us, and 36 for the kids. His ex is always trying to get him to forgo his weekends, and sometimes he has because one of the girls has to go somewhere, and ex works on Sat and Sun only. But when she wants to do something on one of his weekends with the kids, she just calls and says I need to pick up the girls on Saturday we are going someplace on Sunday. But whenever he asks to switch weekends because there is an event we want to attend, she doesn't let him forget it...how she covers for him. She takes a lot of time off work, but never seems to take time off when it is her weekend with the girls. She was angry during the divorce when he asked for 1 weekend a month without them. Because for 4 years while they were separated he had them EVERY weekend!

She frustrates me to no end.

happy mom's picture

i would find a sitter if not then i guess stay home. next time biomom changes the plan on your weekend say NO, that you would allow it if she did the same and compromise. that is totally unfair what she is doing and you guys are not allowed to change plans too.

-happy mom

Caitlin's picture

We have said no to BM when she changes the plan, but unfortunately since SD lives with her, there is nothing we can do about it. We can go to her apartment building and demand that SD come downstairs and leave with us at our scheduled time, but either a) they won't be there or b) BM will just plain refuse to send SD down. We've called the police before when she has denied visitation, but even then they can't enforce the court order. It's just so that we would have record of it.

BM does not compromise. She does not operate fairly or rationally. She does not hold herself to the same standards that she holds us and others to. She makes "rules" and breaks them the next day, but still demands that we follow these rules. We're not dealing with a reasonable human being, so compromise is unfortunately not a possibility.

SteppedOn's picture

I gave up going to my 10 year high school reunion because I hadn't missed one of my skids games at that point and it was a championship game. I was happy about the decision at the time, but now I resent it because no matter how much I sacrifice, I'm treated like crap and the skids don't ever look at me in that light. I'm simply taken for granted and probably always will be no matter how much I'm there or how much I sacrifice.

If this is not a habitual thing for you all, then you should either attempt a trade of weekends or of that day or get a babysitter. No one can look badly upon you all for having a life. Nondivorced parents get babysitters all the time.

Those skids need to see you two as a loving couple who have lives and friends and things to do that don't always include them. If it is just on special occassions, I think it could be a positive.

OldTimer's picture

Can you ladies come over to my house and tell that to my DH! lol...

Seriously, there are many times when I have felt the same way, and I've heard the same advice... problem is, how do you get DH to understand it? So, unfortunately, I too felt like I was on the backburner on several occassions because SS always came first. And if I said anything, DH was soo sensitive about it that it just wasn't worth me to agrue with him anymore. So, ever now and then, I just went out on my own with my girlfriends, and eventually, he finally realized what he was missing... Oh.

But over the years, the schedule changed, and now we have SS every weekday, and BM has him on the weekends. First you have to know that BM tried desperately to take SS away from his dad, but it totally back fired on him and ever time we go back to mediation, she thought she was soo smart but she lost time or money instead! lol.

Unfortunately, we're too tired to bother going out anymore because we do have SS every weekday, which means we have to deal with school, sports, etc. Now when something comes up on the weekend, we tend to just stay home and watch movies and relax! ;0)

lovin-life's picture

If we were discussing the original bio-family...this conversaton wouldn't even be happening. Of course 'mom' & 'dad' get a babysitter and go out together when a big adult function comes around once in a blue moon....it's a no brainer!!

You wouldn't give it a second thought.....

I think the same goes for parents in a step family...
We don't always have control of whose visitation day any event falls on....

In the big picture the kids won't even remember that one night you guys went out and had fun...while they stayed home with a babysitter watched movies ate popcorn and had fun!!!

Go for it!! Smile

PS

As a bio-mom I'd 'take issue' with it if it got to be a habit.....but we all know stuff comes up sometimes....

skye22's picture

We do not see eye to eye on this one. My ss mom also takes issue when 'Timmy' spends the night with granny. She fails to see that 'timmy' needs this bonding time with his grandparents too!! It is important that the extended family be included as well.

skye22's picture

"As a bio-mom I'd 'take issue' with it if it got to be a habit.....but we all know stuff comes up sometimes...."
I guess I just feel like we need approval from my ss mom while he is at our house. As long as he is not being neglected (left at home alone) then if we choose to leave him and our son with a family memeber from time to time...

lovin-life's picture

Yeah, but Skye in my case...it's the norm not the exception with my X. You've read my previous posts. How his partying comes before the kids. Can't get them to games on time. Sleeps it off in the parking lot instead of watching them. Golfing with his buddies day one of son's soccer tourny, and too hung over to make it to day 2. Doesn't make up visits...etc.

Blowing off the kids...is a habit in my X's case. And a real problem for me. He doesn't need my approval to do anything. I practice..my house my rules..your house your rules..kind of thing. But I know how his behavior affects the kids....for that reason it bothers me.

I'm pretty flexible he can see them when-ever he wants. Call them whenever he wants.....spend as much vacation with them in the summer as he wants..they love spending time with thier extended family. I have no problem with any of that!!

It bothers me when he blows them off for his buddies on a regular basis.....but then again he did that to all of us!!

skye22's picture

I'm sorry your kids have to deal with a guy like this. I'm sure it is difficult for you to watch your children sad when their dad is too 'busy' to take an active role in their lives. It is truly sad. I wish my ss mom was like you, we have to fight for every second we get. Our situations are just different.. But I understand now :0 I am sorry if I came off wrong. Its just my ss mom is a total control freak! You actually sound like your kids best intrest is what is your top priority.

Caitlin's picture

Ok, so my fiance felt ok with having my mom (Grammy) come stay with SD and BD while we go to one of these parties. I talked to my mom and it works out that she'll be bringing my niece and nephew as well, so it's going to be one big giant slumber party!

My fiance and I have never left SD with a babysitter before because we know she would worry and it would cause a great ruckus with BM. SD often has severe anxiety attacks before bed, when her mind starts racing, worrying about her mother, etc. We were afraid that leaving her with a stranger would probably bring on an attack, especially knowing that her mother wouldn't approve of us leaving her with a babysitter (not that it's ANY of her business!) Anyway, I'm so glad my mom can come because I know she'll be comfortable with her.

PS (in response to lovin-life's PS)

I understand perfectly why you would 'take issue' with it if it became a habit. This, however, is our first time ever and I am quite sure that we are going to hear an earful about it from BM. She'll make SD feel guilty for having fun while we were out, she'll probably tell her that Daddy would rather go out than be with her, she'll yell at my fiance for not spending enough quality time with SD, she'll probably even bring up finances for crying out loud. It's all a part of her control issues. She wants to control every aspect of our time with SD and whenever we do something that she doesn't like for whatever reason, she freaks out.

My point is just that this should be a non-issue, but she's going to make it one. This in turn just might give SD another anxiety attack, and then BM will say "see what you did?!" She makes her own kid sick with worry and then blames us for it. Poor SD. I'm just clinging to the hope that she will see that it's her mom's irrational reactions to our actions and NOT our actions that are causing such drama in her life. It used to be that SD would ask us not to do certain things (that her mother didn't want us to do) just to avoid the upset. Things have been changing though... We can only continue to show her how much we love her, her sister - and new sibling coming! - and each other and she'll see the light.

lovin-life's picture

Don't worry about things too much and enjoy your night out!!! She's going to have soooooo much fun...she'll want you guys to go out every weekend!!!

The hell with her mother.....she's not your problem, really! She's her own worst enemy. SD in my case eventually saw what her mother was doing..Dawn's SS is catching on to his mothers games as well....Kids aren't stupid. SD will figure it all out.....

(incidently..I had to pick SD up from high school one day.she took an anxiety attack..during the worst of her mother's BS)

I added the PS part because of my frustration with my X, putting his social life ahead of the kids...more often than not. Rarely asking to 'make-up' missed visits, dropping them off early etc....but at the same time professing his desire for more time..to anyone else who'll listen. Not giving notice when he's a no-show. And being the only one 'allowed to change plans'. Those are a littany of ongoing visitation issues..... Going out once in a while..schedulling conflicts..that's different..that's to be expected!

You need to go out!!!!!!! AND have fun....!!!!!!!
Remeber, You can't control 'other's behaviour' or 'other's reaction to that behaviour'.........it's not your issue.

You provided GREAT (extended) family time. Bonus!! X has absolutely NOTHING to complain OR criticize you guys about. Smile

Caitlin's picture

How sad that your kids' dad misses visits left and right and yet we're fighting not to be DENIED visits left and right!

lovin-life's picture

I think it's just a spill over of how things were in the marriage...

The point of no return for me...was one Christmas...it was a very lonely empty feeling....

He was drinking down the road at his buddy's house with his buddies family..me & the kids were home without him on Christmas Eve. This was 3 or 4 years before I finally left....it was not a happy home for many years.

I was crying and trying to assemble their toys by myself..

His priorities have always been off kilter....divorce doesn't change some things Smile

skye22's picture

It sounds like your little girls are going to have a great time with their granny. As far as sd mom, its none of her business. Once you let her know that she can't have a bitch fit and have everyone scramble to make her happy, things will calm down. On your time she has no say what, when , or how you do things. Remind her of that. You have a wonderful time!!

Caitlin's picture

Yes, the girls are going to have so much fun with their Grammy and cousins. My niece and nephew are almost 5 and 2 and they sooo look up to SD and they all just love to "take care of" our little one together. My nephew is just the shyest little thing, a real momma's boy, and he doesn't go to ANYONE. Well, the first time he met SD, he marched right over to her and reached his arms up to her. My niece said "that means my brother wants you to pick him up." I've never seen him do that with anyone else.

As far as BM is concerned, she honestly thinks that is IS her business, that she NEEDS to tell us what, when, and how to do things on our time. If we DARE tell her that what we do is none of her business, she starts huffing and puffing as though we've slapped her across the face and punched her in the gut. She'll repeat over and over and over again "I'm 'Jane's' MOTHER. I'm 'Jane's' MOTHER" as if that means she needs to control every moment of that child's existance just because she gave birth to her 11 1/2 years ago. LET GO, LADY! Let her father be a parent too!

Anyway, not important. We're going out and we're going to have a lovely grown-up time!

OldTimer's picture

that you found a GREAT solution! The kids are going to have fun, and really you are only looking out for the best interest for your SD... I mean, she NEEDS to have that same bonding time with her Grandmother too! (No matter WHO's mother she is... she's Grandma!)

For us, in the beginning, our BM had so much issues with her own family, that she eventually completely isolated herself from her own family members. She 'disowned' her father and would not allow him or her children to visit him. She had three kids, (different fathers- go figure) and the last time Grandpa got to see any of them is when she had her last son, 6 years ago! So, we took it upon ourselves to have at least my SS go visit and even spend the night from time to time during our visitation. So, that totally irrated BM. She thought we were all 'conspiring' against her, so we too got a lot of slack for it. But, now, it's been about 4 years since we started 'communication' with her own father, grandpa. This year, BM has finally isolated herself from her own mother, and sort of made amends to her father... it's been a really weird year, but she doesn't carry on like she did anymore. We just ignored it.

The sad part was that while we could 'control' SS visiting with Grandpa, the two other little ones were curious because SS would obviously talk about him, his house, the chickens, the dogs, how much fun he had, etc etc, like kids do. We felt for the two other kids. Was so sad, but we couldn't do anything about that, and we would try to 'update' grandpa if we knew anything. We even gave grandpa SS's soccer schedule, or baseball schedule, and he would come out to watch a game... but the moment that BM saw him, she'd pack up her other kids, and run away, come back at the end of the game, and whisk SS away as fast as she could. It was so sad. The kids had no idea what was going on. She really has some issues.

But just this last summer, she finally broke down and the kids got to spend time with Grandpa, even got to spend the night! That NEVER would have happened before. So, I feel your pain. Hang in there, it will get better over time. As the kids grow older, they start to put things together, and I think that our BM's other kids finally were old enough to realize and started asking questions that she couldn't avoid or answer.

I think the the Grandma solution is great!

Caitlin's picture

So we went to the holiday party on Friday night, my mom came up with my niece (nephew was sick) and the girls helped their Grammy with her Christmas cards and then watched a movie together.

SD was anxious for the 3 hours we were gone, unfortunately. She called us when we were on our way home, wondering when we were going to get there. She seesawed between having fun and laughing and suddenly becoming withdrawn and sullen throughout the evening and through the next morning. Her mom's venomous words ("Daddy has a new family and new priorities now. Daddy can't always be there for you because he has other responsibilities now. Daddy can't always pay attention to you like I can because he doesn't put you first like I do.") echoing through her head.

It even went as far as SD spending a half hour hovering over the toilet Saturday morning saying she needed to throw up -- all because she just desperately wanted Daddy's undivided attention. He had been napping in his easy chair, while I cleaned the house and the baby napped and I think she was suddenly bored and wanted her dad so she asked him to sit next to her and read to her on the bathroom floor. We're trying to work with her so she'll ask for attention when she needs it because we have GOT to break this pattern of her faking medical problems for attention. (She learned this technique from BM and has admitted to faking illness or injury for attention.)

Interestingly though, she had a long talk with my mom about BM. My mom told me that SD went on and on about how she has to take care of BM, that she wished she would find someone else to do that for her because she knows that it's not her job as the kid to take care of the parent. She also said she wished that her mom would get a life because her whole life is SD and it's not fair and it's not right. She said she feels too bad for BM to stop taking care of her because she doesn't have anyone else -- not true, she has her father right next door, but SD still feels totally responsible for her nonetheless.

So, poor SD is so conflicted that having dad and SM go out together without her makes her feel left out and worried, yet she really wishes that BM had a life outside of her! Poor kid. It's so confusing for her. I just hope she'll discuss it with her therapist to get a neutral third party's input that it's healthy for us to have an adult life, that she's well taken care of and certanly well loved and that no matter how many children we have together, she will always be extremely important to all of us. I think that's what it comes down to. BM has been working on her, getting her all worried about the new baby and how she's going to be left out.

As I predicted earlier in this blog, we will probably hear about this from BM for months to come because SD will probably share with her that she missed her dad on Friday night. BM will then blow it out of proportion, saying that we put SD in an uncomfortable situation leaving her with a non-family member. (That's her favorite thing to do, saying that "my" family is not SD's family. She tries to minimize SD's relationship with me and everyone related to me. Very sad that she can't see past her own insecurities and just be glad that everyone has accepted SD into their lives just as they have my BD, as just another granddaughter, cousin, niece, etc.) Keep in mind that this is also the first and only time we've gone out together on SD's time with us. It's not like we're neglecting her!

Anyway, I'm glad we went, but I'm so afraid that it will cause more trouble than it was worth! Quick, someone please reassure me that it was the right thing to do!!! Thanks for the support, everyone!

sosmomof6's picture

no matter what crap she tries to pull. Vent here anytime you need to. I could probably write the book on this kind of thing...she's being an irrational hypocrite and it's sad what she's trying to put in your SD's head. Since you can't change her, try to keep up that shield against her words/actions. *hugs*

loren_n_tamara's picture

My SD is always ill, when she started spending the night at our house she threw up every night for a year, we talked with her mother over getting her therapy, of course BM told us that if she had any problems it was because of us,(it couldnt be the fact that BM had a secret club with SD where they talked about every little word and every little thing we did) we have gone on overnights with all the kids, she either sleeps between us, or paces the house all night keeping everyone (including hosts) awake, and she makes sure daddy knows it, if we try to go out for the evening w/o her she gets a headache, and reminds us that "what if she gets sick" Luckily my hubby knows his exs little illness tricks and that his D is doing only what shes been taught, but how to explain to SD that even as much as he loves her, she is beginning to drive a wedge between them by being just like her BM, he is also frustrated because it forces him to pay more attn. to her instead of spending equal time with all the children, so his guilt level is getting high.

Caitlin's picture

SD11 started having anxiety attacks last year at age 10, right around the time that her mother had one of her "concussions". Now, BM has had numerous "concussions" in the last 2 1/2 years I've known her, plus a variety of other injuries and illnesses, some of which are medically proven (broken elbow, sprained ankle, etc) and some of which may be real, but could be faked (migraines, concussions, bruised ribs). The reason I have some doubt as to the veracity of her medical problems is that they always happen right after a major event, like her "fall" the day her child support and alimony was reduced in court. It's her way of getting attention when things aren't going her way. Either that, or she's incredibly clumsy. I just don't buy it.

So, SD worries terribly about her mother hurting herself and was having such severe anxiety attacks about it that she made herself physically ill with nausea and terrible acid reflux. She couldn't come on overnight visits with us for months because she was terrified that her mom would die if she wasn't there to keep an eye on her. A year of therapy and anti-depressants and strong antacids later and SD is dealing with her anxiety much better.

However... when we announced last month that we were expecting our second child together, SD started worrying that we'd forget about her (BM pouring poison in her ear all the while). One day, she fell on the playground and bumped her head. Well, BM rushed her to the ER for myriad tests because SD said that she couldn't see or walk and felt dizzy. After 10 or 12 hours in the ER, they got home and SD admitted that she had made up those symptoms because she was afraid the new baby would take attention away from her and she just wanted attention from her mom and dad and grandfather (BM's dad).

SD said casually a few months ago after tripping and skinning her knee, that she didn't like getting hurt, but she liked the attention she gets when she gets hurt. At the time, I didn't think twice about it. Now, I'm realizing that she's using illness and injury to manipulate and it reminds me of someone!! BM does this same exact thing!

So on Saturday, when SD said she thought she had to throw up, I took a look at the situation and realized that at that very moment, zero attention was being paid to her and I think she wanted to find a way to change that. Maybe the nausea was part of her anxiety attack problem, rearing its ugly head again. Maybe she just wanted to spend time with her dad because we had gone out the night before and she felt unimportant and scared. It's hard to get her to talk, so I don't know, but I think it's psychosomatic if it's anything at all. After all, she IS learning from the master.

Did you ever get your SD into therapy? It sounds like she REALLY needs it! Her behavior is a cry for help. She really needs to have a neutral third party to talk things over with before it gets any worse. You have the other kids to worry about too. Like you said, she's beginning to drive a wedge in your family.

Nise's picture

We have a similar problem (although much more mild it seems) with my oldest SD…(she’s almost 7)…her mother has her thinking that sick is fun in some strange way…so she is constantly taking medicine and likes it…if I give her sister medicine for a valid reason, and she sees me doing it, she’ll say “my stomach/head/throat hurts, can I have some of that?” and put on a “sad/sick” look on her face…I have to tell her, you take medicine because you HAVE to not b/c you want to but I think with her mom it is a way to get babied/attention…she’s gotten much better in the last year then she was before though…but not too long ago she stayed the night with my sister in law and her little cousins and she flipped out b/c she didn’t have a “satin pillow case” and she actually started to cry and sat in the corner at my SIL’s while the other kids played to the point where my SIL called me concerned…come to find out it was another one of her mom’s sick little games…she actually told her that if she didn’t sleep on a satin pillow case she would get sick and if we didn’t have one at our house to call her! I think it is so sad and SICK to do that to your child for your own gratification!!

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