Breaking point with husband
Hi again, I'm back. I posted two other times over the past week talking about feeling regret marrying someone with a child. Thanks to those of you who've responded. Here's the latest that I need advice on:
I had a conversation with DH the other night where I opened up to him about my struggles and complicated emotions that came along with being a SM and having a blended family. I told him I often felt like I had nobody to confide in about my struggles, but that I finally needed to be open to him about my feelings. It's not like this is totally new to him, because one night about a year ago when we were hanging out with another couple, the husband (not my DH, but the husband of the other couple) asked how I felt about the my role as a stepmom. I burst into tears as I answered his question, telling them it was truthfully a pretty difficult situation for me. My DH just sat there quietly and listened. After we left our friends' house, he never brought up the issue again. Not a single follow up question or anything like, "I didn't know you were struggling so much." I just got crickets in return for opening up for the first time in front of him.
When I brought this up to him the other night, he said he never brought it up again because he assumed that me not bringing up meant that it was resolved.
When conversation #1 happened on Sunday night, he quietly listened while I talked. I told him that the SM/blended family thing was harder for me than I realized and that I didn't know if I was cut out for it. I don't remember much after that except for DH speaking in confusing, vague metaphors, and also because Conversation #2 is what's fresh on my mind.
Conversation #2 that happened last night took a different turn. When I got home in the evening, DH was taking down the Christmas tree. I immediately noticed all the ornaments laid out on the couch, except he clearly divided up my ornaments and his; mine were on one side of the couch and his were on the other. He also wasn't wearing his wedding band.
I told him that after a day of reflection, the next best step for me would be to go to individual counseling to talk through my struggles with an unbiased professional. He said if that's what I wanted then it would be best for me to do it while staying somewhere else because he didn't want to be under the same roof while I was "testing the waters to see if I want to be in this marriage."
I kept telling him that the focus for me was SM struggles and NOT specifically our marriage. But anytime I brought up the words SM/SS/blended family, he would again turn the focus onto the marriage. He kept asking me whether or not I was committed to the marriage, because if I wasn't, then it would be pointless to talk about the SM/SS/blended family issues. I felt like I was being bullied to make a decision that I am not prepared to make. For me, it's talking about the SM issues FIRST, but he doesn't see it that way. Maybe he feels hurt and is putting his guard and defenses up. I don't know.
The entire time, he kept a calm demeanor and voice, maybe to make it seem as though he wasn't being controlling and manipulative.
He said that should I decide that I'm not committed, then this can be a very amicable split. He said he'd help me move my stuff, etc.
Wanting to seek out counseling is my way of saying that I want to see if these feelings I'm having can be worked out so that our marriage can become better too in the long run. He sees it as prolonging the situation and wasting his time. He is essentially saying that I've been hesitant and testing the waters the entire 17 months thus far of marriage when, for me, any negativity in my demeanor came from pent up stress over my newfound SM role. It is in my nature to bottle things up until I just can't emotionally bear to any longer. Why am I being punished for opening up to DH? Is he offended that I'm not connecting to his son?
Now I'm REALLY not sure if this can work out.
She didn't say marital
She didn't say marital counseling. She said "individual counseling". She specified that part.
Personally, if my DH was struggling to decide whether or not he wanted to be with me & told me he was going to individual counseling to figure it out, I wouldn't wait around. A marriage can only work when 2 people work together. Marriage is not an individual thing & cannot be strengthened when half of it is looking at it on an individual level.
OP'S original posting here on
OP'S original posting here on site stated:
"We're 17 months into marriage, and I still have no emotional attachment to my SS. His presence annoys me, and the every other week he's with us, I feel like I'm simply tolerating him because I have no other choice. He's not even a bad kid, though. He's a bit spoiled and self-centered because he's an only child at both households, but no real problems other than that. I'm just noticing more and more that his presence is a reminder that it's becoming clearer that I don't want a blended family. There, I said it. I want a husband who doesn't have kids so that we can start a truly new family together.
I find myself longing to be free to move back to the town I left, being single for awhile then eventually meeting a man that doesn't have children. This is all I've been able to think about for the past 2 weeks. Before that, I would only very occasionally have these thoughts. "
I seriously don't understand why she married him in the first place. This isn't a 'I'm having issues being a stepmother', it's a 'I want a man with no children, no history'.
This man is on wife #3 (one was a cheater, the second one "a b*tch" to his kid). His wife thinks she may want a divorce because he has a child and she wants a man with no children. She actually wants to move away and be single, but um, may not?
Yeah, lady (OP), go figure it out , but don't stay here (in his home) while you do so.
I agree with Tommar. You
I agree with Tommar.
You had to have had *some* idea of what it was like to be around his kids before you committed to marriage. He had kids then. That hasn't changed. That was the time for you to focus on you & what you wanted.
You're now married & asking someone to hold please, while I decide whether or not I still want you, or whether I want you more than I don't want your kids.
He has children involved. I think it's unrealistic for you to expect him to be a peach while you're deciding whether or not him & his kids are good enough for you. I realize maybe that's not how you're looking at it, but if you turn the tables, I guarantee you that's what he's feeling.
I totally see what you and
I totally see what you and Tommar are saying. Completely.
I was just trying to get the point across on this board and to my husband that we've NEVER actually seriously talked about the family, my role as a SM, how to parent SS, etc. Anytime I've brought it up in some way, it's as though DH just brushes it off or doesn't want to acknowledge that things like this take work and serious conversation. Sure, I made the mistake of not being open throughout our marriage thus far, but I recognized this needed to change, which is why I initiated a conversation.
I just feel that he wants to live in a world of ignorance is bliss and just hope that I we blend seamlessly as a family immediately. As they say, blending a family takes time; it's more slow cooker than a microwave. That's why I wanted to go to counseling. Talking to my DH can be difficult because he is very much a "my way or the highway" type of person. I felt that a counselor would be a good conversation facilitator.
But if you're seeking
But if you're seeking individual counseling, who would they be facilitating conversation between?
You going to individual counseling leaves him out of everything as you carry forward.
I think I left this out of my
I think I left this out of my post, but I DID suggest marital counseling with him first. When he was totally against it, that's when I said I would seek out individual counseling.
Sorry for the confusion. What
Sorry for the confusion.
What I said to him was: "I can't keep burying my feelings and struggles because, without talking about it with you, I stress myself out and wonder if I'm cut out to be a stepmom. I don't want to keep feeling this way because it's not fair to you or SS."
I never told him anything about sometimes wishing I had married someone without kids when I get really stressed out.
He is against counseling and
He is against counseling and thinks it's stupid. He kept saying that when a couple goes to counseling, the first question asked is, "are you both committed to trying to make this work?" And he says that if I'm unsure about my commitment or lack thereof, counseling would just be a waste of time. He made it very clear last night that he does not want to go.
Peony, I suggest continuing
Peony, I suggest continuing this discussion in the biochild free zone. I say this as a biofree SM myself. You may find more understanding there. In your previous post you had mentioned that he basically gave the boot to the last SM for not warming up to his kid. This sounds like he's repeating that MO. He has an unrealistic view of how step-parent/step-child bonding works. I also recommend reading Stepmonster, there is research that shows that biologically/scientifically this bonding is difficult. All I can say from my own experience is that if my DH were basically giving me an out, right now I'd be tempted to take it. I'm not even angry, I still love him, but I believe that I would be happier. I have decided to continue working hard on our marriage and he has put in efforts to do the same. That's where we are right now. But if he were to show the same lack of compassion, lack of willingness to try as your DH, I would take leave and fast. This is not black and white, feelings need to be worked through and negotiated. He is not showing willingness to negotiate with you and help you work through your feelings. He has decided that, as tommar states: "the 2 are connected". It's not as simple as that. Connection does not mean causation, there are other factors to consider. You are doing the right thing by communicating to him, you are doing the right thing by seeking counseling. I truly hope he softens a little and gives you some time and understanding, but it doesn't appear that he is willing to take anything other than: "You will love my kid and submit to step-parenthood without any doubts." Has he even giving you a clear definition of what he sees as the step-parent role? What is he expecting? That last question is not rhetorical, nor sarcastic. Has he spelled out for you his expectations? Take a deep breath, I wish you well.
I am only referring to
I am only referring to understand of the difficulty with bonding with skids. No one is being mean. She has been given quite an array of valuable points of view. I am merely sharing my experience as well.
In answer to your question,
In answer to your question, here's what I said to someone else above:
I was just trying to get the point across on this board and to my husband that we've NEVER actually seriously talked about the family, my role as a SM, how to parent SS, etc. Anytime I've brought it up in some way, it's as though DH just brushes it off or doesn't want to acknowledge that things like this take work and serious conversation. Sure, I made the mistake of not being open throughout our marriage thus far, but I recognized this needed to change, which is why I initiated a conversation.
I just feel that he wants to live in a world of ignorance is bliss and just hope that I we blend seamlessly as a family immediately. As they say, blending a family takes time; it's more slow cooker than a microwave. That's why I wanted to go to counseling. Talking to my DH can be difficult because he is very much a "my way or the highway" type of person. I felt that a counselor would be a good conversation facilitator.
I am a bio-child free SM as
I am a bio-child free SM as well. I certainly understand the emotions that come with it. I always wanted children of my own.
I met DH. He was snipped after SD was born. I put a LOT of thought into this before we married. Obviously it meant that I would never have children of my own. It also meant that I would be committed to another woman's children.
Having been married before, the incredible man with kids trumped the ass with sperm & I've had no regrets.
Not that it hasn't been difficult, but I would do it all over again.
I can tell you that if I'd approached my DH with the idea of me going to individual counseling to determine whether or not I was going to stick around, he would've helped me pack my bags. As a parent, he is not only responsible for his emotional well-being. He is also responsible for that of his children.
Perhaps he does have an unrealistic view of what step-parenting is all about, but turning the tables, I think it's also fair to suggest that perhaps a non-parent (myself included) can have an unrealistic view of what parenting is all about...particularly if they do not have a sincere interest in the kids involved.
I think the only thing that posting in the biochild free zone is going to accomplish is that she'll get more agreement. While support is a good thing, getting feedback from other angles is important too.
What is the hard part for you
What is the hard part for you being a SM? I'm genuinely curious.
I've been around this step crap over a decade. What I've learned is it is not so much a skid issue as it is a DH/SO issue with parenting their kid(s) and lack of communication between the SM and DH/SO.
But maybe that's not the case with you?
This is a great question.
This is a great question. Recently, in a marriage counselor visit that I attended by myself, the counselor asked something similar. He was referring to the 80/20 concept. What is that one thing (20% effort) that would enact the big shift (80% result)? It's a tough one. Sometimes it's just a shift in perspective, sometimes it's an actual change in situation.
What I would appreciate is
What I would appreciate is actually feeling included in everything. Him acknowledging that blending a family takes work. Him asking how things are going for me. But then again, he doesn't co-parent with the BM, so why should he co-parent with me, the SM?
Girl...***sigh*** you've just
Girl...***sigh*** you've just written my feelings down. It's weird seeing them in black and white like that. Thank you
I completely understand. I
I completely understand. I really do.
It appears you are having a DH problem and not a skid problem. Welcome to the club!
Maybe a shift in perspective for you would be more beneficial. Focus more on the marriage and communication issue than on the "being an SM" issue?
No one ever promised that
No one ever promised that marriage is easy, blended family or not. It's a commitment that takes work and sometimes someone else's feelings don't make sense or they hurt. He is basically demonstrating that when the going gets tough he throws in the towel. He is in no way acknowledging her willingness to see her part in it and work on it with her. It is not her who is giving up because it's hard. She's recognizing that she is having difficult feelings, that she may have been wrong in not openly discussing it before and that she may need help to discover what she wants. From what I can gather, he has shown that at the least bit of discomfort, he cowers. For all of the complaining I do about my DH, he is at least willing to work on things (it's his follow-through that lacks). Talk is cheap, and the OP's DH can't seem to even spare a dime of it.
"one night about a year ago
"one night about a year ago when we were hanging out with another couple, the husband (not my DH, but the husband of the other couple) asked how I felt about the my role as a stepmom. I burst into tears as I answered his question, telling them it was truthfully a pretty difficult situation for me. My DH just sat there quietly and listened. After we left our friends' house, he never brought up the issue again."
Do you think this is okay? For you to burst into tears and open up about marital troubles for the first time in front of two of your friends? If I were DH, I'd be mortified, both because my dirty laundry was being aired in response to a small talk question and because you'd have never said a peep to me.
As an adult in a marriage, you cannot continue to not communicate properly. You mention just before this that you'd been telling DH you had no one to talk to, which I take as a passive-aggressive hint that you wanted him to read your mind and ask you to open up to him. You sabotaged yourself with that one.
Here, practice: "DH, do you have a minute to talk? I've got a few things that are on my mind, and I'm not so much looking for solutions as I am your understanding. I just need a little support right now. Okay?" Win/win. He gets to be your hero for listening to you (and knowing ahead of time you don't want him to solve the problems) and you feel validated. Instead, you hinted and then got resentful when he didn't get the hint.
"He said if that's what I wanted then it would be best for me to do it while staying somewhere else because he didn't want to be under the same roof while I was "testing the waters to see if I want to be in this marriage."
I think this is a smart move for him. You aren't communicating well, and you are already acting as if leaving is an option for you. Why the heck shouldn't he also communicate that an unhappy wife who puts leaving on the table forgets that he has a choice, too, and living with an unhappy wife who has put leaving on the table is not something that HE wants to live with? Seriously, a marriage is comprised of two people, and you are acting like you're the only one who can be dissatisfied, and he just has to put up with whatever.
I think this was a fantastic move on his part, because suddenly you're thinking "Uh oh. I'm not totally in control and maybe there are things that I've failed at in being his wife." Because, wake up call, that's true. You're so focused on him not meeting your needs that you've lost sight that he has needs, too.
"For me, it's talking about the SM issues FIRST, but he doesn't see it that way."
Of course not. You're off bursting into tears in front of strangers instead of talking to him about what the specific issues are and how they can be changed to make you happy. It's not like he can get rid of his kids, and you're not giving him anything to work with. Communicate, woman.
"The entire time, he kept a calm demeanor and voice, maybe to make it seem as though he wasn't being controlling and manipulative. He said that should I decide that I'm not committed, then this can be a very amicable split. He said he'd help me move my stuff, etc."
You see a manipulator, I see a man at the end of his rope. Good for him for being classy and keeping calm. Seems you might have stumbled upon a good guy if you would open your eyes to see that. He's not afraid to be a man and have boundaries with you. If he just rolled over and took your drama, you'd lose attraction and respect for him. So, good for him for being strong.
" It is in my nature to bottle things up until I just can't emotionally bear to any longer. Why am I being punished for opening up to DH? Is he offended that I'm not connecting to his son?"
See? Even before I read that I knew that you (sorry) sucked at communicating.
Can you step outside of your own view to think of how the "bottle up and explode" method makes others feel? They feel frustrated and like they are being manipulated.
People are not mind readers, and I'd be super annoyed with you, too, if the first I heard of your struggles was in front of my friends. He felt like he was being manipulated and punished by you. But you are still focused on YOU YOU YOU YOU YOU. Your needs, your needs, your needs. What about your husband??
"Now I'm REALLY not sure if this can work out."
I think it shouldn't if you're not ready to open your eyes and accept responsibility for what has happened and for hurting other people. You are a very passive aggressive person, but you disguise it as being "nice". It's not nice to keep your husband in the dark and then humiliate him in front of others. Your actions, in retrospect, are not very nice at all. But once again, you can only see what he's doing wrong to you. You're struggling, so he should just put up with it and stop doing silly things like having needs while you attend to your needs. That is insane, and you are not ready to be married if you can't see how selfish you are being.
In summary, I think this is a case of focusing on the wedding more than the marriage. You seem to think that rings mean smooth sailing and entitlement toward getting your needs met without expending any effort, and that is not the case at all. Look at you, there are still problems and both of you feel trapped, which heightens the stress.
Stepparenting is hard work. If you cannot communicate well, don't even bother. Did you know that 70% of marriages with kids already present fail? It's because the two adults have to be relationship-skill-masters to get through all of the complications. And you, my dear, are lacking. There is good news in me pointing that out; you're not powerless. You have an opportunity to do better, and perhaps become a good wife and save your marriage.
Maybe he is lacking, too, but I don't see anything glaring from what you wrote. I see a man at the end of his rope who is standing up for himself. I see a man with boundaries for his wife. And I think that makes him a good man, not an emotional abuser. Is he only a good person if he just takes whatever you're throwing out at him? Come on. You would be so un-attracted to that pushover of a man. You've got yourself a manly man, and that is a good thing if you were someone who was able to look at herself and try to do better for the sake of said man.
He is not obligated to put up with anything just because you're married, and good for him to realize that. I think he's trying to get you to wake up in a last ditch effort, and I think it's pretty genius.
I don't know that your marriage is over, but I do know that it will be if you don't start understanding that it is a constant two-way street, and just as you are asking your husband to change the ways he does things to make you happier, he is allowed to ask you to change the ways you do things to make him happier. Why are you so offended at the latter but find the former perfectly acceptable?
Presumably, there are things about this man that you liked enough to marry him. I read one of your other posts, where you admitted that you moved too quickly and now resent that he has a child. While I totally understand that "you knew what you were getting into" does not allow for the feelings to get complicated when love enters the picture, and that, in fact, we don't know what we are getting into, it seems like you are very disconnected from how you feel.
Do you know yourself at all? You strike me as someone who could do better at figuring out what she wants and needs out of life, before she tries to commit to someone. You are someone who needs to become comfortable with self-reflection and communicating the things she discovers along the way.
Perhaps you are not yet at the point where you should be marrying. But you are 30 years old, and I don't think that you should be using that as an excuse. You're a big girl and you can do better. You can try. A good time to realize you weren't ready to be married was before you accepted a proposal. But here you are, and you've done it, and you better bust your butt to make things better instead of just walking away. You said vows. Here are those tough times that those vows addressed. What are you going to do?
You are feeling grief over being a stepmom. I think every single one of us went through some form of "ouch, it hurts that these are not firsts with the man I love." But we grieved that loss and we got through it. You can do it, too. You should! All you have to do is face the grief and get through it. It is in your head; don't fear it so much that you project unhappiness out onto the rest of your marriage.
Tell your husband you realize you're running from some pretty normal grief, and that you are sorry for hurting him in the process. Tell him you want to do better and you want to hear some things that you can work on to make him happier and that make him feel loved and valued. Then take the self-centered nature out of the equation, and LISTEN TO HIM.
A few years ago, I was having relationship problems. I posted about them on a forum where other women handed my butt back to me and pointed out all that I was doing to cause problems and what I could do to resolve it. It hurt. It really hurt.
It forced me to be humble and to consider that I wasn't all that and that my man deserved a woman willing to try to make him happy, too. I lost my entitlement, and I started giving, rather than just taking. And now I am happy, and my man is happy.
So, I hope you see that - while I am being hard on you - it is intended as a wake up call and a gift to you. Perhaps you are right, and you are a victim here and he's to blame for all of your unhappiness, but I seriously doubt it with how many areas I see in which you could do better for your marriage.
If any of this gets through to you, the next step is humbleness, gratitude, and reading "The Surrendered Wife" by Laura Doyle. If you just want to be offended, then, well, I tried.
Great response, very
Great response, very thoughtful. And so kind to share so much!
I think he's basically
I think he's basically telling you that he and his kid are a packaged deal. He's not looking for a partner. He wants a baby momma. I'd have packed my bags that night. HE's making the decision to basically end your marriage and feels he has no responsibility in helping your deal with being a sm. I think he needs time and space to think things through as do you. It's really for the best. Both of you can now reflect as to whether this "marriage" is worth it or not.
I can see both sides of the
I can see both sides of the situation.
One thing that is very troubling to me, though. He claims YOU are not committed to making your marriage work but yet HE is the one who refuses to go to a counselor. WHO is the one not committed??
Even when a spouse says something that you take the wrong way or find hurtful, do you take your wedding ring off? Or do you talk it out until you at least both understand the other person's position? WHO took their ring off? Him or her?
Even him being hurt, yada yada yada, he deals with things immaturely at best. Manipulative at worst. The OP does the same. This is a failure of communication more than anything else.
A marriage is between TWO ADULTS. A person can sure as HELL be married to someone with kids without being a step-parent. We see those posters all the time. It is called being disengaged. I am not saying that the bio will be HAPPY about their spouse disengaging but sometimes that is what saves the marriage.