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problem with a 5 yr old disapline issues little bit of a read but would love advice

newb5's picture

}:) my partner has shared custody of her 5 year old daughter with her ex shes a relitivly well behaved child and I have been with my fiance for 9 months now and she(the daughter) and I get on rather well I try to sit back and let my partner be a lead displinarian chipping in where I can and we both beleive in giving a child boundries and giving time out in the corner when she doesnt listen and does.
the problem we are having using last night as a prime example is this:
Last night we sent her to her room to clean it up before bedtime waited five minutes still nothing happening ok so we tell her you have 15 minutes to clean your room or your gong down to the bottom of your rewards ladder and in the corner for 5 minutes (this usually works as well as taking her teddy toys off her which she cant sleep with out ) 20 minutes goes by nothing has been done shes just mucked around (the child knows what we expect)my partner then goes in tells her the conseqnes which is no teddy in bed tonight and 5 mins in the corner she then tells her to go to the corner her daughter (now heres the issue) says no no no my partner then makes it 10 mins in the corner she still gets defiant and wont go she then is picked up and physically put in the corner however she wont put her hands behind he back or put her head facing the wall still defiant so fast forward the defiance toward the punishment continued even when my partner gove her a smack on the bottom which she does not like doing at all btw but was at her wits end by that stage and asks me what should I do?,so i told her to go in supervise her cleaning her room and strait to bed. so she does this slowly but surely. The child has also lost all her teddy toys for a month at this stage. so we put her to bed then low and behold 15 mins later shes still crying, my partner checks on her shes thrown her pillows out of bed, so now the tantrum has set hold, an hour later we went in, her hole room had been trashed, the foam mattress from her bottom bunk ripped off her bed and her still chucking a mass tanty so by this stage where beyond it, we place her in the bathroom then take everything out of her room that she loves leaving only the basics. this got to her shes now lost them for a month .
The problem we have is she doesnt seem to take our punishments seriously once we took all her toys off her and she laughed and didnt seem to care she just has this really defiant behavior and attitude at times where she talks back to me and her mother and just defies us we are both at our wits end with what to do. my partner also does not know if her ex disciplines her as he is hopeless to communicate with on parenting issues and would only get snarky about it she has tried communicating with him in the past on similar matters and he does nothing and gets her no where.

newb5's picture

Thanks sueu2 definitly something to think about i dont have much experience with kids so great to get some advice.oh the BD doesnt have a partner its my fiance the BM thats at her wits end. Dirol

instantfamily's picture

Wanna trade 5 year olds and we can see if each other has any more success than the other? You are seriously living my life right now. My FSD has ZERO reaction to consequences and ZERO empathy and the creepy "laughing" thing when she's being punished makes me crazy. We used to take toys away but she didn't give a crap because she knew she'd get them back eventually, so it was an ineffective tactic. Now, we've resorted to either throwing them in the actual garbage while she watches her beloved toys go away forever or putting them in the Goodwill box and having her be the one to give them away. That seemed to finally sink in because it's final. Also, find what makes this little girl tick. What does she HAVE to have? What would she just be miserable without? It's hard with ours because she acts like she doesn't care about anything at all (or so she acts) so it's really difficult to figure out. We, also, had a two and a half hour tantrum last night which was just unbearable. I don't have much in the way of answers because we're in the same boat- but regular therapy begins next week and if we don't get the answers we need we're going to get a referral to a behavioral specialist. I'll keep you posted if we get any good tips!
Hang in there!

newb5's picture

thanks for the post let me know how that goes we do try the thing she likes angle but i dont think it goes in after taking the toys off her last night today she was asking why she wasnt aloud to take her teddy toys to her bds place while shes there for his half of the week . so her bm is now looking into things on the net shes just had it with this behavior and the lack of listening.good luck to you though. Dirol

Caralynd's picture

One thing that I learned when studying psychology in college is that children that young still need instant punishments, not long term punishments. A grounding (or toy taking away for a month) will not affect the child anymore after a couple days. Doing a shorter punishment or a more abrupt punishment usually works the best for that age. On the contrary (and this is where it gets hard) only a year or two later a long grounding/punishment will be affective...At the same time, each parent is different.Stick to what you have decided and eventually your child will know you are serious, this is why shorter more abrupt punishments at this age are more effective. It gives your child a shorter time to realize not to mess with you guys and that you are serious! (I have a 6 year old daughter and starting at about 2 they are constantly testing what they can and cant get away with, let them know they can't get away with anything, while at the same time letting them know that you guys love your child more than they could ever know!) ONe last piece of advice, when you give a punishment and after they do calm down, talk to your child and tell them what they did wrong, what you expect of them next time the same situation arises, but most importantly that whatever happens you love them forever and always:) Hope that was a clear post because I am not gunna spell check before I post it :)Kudos on being parents who actually care enough to seek out advice Smile