Single mom...Curious what others think about the label...
It came up on another blog and I am just curious what others think.
I take great offense when a BM tells the world that she is a single mom. She is not if there is a father in the picture. Even if he has visitation, he is there. He is participating. You can not take that classification on. That is for mom's or dad's that the spouse is deceased or one of the parents has abandoned the child. The parent is alone in their raising of that child. That parent has to worry about expenses and college and how they are handling their parenting. They don't get to pick up a phone and tell the other bio that they need to pay this bill or take him for new shoes. It is all on them.
This offended me so much after my husband died and long before I ever got into this stepfamily world. I had friends that were divorced and would whine about it. Sorry - no whining, your child has a father that takes him off your hands once in awhile and sometimes has split custody. No one ever came and spent time with my child to give me a break. I had to beg grandparents for an evening out at the one year mark. Let alone trying to date around the three year mark.
These women get a break and have dad's that want to be in their kids lives. But, because of the court system or some other circumstance they don't get much more than a weekend. But, they are by no means a single parent. Leave that classification for the parents out there that are trying to raise their kids without any help.
This truly offends me and I belong to a young widow group filled with 9/11 widows and about several thousand more and it is offensive to all of them as well. It comes up again and again in those blogs and in group sessions. So this is not just my opinion but an opinion of other parents out there that truly are single parents.
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I agree with you, and I am
I agree with you, and I am so, so sorry for your loss. To me, the term single mom means a woman who is working to raise her child(ren) all on her own. She doesn't have another parent that she can depend on to have her child's best interests at heart, she doesn't have another person to depend on (or even split) expenses for the child. Divorcees who have that other parent that is stepping up and still involved in the child's life are NOT what I would call a single parent.
"If she walked a mile in my
"If she walked a mile in my shoes before I met my DH, maybe she'd be a little more grateful for what she has."
Mazzy, you are speaking my language. I can't even count the number of times that I've said this to DH when BM is bitching about what ELSE she needs him to do!!
It's offensive to you because
It's offensive to you because of your situation, but I disagree with you. A single parent is that, a parent that is singled. You don't only 'qualify' because of death of a spouse.
I consider myself a single mom-just because on ocassion EOW (sat-sun) my ex has the kids and pays CS doesn't mean that well over 90pct of the responsibility falls on me.
Day to day care, feeding them, homework, school events and meetings, taking them to see friends, to events, sporting practices and games, shopping for clothes, dentist appts, take time off when they are sick or have an event at school. I parent over 90pct of the time alone-and am a single parent. I am not re-married, nor living w/my bf either.
I personally take offense to people that try to 'qualify' others hardships and compare them to their own. It's not others fault you parents/grandparents or friends weren't supportive to give you a break. YOU deserved that break. But I think your offense is a little projection mixed with personal bias. Which is ok-because we ALL have our opinions LOL
It's hard for me to see people minimize others feelings/hardships because 'their' situation is 'worse'. You don't really know what it's like for somebody else, it's just your perception and opinion. We feel minimized/invalidated all day in our lives-that is part of life. I think getting angry at what other call themselves because you had it 'worse' is just misguided anger.
Of course their is bias. It
Of course their is bias. It is what it is...But to clarify what you have stated about your situation. You still had someone to hand that child off to on the weekends. You were getting support. He had not abandoned his responsibilities. He may not be FOTY but he was participating.
So this makes me a what,
So this makes me a what, married mom? lol- You can't label something that by definition means 'an unmarried mother' just because you feel it should be only applied to your situation or widows or 100pct uninvolved dads.
You're trying to say that because I only did 90pct of the work I'm not a single mom? Interesting opinion-by I respect your right to have one even if I disagree
That's my point-a lot of
That's my point-a lot of people jump at criticizing others labels or views of themselves when they are NOT entirely aware of their situation, the hardships, struggles or emotions with it.
Comparing our lives with a certain 'level of pain' is just ridiculous. Live and let live.
That is ridiculous she not
That is ridiculous she not even custodial nor has most of the responsibility she is basically a weekend (not sure of schedule) parent.
Me too! Our BM isn't
Me too! Our BM isn't custodial and pulls the poor pitiful me, I'm a single mom. Single, yes, but not a mom other than biology.
She goes to churches and other aid organizations with this act so they'll give her money. Her kids might be thrown out into the street since she's a "single mother". Makes me want to smack her, since there actually are single moms who need the help, not because they're too busy spending money getting their nails done and getting high with their criminal BF.
The wikipedia definition-AND
The wikipedia definition-AND what I believe MOST people hold to is this
A single parent usually refers to a parent who has most of the day to day responsibilities in the raising of the child or children, which would categorize them as the dominant caregiver. The dominant caregiver is the parent in which the children have residency with majority of the time;[1] if the parents are separated or divorced children live with their custodial parent and have visitation with their noncustodial parent.[2] In western society in general, following separation, a child will end up with the primary caregiver, usually the mother, and a secondary caregiver, usually the father.[3]
"That label insinuates that the father is completely out of the picture, either because he is deceased, not known or has abandoned the child." See this is just a different interpretation, that's all. Personally most people I know apply the term to a parent with primary and majority responsibility/custody, as well as widowers or a parent that has NO other figure in their life (this applies to mom/dads). Most men I know think of 'single mom' as a divorced or custodial mother, that is single-in other words they know getting involved if the relationship DOES work they will be taking on a big role and responsibility that normally would be shared with your spouse/father if married. Again-this is the interpretation of everyone I personally know-but opinions differ.
I think it's wrong for women to qualify other womens hardships or positions comparing solely to themselves...whats with THAT victim mentality?
Darling - I am by no means a
Darling - I am by no means a victim. I state that Darling with all the Southern love I can muster...
I just get really tired of mom's trying to make everyone feel sorry for them...When there is another parent involved in the raising of their child.
I think single mom refers to
I think single mom refers to all women who are no longer with there child’s’ father. I am married but I consider myself a single mom to my BS14 because even though my BS14 sees his father once a year I take care of him 99% of the time. I don’t expect anything from my DH and if he does do something for my BS14 I am grateful, but if my BS14 needs anything I am the one that is makes it happen. Is my SS11 BM a single mom? Yes she has my SS11 (her sonn) a greater amount of time then my DH does, he is a parent twice a month. Twice a month he helps out with his HW and parenting. He is a weekend parent. He calls him during the week, but lets be honest it’s not the same thing is helping with hw afterschool, fixing dinner, going to parent conferences, picking up from school, etc. It’s unfortunate, and that is why everyone should think twice before having kids with someone.
Does he provide support?
Does he provide support? Does he have input into the raising of the child...
JSmom - Did/do you received
JSmom - Did/do you received social security payments for your child(ren) as the result of their father's death?
If so, could that not be considered "receiving support" for those children... meaning you do not support them on your own??
The amount I receive is so
The amount I receive is so nominal compared to the amount of his salary. Also, I lost mine the minute I earned over 11K...Trust me the hassle with SS is not worth it...
I have to work in order to support a child. Current DH contributes nothing to his financial needs. Just as I contribute nothing to his kids. BS's father died with zero life insurance, pre-exsisting condition and all that.
Trust me, if SS was all there was as CS for my son, I would have had to give him up for adoption. Rather than make every sacrifice so he can have a good future...
Perhaps I'm confused. Do you
Perhaps I'm confused. Do you mean you lost your wife's survivor's benefits after you earned >11K? THAT would make sense. Your son would be eligible to receive SS until he turns 18.
If your XH made a decent salary, the payments shouldn't be nominal... if my XH keels over, I'd get >3K a month for our three kids.
I guess it seems rather contradictory to state that if a "single mom" receives support, then she isn't "doing it all on her own," YET you receive(d) money for your child, too, and consider yourself doing it "all on your own."
I receive social security for
I receive social security for my 2 kids. I receive nowhere near 3k. Not even half that-my dh died rather young and he was self employed to boot-so he did not pay all that much in-so what we have received over the years is helpful-but truthfully is nowhere near what his salary was.
I thought she said that if the father provides support and helps in other ways-obviously a dead father is not taking visitation-not helping in any sort of way-not even having telephonic contact with the kid. Of course she was a single mother.
I understand what you're
I understand what you're saying. Even if you receive $800 a month for two kids, that sounds like an almost normal amount of CS depending on incomes...
I guess I just don't see why we care what others label themselves as... I agree with Overit2, live and let live.
Not even close...Really are
Not even close...Really are you aware of how much SS is?
We care because it diminishes the sacrifices that real "Single Parents" have to make. And not a BM who get CS and has a dad in the picture...
That comment was for the
That comment was for the poster receiving SS for TWO children. I believe you said you only have one with your deceased husband.
Wow, your last line really bothers me. Who are we to say one person's sacrifice is greater or less than another person's? Is it possible that it could be MORE difficult if the other parent is still alive than if they were dead? (I believe that is true in my case; my XH has done nothing but cause immense pain to our children.) How can you stand and judge that YOUR sacrifice as a married, former widow is MORE than my sacrifice? That seems really arrogant to me.
Well, I think I'll just agree to disagree. If you think you're a "real single mom," even though you're married and collect $ for your child, then so be it. Different opinions make the world spin.
I agree, jsmom-you're comment
I agree, jsmom-you're comment about 'real single mom' is just arrogant and rude and full of self-pity honestly.
Yes, I receive CS for two kids-a whopping $500 a month-with about 2-3 years in arrears that I haven't nor will bother going after. Nor the half of co-pays/prescriptions/one sports activity/summer camps allotted by decree.
I'm sorry but just because your dh died, you received SS and did it ALL alone doesn't make YOUR sacrifices MORE or long suffering then what others endure. HOW MANY of us honestly say we WISH bm was out of our lives entirely then deal w/the madness...you can't judge someone elses pain, struggles, or what they call themselves. Awfully arrogant.
Court has ordered to pay
Court has ordered to pay support but, up to this day he has not he is 28k in arrears, if he wanted to he could provide input, but he does not. But if he did I would still consider myself a single mom I single handedly help with is HW, take him to Doctor Appointments, Buy his school clothes, cook his meals, discipline, balance work and mom duties. If it's a Wednesday and my BS14 acts up I can't tell his dad please you handle it like I can with BS05, who I do give to my DH to handle at times. Even married I consider myself a Single mom of my BS14. If my DH drops my son off to school I appreciate it as a favor because he does not have to do it wants to do it.
NOT to mention that the
NOT to mention that the entire time we have the kids we have to play both mom and dad roles for them because lack of parental invovlement w/the eow disney dad.
And honestly if you open a thread asking for opinions then it would mean to me you are open to hearing others opinions as well-not just those that agree with you?
Court has ordered to pay
Court has ordered to pay support but, up to this day he has not he is 28k in arrears, if he wanted to he could provide input, but he does not. But if he did I would still consider myself a single mom I single handedly help with is HW, take him to Doctor Appointments, Buy his school clothes, cook his meals, discipline, balance work and mom duties. If it's a Wednesday and my BS14 acts up I can't tell his dad please you handle it like I can with BS05, who I do give to my DH to handle at times. Even married I consider myself a Single mom of my BS14. If my DH drops my son off to school I appreciate it as a favor because he does not have to do it wants to do it.
SORRY THIS IS BEING POSTED IN THE INCORRECT SPOT, I THINK IT'S A PROBLEM WITH LINK. I MEANT IT TO BE A REPLY TO JSMOM QUESTION TO ME.
That's my point-my exh
That's my point-my exh doesn't do homework or anything else other then some fun stuff EOW-and typically does not even call in between those times-he also does not spend the time he is allowed on holidays, summer, school breaks-his choice.
My bf DOES do a lot more with SD then my ex does-but I still think of BM as a single mom-a SHITTY single mom but she still is one lol
A single mom is one where the
A single mom is one where the birth father is not living in the household.
Sometimes even a single woman with children would not necessarily be referred to as a single mom if the paternal parent has always lived in the home. I lived in a state with common law marriage for many years.
Any woman not living with the parent of her child (children) but having custody of her children is a single mom. Not a reflection on the involvement of the father. Anyone will admit that living alone with a child is differnt than livng with the father no matter how much time he spends with the kids.
But you get a break...That is
But you get a break...That is the point. A truly single mom, does not.
Any parent, mom or dad,
Any parent, mom or dad, married or not, can "get a break." They simply hire a babysitter.
Or give to grandparents.
Or give to grandparents.
Oh that is hilarious! No way
Oh that is hilarious! No way in hell would my son be left with a baby sitter. I think I tried that one time and it didn't go very well. There is some family around that can be persuaded if absolutely needed. He went everywhere with me when he wasn't in school or after care. That was my job...Not some baby-sitters.
Then you chose not to have a
Then you chose not to have a break. That was totally your choice to make, but no one forced it on you. Did your son never spend the night at a friend's house? Go to grandma's? Nothing, ever?
My children aren't small now, but even at ages 7 and up, they had sleepovers.
Ok so you are complaining
Ok so you are complaining that others 'get a break' from parental duties when YOU did not, BY CHOICE.
I know MOST intact homes DO hire sitters, family, friends and exchange help w/the kids to get a break. THAT is what healthy people DO, you chose not to and now seem bitter about it and upset at those that do. Makes no sense.
You COULD have taken breaks-you're not soleley the judge of who is a singel parent because you chose not to take breaks.
We are humans and women also- you are not SOLELY a mother-mothers have human needs.
I have NO problem admitting I enjoy the breaks-when the otehr 90pct of the time i'm doing duty for TWO (mom and dad for them) and take ALL responsibilities-I feel no guilt enjoying that time for myself. Sometimes I see a friend, or simply spend time w/my bf-othertimes I organize or clean house, run errands I can't during the week, organize paperwork bills, or watch lifetime or chopped if I want to. Again-you CHOSE not to take breaks for whatever reason/excuses...doesn't give you the right to say other FULL TIME PARNETS w/EOW visits are not single parents because they didn't do it 'your way'. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but I am pointing out that your position seems somewhat hypocritical, judgmental and arrogant.
"but it seems to me that when
"but it seems to me that when i signed up for kids, i signed certain parts of my life away. i am 1,000% against pawning my kid off on anyone else. period."
I think this is an unhealthy approach-and WHY you are about to lose your mind. Find balance. OF COURSE as parents you WILL be sacrificing MOST of your time, it doesn't mean ALL of it-nor should it be all of it. Find time to nurture yourself, there is nothing wrong with it
The problem with martrys is they are all dead
A lot of people are so passionate against the 'village' mentality-when the REALITY is most communities/cultures/countries that use this method have healthier lives, parenting, children, social bonds, structure and emotional well-being.
No man is an island-we need others-humands need others- YOU need others, if YOU are depleted from GIVING all the time you will have nothing left to give-you will not do a good job. MOST societies recognize the importance of family/society in shaping our lives, our childrens lives.
Coaches, teachers, uncles/aunts, grandparents, siblings, friends, co-workers, church members, whatever it is. Expose your kids to others, they will benefit from it, and so will you. Being so closeminded and centric leads to a lot of problems-I really think this country has gone SO far from normal because we have this notion of independence from others to the point we don't even have a community.
With this came the fall of marriage, relationships, children/parents relationships. We as people need eachother. You are NOT only ONE entity, kids deserve more exposure then to just us. It's healthy gals, it really really is.
I get a little annoyed. I was
I get a little annoyed. I was truly a "single mother." My DS's father fled the state when DS was only 6 months old. He never got in touch with him again until he was over 18...and then only by FB.
PB considered HERSELF to be a single mother. She even signed up the skids for the Big Brother/Big Sister program! I am a huge proponent of this program but NOT when it interferes for visitation with AN ACTUAL PARENT!! Yes, that's right. She would keep the skids home from visitation with DH because one of them would have something planned with their BB/BS.
I didn't even start receiving CS until DS was almost 10! PB has been receiving CS on each skid as early as she could....INCLUDING when he was living with her and the child/ren! By the time he is done paying CS, it will be over 19 years total.
I just always took it to mean
I just always took it to mean an unmarried, single woman living with her children. She is single. She is a mom. To me, it doesnt particularly make any sort of statement about where dad is, if he's in the pic, if he lives down the street.
I was a "single mom"-my first dh died when my kids were 2 and 9 months. However, I take no offense if some unmarried woman with kids wants to refer to herself that way.
Personally, I don't think
Personally, I don't think anyone should get their panties in a bunch over titles people chose to use.
Girlfriends, live-ins, and "significant others" are TECHNICALLY not a stepmother. However, many women in those circumstances call themselves stepmothers.
How is this any different?
When I got divorced, I had primary of my kids. XH saw them sometimes, paid CS sometimes, nothing consistent. I think I qualified as a single mom. I do everything for them.
Why do you care what term I, or someone else, chooses?
LMAO about sums it up then
LMAO about sums it up then
Just for reference, I get NO
Just for reference, I get NO assistance from biodad at all. No child support. No visitation. The ONLY thing he contributes is heartache every year or so!
That being said, I don't take "offense" when someone else believes they are a single mom.
So he works and provides for
So he works and provides for his family? He comes home at night to sleep in bed with you? You are a family, do family things, MOSt moms do end up with the biggest chunk of child-rearing by default.
As it was I did practically all the parenting, worked, even WHEN I was married also. BUT it's not the same as not having an extra pair of hands, eyes, voice to speak out for you, an extra income, an extra prescence w/the kids.
Honestly I think people that never get breaks from their kids are kind of odd....most of them have very cold relationships w/their spouses. I've seen it. It becomes entirely CHILD CENTRIC to the detriment of their emotional/physical/mental well being and that of the relationship.
Most normal people strike a balance always. For couples it's dad takes over so mom can do something and vice versa...or they ask grandparents to come over, a sitter, a family member or kids might have a sleep over. Kids need to interact and interact w/other members then mom/dad. Builds social skills (only interacting w/two personalities-BORING)-how to play w/other kids, listen to other adults.
My parents raised us-my mom didn't 'work' but yet her and my dad even though they spent a LOT of time with us did NOT shy away from making time for thesmeveles, trips, date nights. We stayed w/trusted sitters-sometimes we'd visit family. Kids need all kinds of people in their lives. It's honestly VERY unhealthy to have an approach of 'me and dh only will ever be aroudn the kids'. It's not pawning them off to do something for yourself, why the martyr status-to claim "I DID THIS ALL ALONE NOBODY HELPED ME I HAD THEM 24/7". It's just not healthy.
Couples (normal ones) find time to be away from the kids by enlisting a sitter, an older sibling/niece, grandparents, friends--single moms find time for themselves, a new relationship, to do errands, to see friends EOW. Single moms that have NO dad in picture do and SHOULD count on finding ways to properly take care of themselves-and that means adult time for whatever you wish to do-it's not wrong, it's wrong NOT to IMO. A balanced WOMAN-makes a balanced wife, mother, daughter, friend.
I would like to add my 2
I would like to add my 2 cents. I was a single mom with my BioDs, who are now grown. That was a very hard time for me. No help 24/7 365 days a year. My kids wents with out ALOT because I counldn't afford to give them some of the things they needed. That being said. My DH and SS, BM is NOT single Her oldest son 13yrs is in his dads custody. MY SS is in his Dads custody. Son #3 is with BM and Looser Dad. But all we ever hear is how hard life is on BM raising 3 kids by herself. WTH! All she has to do is pick them up every other weekend and drop them back off. And go to some sports avents. Remember this BM no asked you to have kids by 3 different men. Then you wouldn't have to drive all over two countys EOW. Oh and I should add BM that you no longer have to drive but in 1 county because your visits with SS are now SV and 2 sat. a month. But your to sorry to even do that.
i was a single mom to bd16
i was a single mom to bd16 for the first 10 years. her POS "father" went to prison until she was 4 1/2, i was on my own. he went in before she was even born. then he got out and hadn't matured or learned anything at all. he chose to go live his life of crime and repeatedly impregnant people, while i took care of bd alone. he paid no cs and never came to see her unless it was to show off a new gf to me, and that only happened a few times. he has not been a part of her life, neither physically nor financially. he has not been there in any sense of being there.
when she was 10, i met fdh. he has taken over the fatherly duties to her, for the most part. he leaves the discipline up to me, but he takes care of us and provides for her. so i am not a single mother anymore. he however, used to refer to himself as a single father, even though bm had full custody of sd and he only had her eowe. that one never made sense to me.