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9 year old girl drama and BM

dogmomiseasier's picture

I've been with my bf for 3.5 years and as his daughter is getting older she spends more and more of my bf's set times still with her mom.  BM lives 3 houses down from us.  Yay me.  Bm seems to do little to no real parenting with 9yo.  She doesn't have a bedtime there, she does here, we make her do her own laundry, clean her bathroom, shower, unload the dishwasher, brush her teeth.   Things any 9yo should know how to do.   9yo has recently developed a skin condition and needs to use a special soap and use hydrogen peroxide to clean areas with.   I went in her bathroom to get more toilet paper and discovered used cotton balls on her sink.  I sent a txt to bm and bf with a picture asking bm to send her over to clean up her mess.  It clearly doesn't teach her anything about cleaning up after herself if we do it for her.   Side note- she's such a dirty little girl it's disgusting.  She cries when I tell her to go take a shower.  She's afraid we're going to miraculously do something fun without her.  No, we'll still be sitting here watching tv.   Go.  She has to be reminded to brush her teeth.  She just doesn't like to.   I told bf about a year ago she wasn't even brushing with toothpaste.  I found clumps of it in her sink.  Can't even bother to wash out her sink.  I'm so glad we have separate bathrooms.  Anyway we're having to reach her things she should have learned by now.   I'm shocked that of the adults in her life it wasn't even her parents that figure out all the things she's doing or not doing.    They (bm and bf) have their head in the sand and o feel like I'm the one raising this kid.  I feel like she has a learning disability because she's in 4th grade and has horrible spelling.  I asked bf if she's ever been evaluated for dyslexia.  He said bm took her in for adhd which the doctor confirmed but bm doesn't want her daughter to be drugged up so she's on nothing.   I feel like that explains her inability so sit still and focus!   Bf won't do anything about it.  Bm is the one that takes her to the dr, it's not my thing.   Bm had 9yo in therapy because she wanted 9yo to be able to talk to someone.   The therapist would let her draw while they talked.   She's so self centered all she did was make portraits of herself.   She a addicted to being the most important person in the room.   We have one of those electronic picture frames that pictures are constantly changing, she cried to BF that there weren't enough pictures of her.   When I first met bf and until I moved in and took them all down, the only pictures in the house were of 9yo ages of birth through 3 when bm and bf split.  It's like he never changed anything.   I thought it was creepy how the house was a shrine to her and aided in her "look at me" complex so I took some down and put up generic wall decorations.  I had told bf prior to doing it and he said he didn't want the house to feel like I'm just living in his house and to make it feel like my own.   I decorated for Xmas with 9yo (6 then) and we took her pictures in the kitchen down and replaced them with Xmas decorations and in ever put them back up.  I've slowly removed all her pictures and replaced them.  To be fair, why would you keep pictures on display that are 4 years old?   We took a "family picture" and some other candids and we have those on display so that it doesn't feel like I'm removing her.   What I'm trying to do is remove the feel of BM from this house.   They still have 9yo birthday party together, which was weird but it's 9yos bday who cares.  We've done this 3 years now and I've HATED it.   Since this was bf and bm's house she knows where everything is. At the bday party she just walks into the kitchen and gets plates and silverware and a freaking spatula to dish the cake out with like this was her house.   It made me so uncomfortable.   I've hated this house and her ever since.   I told bf they can continue to do the party because it's not fair to 9yo but he needs to remind bm she's a guest in this house and we can take care of getting supplies.
9yo has no care in the world and makes a mess when doing arts and crafts and just walks away.   I've been on her ass so much lately about cleaning up after herself.   This whole covid has my patience running on a 6 and the second I hear her voice it's an 8.   She's just so lazy because bm does everything for her and the baby talk makes me want to pull my hair out!!   When I correct her to talk like normal she pouts and doesn't know what I'm talking about.   When I tell her to chew with her mouth closed bf sees that as me picking on her.  No I'm trying to teach her manners.   I'm the one that would do homework with her and I've been making spelling lists with her after looking at her journaling for school.   I don't want to give up on her because I feel like bm and bf are already absent from her life other than supplying food and shelter.  Bm wants to be her friend and bf doesn't seem to know what she should be doing at this age because "we were raised in a different time".   Dude, she shouldn't cry at every request to do something she doesn't like.   Is the crying, lack of vision for messes, chewing with mouth open, baby talk, lack of hygiene all normal things for a 9yo girl and of yes- at what age do they grow out of it?   I'm losing my mind with it all.  

 

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ndc's picture

I suspect it's not that your BF doesn't know what 9 year olds are capable of - it's that he's a lazy parent and doesn't want the hard work and conflict of parenting his child properly.

As to "normal" 9 year old behavior - I have SDs 4 (almost 5) and 7.  Crying - SD4 cries too much for my liking, SD7 almost never cries, and only over huge things.  Lack of vision for messes - seems pretty normal, neither of the SDs cleans up messes without being asked, but when asked they'll do it.  Chewing with mouth open - both need reminding from time to time.  Baby talk - occasionally when talking to their baby sister, never in the ordinary course.  Lack of hygiene - absolutely not.  Both of my SDs bathe regularly, wash their hands, brush their teeth, etc.  If it's not normal for what I consider to be typical 4 and 7 year olds, that stuff is not normal for a 9 year old!

This is your BF's doing.  He is not properly parenting his daughter.  She's not going to develop good habits and behavior if he doesn't insist on it and deal out consequences when she fails to behave properly.  

dogmomiseasier's picture

Sadly, I do feel like he's a lazy parent.  If there's something he wants to do he will make it happen.    If the weekend will take him away from his daughter he doesn't care.   He used to ask me to watch her until I finally told him she's not my responsibility and he needs to realize that.  He got really pissy at first but let it go.  SD looks like BM and I wonder if that has something to do with it, but that's pretty shitty if that's the case. 
 

thank you for confirming some of the behavior is normal.

tog redux's picture

I'd have a hard time being with someone who neglected his daughter in that way.  I feel sad for her - she's going to have a hard life. There's not much you can do about any of this if her parents don't care enough to do it themselves.

SteppedOut's picture

This. It's not normal in my opinion, but seems more common in children of divorce. Not so much because the kids are traumatized, but because the parents become lazy and/or more involved in rebuilding their life. 

tog redux's picture

I think mothers get blamed more for this kind of neglect (as in this post) and men get a pass because they aren't expected to be active parents.  When they are, it's considered unusual instead of how it should be.

SteppedOut's picture

True also. It's easier to kick the blame to the parent someone is not in a relationship with. 

dogmomiseasier's picture

True.   I'd never thought of it that way.   I'd always seen her not wanting to parent and trying to be her friend as the problem, but taking a step back that's exactly what DH is doing by not parenting.   That leaves me (current state) as the one that calls out the behavior and attitude.   I used to think he was one of the parents that just couldn't see fault in his own child.   Well he can't but it's because I now think he doesn't want to be the bad guy and discipline. 
 

you guys give me a nice second perspective.  Thank you!

ndc's picture

I don't disagree with you that mothers typically get the blame, but particularly in 50/50 situations, the behavior of the kids when they're in dad's house rests squarely on dad.  You've said many times that your SS behaved well because your DH parented him.  There's no excuse for any man who has some custody of his kid NOT parenting that child.  My DH isn't the best parent in the world, but he at least tries, and I refuse to let him use BM as an excuse, ever.  

tog redux's picture

I totally agree. Just seems like men get a pass for being lazy parents and all the blame is heaped on BM.

In the end, though, my SS turned out lousy because BM's permissive parenting won out. BUT, at least DH knows he tried.

Lady.Tremaine's picture

You are such a sweetheart caring that much about this kid. I'm in a similar situation but here's what I'm personally trying. I'm failing but you may do better

When SD makes a mess- say nothing . Do nothing. When SD doesn't shower - say nothing do nothing

If your DH doesn't step up at that point I'd leave. The kid is their problem. Even if you want to help is it worth your happiness to keep playing maid and dealing with DH and BMs lack of boundaries.

If you do stay with him I'd say maybe convince him to move ? That's too weird to live in a house where BM has once lived and now lives too close. A fresh start elsewhere could help. I'm not saying move states away but maybe a five minute drive away. 

dogmomiseasier's picture

I've tried to step back and she just becomes complete chaos.   He seems oblivious to her attention grabbing behavior and it's usually something that drives me absolutely bat shit crazy and I brake.   I've tries going up to our bedroom or somewhere away from them and he'll come up with no idea why I don't want to be around them.   I've pointed out the same problem so many times I just can't anymore.   
 

We've talked about moving away from this house and building a ranch style but he wants to wait until sd can drive so we don't have a to drive her to BM.  I'm slowly feeling like I won't make it to that point.   

Thefatherismyfamily's picture

I can feel your frustration. You're doing a lot for her. I can only imagine how difficult it can be. I keep thinking that it might help for you to step back and let dad do the caretaking but I imagine it's super difficult right now with everyone having to be together in the same space for so much time during this time. 

BethAnne's picture

Sounds like quite a few of theses traits are exageraged because of her adhd, the others (including self centeredness) are normal for a child. If your husband will not learn about adhd and make adjustments to his parenting and home to help and get her professional help with her adhd, I am not sure I would stick around. I could not respect a man who doesn't get his child the help she needs to help her cope with her mental illness.