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What makes a REAL parent?

AshMar654's picture

Someone commented to me recently about being a real parent.........

So what makes a real parent? Leave comments below.

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justmakingthebest's picture

Look, I have told you my family's story.

My mom= Adopted from orphanage

My Uncle= Adopted from foster care

Me= Stepdad adopted me

Adoption is all over my family and we are all as "real" as a family can get. My dad (my stepdad) is my only dad. He is my kids Papa. He is the one who walked me down the aisle, scared high school boyfriends, was rushing to my side locked and loaded when my exhusband decided that it was cool to hit me. 

You are going to be a wonderful mother, don't let anyone take your joy!

AshMar654's picture

Thanks it is wildstang that is trying so hard to take all my joy. Apparently step-parents should never adopt a child whose parent is still alive. I think they think I should try to go after her for money (CS) and force her to fulfill her moral obligation.

STaround's picture

Are you saying that becuase anyone gets divorced, they should have their kids put up for adoption?   So if a woman does not want to have her kids adopted, she has to put up with abuse or whatever?

Adoption means accepting responsibility.  Many SMs are not willing to accept that. 

tog redux's picture

What? She's saying that wildstang believes that a stepparent should not ever adopt a stepchild if the other bio parent is still alive, even if said parent has no interest in being involved in the child's life and is willing to allow adoption. 

STaround's picture

I think the danger of stepparent adoptions is that they are likely (at least possibly) being done by one spouse to curry favor or accomodate a spouse.  Should the marriage break out, an explicit promise to a child may be broken.   In an normal adoption, prospective parents adopt becuase they want a child. 

justmakingthebest's picture

Hold up... do you even know this posters story? Bm took off. They searched her out. She moved on with a new family and was totally ok with signing over her rights. Ashmarie is doing a beautiful thing.

She knows that this makes her mom. She is all on board. Even if divorce does happen. She is mom.

Rags's picture

Absolutely.  You are as real as a family can get. 

Adoption is a considerable part of my DW's family as well. She was adopted by her StepDad.  Her BioDad was killed in a car accident a couple of days before my MIL found out she was pregnant.  Her StepDad was there when she was born.  He and my MIL married when my DW was 2mos old.  FIL's and MIL's were close family friends and he and my MIL's youngest sister dated for a short time in HS.  When MIL returned to the US after her first husband was killed, he was there for her and there for her all through her pregnancy with my DW.  That adoption was finalized when my DW was 38.  She gave her dad the adoption as part of our vow renewal on our 20th anniversary.  He got to walk his eldest daughter down the isle.  I recommended that we renew our vows on our 20th rather than our 25th because of my concerns that my FIL would not make it to our 25th.  Sadly, I was right.  He passed last year a month before our 24th anniversary

I adopted my SS at his request when he was 22 after raising him as my own since his mom and I married the week before he turned 2yo.

My BIL1 and his wife are in the process of adopting 9yo twin girls that they have provided respite care for through the foster system.  They just had their permanency hearing and were named as the permanent placement family.  The adoption should finalize in October.  They have two BioDaughters.  Our eldest niece in that family is 14 and the youngest is 10. Their youngest daughter and the twins are 11mos apart in age.  The girls (all 4 of them) were very excited and supportive of the adoption.  The community is very supportive and is in the process of converting their garage into the eldest daughter's bedroom/bathroom suite so that the twins will share a room until the eldest daughter heads off to college.

My mom and dad have been my SS-26's REAL GPs since the day they met.  His mom and I married 5mos later.  He is their eldest GK.  My brother and SIL are my son's aunt and uncle and he and is Rags cousins are pretty much BFFs and have been since they were young children.  His mom and I married when my niece was 5mos old and they were raised pretty much together.  She is very protective of my son to the point that she will not allow her BFF to date my son because he (nieces BFF) is a PITA diva gay man.  She loves her BFF but he is not worthy of her cousin and she makes that very clear.  My eldest nephew (Bro's middle child) my kid are also extremely close.    Both are computer science geeks, are exceptionally close to their Deepa (my dad) and pretty much worship their Deema (my mom).  My youngest nephew (17) is also a great kid and is right in the thick of the close relationships.. when he is with his elder sibs and my son.

Our son will be here tomorrow and we are leaving for a visit with my ILs in SpermLand on Saturday for 5days.  My kid will see his SpermClan for one of the days we are visiting with my DW's family.  He significantly dislikes visiting with them but we raised him to be respectful of them.  When we all three decided to go visit with my IL clan the Skid immediately stipulated that he would spend a day with his SpermClan.  I recommended that he spend one of the later days of this trip with them since any visit he has with them tends to be very upsetting for him and he gets broodingly moody for days after being in their toxic presence but my guess is that Sunday will be the day he visits with them because that is when, just maybe, they might actually give a shit enough to spend a little time with him.  We shall see if they even make an effort.  They usually don't.  Which is why he rarely makes an effort to see them. They have never once made an effort to visit him and experience his real life.  Not when he was a young child nor since he has become an adult.

Anyone who would suggest that my son is not mine, or that he is not my parent's GKid or my brother and SIL's nephew or my niece and nephews' cousin would learn very quickly how wrong they are.  My family would set them straight immediately.

REAL family is a factor of connection, love, action, boundaries, and moving forward together.  My kid has always been a Rags.  When he was 22 he asked to make it official.  We made that happen complete with a re-issued birth certificate. Now he wears his REAL family name on his uniform.

I have to give SpermGrandHag some props over how she reacted to my son informing her of the adoption.  For the only time in the entire time we have been a blended family she displayed support for my SS rather than toothless moron toxic bullshit. She congratulated him and told him she was happy that he had a dad to give him a positive male role model and to love him as a dad should.  I know that those comments had to be extremely difficult for her to make as they were confirmation of how much of a POS her own son is.  My heart actually broke for her when she was actually human and focused on what was best for my son.

Thanks for sharing your story. 

tog redux's picture

I have three adopted nieces, one of whom has an open adoption. She is 17, and she knows her bio family well - but still, her adoptive parents are her "real parents".  She calls the other family "her bios".   

She was adopted at birth, but even so, your soon-to-be son doesn't really know his bio mother.  Just be prepared for some possible angst about her absence, though not all adopted kids care what happened to their bio parent. 

I actually give BM credit for signing off and allowing you to be his mother if she can't do it. That takes courage. 

AshMar654's picture

I do think it took a lot for her to sign, I really do. I will always be grateful to her for allowing me to be his mom.

tog redux's picture

Look how many mothers described here dump their kids on the father, refuse to pay child support, and then try to prevent their child from having a good relationship with a stepmother.  Giving a child up for adoption is a difficult thing to do. 

STaround's picture

Where dad goes for 50/50 custody and dumps parenting on SM.  I do agree, everyone ordered should pay CS.   

Rags's picture

This is pretty much is how my Skid is.  He has always known his BioDad and that part of his family but to him they are the "lastnames".  Once he reached 18 and aged out from under the Custody/Visitation/Support order he put them in the "bios" category as your niece has done during her life in an open adoption.  

Since he asked for me to adopt him he refers to them as the (Lastnames).  

My college BFF was adopted.  He has zero interst in his Bios and never has.  He is extremely close with his mom.  She is his mom... period.  The same with his dad though his dad passed when he was 13.  He actually found his dad after he commited suicide. Intestingly his family (mom and cousins) have shared with me that he is actually his dad's bio kid via an affair with a woman who had 5 other children.  They both cheated on their spouses.  My BFF's mom adopted him when BioMom called to tell his dad to get him.  That occorred right out of the delivery room.

He does not know that his dad is his biodad.  I was his best man when he married.  After the wedding his mom and cousins asked me to join them in the hotel courtyard. They spent all night updating me on his childhood and how all of the men in his family for two generations (grandfather, great uncles, father and uncles) had all killed themselves.  Mental illness is prevelent in the men of his family.  So I was drafted to keep an eye out for indicators of depression and to be the keeper of the family secret.  I am torn on telling him, or not.  So far, I haven't.  I will probably wait until his mom passes.  She is in her early 80s.

Adoption is a very special thing and is about as real as a family can get.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

IMO, it is an adult who loves, care for, and raises a child - regardless of a biological connection.

My parents were foster parents. My foster sisters came from an abusive home (mental/physical/sexual). They lived with us for almost 5 years until an aunt was able to "take them in". They often came back home to visits the parents. And by home I mean the home we grew up in. They still called my parents Mom and Dad and my siblings and I still considered them to be our sisters until they passed away. The oldest was sexually molested by the bio-father. He tracked her down. That was one of the most gawdawful funerals I have ever had to attend. The youngest, well, that death really screwed her up and she got involved with drugs and overdosed. They're buried locally and I visit their gravesites.

Because of the love and PARENTING that my parents gave to non-biological children (children all over the neighborhood called my mother 'Momma Kay'), my siblings and I realized that the capacity to love a child and be a parent is not limited to genetics. I have 4 adopted nieces and nephews. All of them came from very bad origins (abandonment, abuse, drugs...) 2 are now adults who each have 2 children.

One of my nephews married a woman with 3 children. He was previously married and has a child. All of their kids are now adults and they are a beautifully blended family. Two of his steps have toddlers and he is a very proud Pawpaw.

My DH raised (is raising) 2 skids. He IS Dad.

I raised 3 skids, who are all adults and each have 1 child. My skids call me Mom. Their children call me Grandma Aniki.

MidwestMrs's picture

Aniki, I loved your Mom so much. She mothered so many neighber kids for alot of years. Teachers kids too. Momma Kay was known far and wide for her fresh cookies and loving ways. *give_rose*

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Midwest, you know my Mom loved you, too. I'd give my eyeteeth to go back in time to be in the kitchen with her. <3

ESMOD's picture

I read the prior post and it appears that wildstang said that being a 'real parent' will knock off your rose colored glasses.  

I think her comments are blunt but in all honesty not that far off base in a situation like yours.

In your situation...you and your dh may not be parents of equal footing per se.  If you split in the future (unfortunately more likely than him dropping dead) your dh and even YOU might regret this rush to codify your status.  You could be subject to cs. Your dh could end up as a ncp  for his bio child while he pays cs to a non bio adopter.  

I think that your desire to have an 'ownership' stake in the boy was more a driver than any real benefit to the child. You want his family to butt out..period. you want the respect factor but that paper isn't going to provide that validation from them.  I dont necessarily think you have to wait till 18... but I think you probably would have been good to wait...if only for the financial situation you guys are in...cant afford therapy etc...

But..you are moving forward and I hope it works the way you hope it will.  But keep in mind your dh still has his family and this piece of paper is not your permission slip to tell them to f off.  You dont need to turn them into enemies.

 

AshMar654's picture

He is in therapy by the way.

I am not doing this for status or to put his parents in his place I really am not. I know I make comments but I am doing this because I love him. It is really that simple I love him and I just want to give him all that I have to give and provide him with the best life possible. I know that I could be subject to CS if things do not work out, DH also understands I could get custody should things not work out. Guess what same thing can happen if we have a bio-child. I know not totally the same.

Thank you for saying you hope it works out. I hear the warnings and I understand them.

tog redux's picture

Some of these people will not be happy unless you say they are right and you won't be doing it.  You've thought about the risk and the future possibilities.

Go for it. 

secret's picture

Agreed. A real parent is the one who does what's best for the child... in this case, both you and BM are doing what's best. Her for stepping down, you for stepping up. Sad that this situation has made her more of a parent than she's ever been. Congrats!

Rags's picture

REAL... in regards to parenting is entirely relative to taking the actions of parenting and does not necessarily have anything to do with biology.  Who spawned the kid(s) really doesn't matter.  Beyond basic support, those who take the actions of being an example, mentor, advocate, confidante and disciplinarian, on the balance sheet, are the REAL parents.

Fortunately for most kids, their bioparents are REAL parents.  Some kids who lost the parent lottery are fortunate enough to have other adults in their lives who are their REAL parents.  Step Parents, Grand Parents, Adoptive Parents, Foster Parents, etc....

IMHO people who breed and do not keep their shit together to provide adequately for their children, are not examples of a quality adult nor are they a REAL parent.   These failed individuals do not mentor, do not advocate for their children, do not act as their child's confidante, and do not effectively hold their children to reasonable standards of behavior and performance with appropriate discipline.  They are not parents at all. Much less a REAL parent.

You can see failed parents just about anywhere in public these days.  They are the ones with screaming banshee toxic spawn that disrupt others while in public, they are the ones who expose the public to dirty, smelly kids with forlorn looks on their faces, they are the ones who worship their children without the child performing to a level worthy of parental adoration, etc.......

While I have zero tolerance for toxic children, that they exist breaks my heart.  Their parents need to be shredded.  But sadly, there is no license required to breed so there will be no cessation of children who are victims of people who have no business having children in the first place.

We navigated this topic in our family periodically due to toxic manipulative crap from SpermGrandHag.  My bride and I met when SS-26 was 15mos old.  We married the week before he turned 2yo.   He always had a relationship with his SpermClan and for the most part he had regular visitation with them.   There were a few extended pariods where they declined visitation because they claimed to not being able to afford their half of visitation travel costs.  On all of those occassions when it had been too long we paid their half.  Though ideally they should not have had any visitation (they are toxic toothless morons) it was not fair to our son for them to not step up on their visitaiton so we made sure he saw them.

He returned from a visitation when he was about 7-8yo expounding that SpermGrandHag had told him I was not his REAL dad and that I was only his StepDad.  He was very upset about this. We never kept it a secret that I was his StepDad, that his BioDad made him with his mom, etc....    It really upset him that his SpermGrandHag had harped on me not being his REAL dad for several weeks during visitation.  

In short, we reviewed that a BioDad is the dad that made him with his mom, a StepDad is the dad that is married to his mom and that a REAL dad is the dad that goes to work every day to make sure that he has a nice safe home to live in, a safe neighborhood, good schools, save cars to ride in, teaches him to use the toilet, tie his shoes,ride bike, to read, to write, reads him bed time stories, coaches his sports teams and loves he and his mom very much.

He commented then that a StepDad sounds like a REAL dad to him.

A couple of  years later he came home from visitatiom with more toxic SpermGrandHag crap that she had gotten on him about calling me "Dad" since I was not his dad and only his StepDad.  I was the first person he ever called Dad(dy).  He started that when his mom and I were dating.  His choice. No one told him to or forced him to.  He always referred to BioDad as "Daddy (Firstname)".

When he returned from SpermLand visitation upset over the latest SpermGrandHag toxic crap we talked about it.  I do not allow children to address me by my first name. It is Yes/No sir and Mr. Lastname.  Period.  My neices and nephews refer to me as Uncle "Firstname".  So, I told him that if "Dad" was no longer what he would call me he could call me "Mr. Lastname".  His choice.  He decided to stick with Dad.

Kids will always want their BioParents to be their REAL parents. And BPs should step up and be REAL parents.   But... kids are also smart.  They know who has their best interests at heart.  As adults we absolutely should deliver on being REAL parents particularly if we are their BPs.  If we are SPs or some other flavor of parent and the BPs are failures as people and parents, kids can still have REAL parents when quality adults of character take the actions and responsibility as REAL parents and step up.

All IMHO of course.

 

AshMar654's picture

Amazing answer and I feel a lot of the same. Question though if you do not mind answering. When your SS was younger and say if his bio-dad was not in picture at all would you have adopted him before he was full grown and asked you to? Just curious. You do not have to answer.

Rags's picture

We discussed adoption on a few occasions when he was young. He amazed me with his old soul mature participation in those discussions.  His contribution to those discussion was consistent along the lines of ... "Dad, I am a Rags.  Doing the paperwork to change my name won't change that fact.  The (Bios) would be upset and I don't want to hurt them."  

During a particularly long period where they "could not afford" their half of visitation travel costs and were complaining louder than usual about how CS for my SS was taking food out of the mouths of the three younger also out of wedlock SpermIdiot spawned half sibs by two other baby mamas we offered to adopt all three of them too.  Our son was very cognizant of the different between his life and family and the life that his younger sibs had to live.  Our offer to adopt all of them sent the SpermGrandHag into butt hurt offended apoplexy.

Yes, I would have gladly adopted him when he was a young child.  But not being able to adopt him made no difference in how I raised him as my own. I am his dad. Always have been, always will be.

I committed to he and his mom from day one of our life together that I would never deny him a relationship with the SpermClan.  As toxic as they have always been. I did my best to deliver on that promise though that fact that he was exposed to their toxic manipulative crap still breaks my heart.  As an adult they have made no effort to have a relationship with him. That started the day he turned 18 and aged out from under the Custody/Visitation/Support order.  They did not call him or otherwise contact him for more than 2 years after that.  Except to try to guilt him into sending money to help support his younger sibs once he enlisted in the USAF.  That just broke his heart even more and drove him to not contact them.

Over the years as an adult he has visited them a few times.  Never have they invited him or sent him plane tickets. He pays to fly to them if he visits though usually he visits them for an afternoon when we visit my ILs as a family. 

I picked him when I met his amazing mom 25 years ago.  He picked me when he asked me to adopt him 4 years ago.  The day the Judge signed our adoption order was a great day.  The funny part of that was when the Judge assumed that he and I were a gay couple trying to establish legal status for inheritance and hospital access in the event of critical illness.  Our lawyer had to explain that we had been family for more 20 years and I was his StepDad.  The Judge did not even bring us in to the court room. He just signed the order and asked our lawyer to express his congratulations.  It was decidedly anticlimactic.His mom and I and my parents were sitting outside of the courtroom when our attorney walked out with the signed order.  From start to finish the adoption was 4 days from when SS asked for a full meal deal adoption.  If you don't count the 20 years we were a family before the adoption.

AshMar654's picture

Thanks for sharing Rags I really appreciate this. I too feel my SS is my son. I really do not need the legal paper to say what I feel in my heart. My situation is a little different in my SS 10 has no memory of his BM and she has not been around in 6 years and before that it was very minimal.

My DH and I have been together for 3.5 years almost, married 6 months. We have lived together with SS for the last two years. For the last two years I have been basically mom. He asked to call me mom about a year ago now I never forced it I never said he had to it was all his choice.

The idea of adopting or possibly adopting has been on my mind for a long time and it has my DH's as well. It started about year after we were together and my MIL asked what we would do with SS should anything happen to DH and I simply said well technically and legally he would go to his BM since she never gave up her rights. It never dawned on them that was a possibility or an option, they do not think too much. After we were together and moved in, I say with DH and asked what his thoughts were and what he would want for SS should anything happened to him. He simply said well you, this was about 6 months after we were all living together. I simply said to totally insure that to happen with no issues we would have to ask her to terminate and for me to adopt. He said ok.

That is where it stood for over a year until after we got married and the subject came up again because we both decided to also have another child in our live should nature permit. I said what about SS his is my son and DH said I know he is. I said I would like to make it legal and adopt him. DH had no problem with this and said yeah let's do it. You are his mom and the only one he has ever know so he stays with you. We sat SS down and talked to him about and asked him if he wanted me to adopt. His response well I thought that happened when you got married. (To be young and view the world so simple). We explained how his BM would have to give permission as we phrased it and he understood and still was ok with it all.

We have a court date in two months, she has signed the paper to terminate her rights and allow me to adopt SS. I am over the moon thrilled. My DH and I also made a promise to ourselves and told her as well if SS ever asks we tell the truth, if he ever wants to contact her when he is older we will give him the information to allow that to happen. We both feel it is up to SS at this point to decided how he wants to deal with that as he gets older.

Some people are not supportive of me adopting my SS and taking on that responsibility of him at this age, they see it as a huge mistake and that we should be holding BM accountable for him. I do not agree with that as what good will that do at this point in his life. Again thank you for your perspective and letting me know all different kinds of adoption happened in your family. I really do appreciate it.

Rags's picture

My wife and I would have gladly relieved the SpermClan of financial responsibility for SS if they had allowed me to adopt him when he was a minor.  They got all butt hurt when we broached the topic. Then proceeded to bitch and moan about CS for another decade or so.

You are fortunate that BM has signed to relinquish her rights and to allow the adoption to move forward.  Do not give the naysayers any mind.  It is better to have a toxic shitty parent out of your life and the life of the Skid than it is to have CS.  Regardless of how much money they may represent.

IMHO of course.

AshMar654's picture

Rags. Thank you so much for your perspective on this all. I really appreciate it coming from a more mature wiser person who has experience with all this. I value what you have said so much.