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the Great Cleaning Caper

CLove's picture

Ok Steptalkers, Im putting this out there because its been growing on me like moss on the proverbial rolling stone...

What are your thoughts on skids cleaning their rooms and linens?

I ask because I TYPICALLY just ignore if the door is closed. It TYPICALLY doesnt bother me.

I generally NEVER go into SD16.5 PS's room. If I dont see it, it doesnt exist for me.

However that recently has changed. As many do, I have that internal count-down clock of age-out, and in anticipation have been reading reddits and posts and comments on here about this "18 and aged out" syndrome we go through, even with bios. Ive already put this to Husband this afternoon (12:00 pacific time) and asked his thoughts on the whole room topic. The way I see it is "if it affects me then it concerns me", and I am affected by SD's messy room for the following reasons:

1. Its a biohazard and not a healthy environment. I cannot recall the last time her bed linens were washed, and I bought them 2 years ago, for her.

2. Its space I work to pay for, its not rented. I dont even get payment in the form of helpful labor.

3. When she does age out, and decides to live elsewhere full time (not that I am concerned for her future housemates...) I dont want to get stuck with the biohazard super fund site-type mess like I did with her sister SD23 Feral Forger (who is still mad that I "touched her stuff").

Imagine if you will a canopy iron bed frame with lovely lights and some garlands of fake vines... with mattress and linens that used to be white and are now a golden brown, in spots, a path from the door to the bed, and a semi path from the door to the lizard cage where the resident dragon lounges in all his stinky glory, and everywhere but the bed is piles of clothes or boxes or bags of trash or "stuff", and the dresser has piles of "stuff" and the closet cannot hold all the "stuff" because instead its housing stuffies large and small.

What say you? Because I have been bitten by the spring cleaning bug...

Comments

SteppedOut's picture

That is disgusting and that your husband allows that kind of crap screams "shit parent" to me. 

Yes, you have every right to go nuclear about nastiness like that in your home. 

 

ndc's picture

It sounds like everything in there is ruined and disgusting anyway, so you could go on with the status quo.  However, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect linens to be washed and a room to be "reset" once every couple years (major gag just thinking of the filth!), even in a skid's room.

What did your husband say when you raised it? 

Most important,  do you have a firm understanding with your husband that Backstabber/Powersulk is OUT at 18 when she finishes high school? That's where I'd spend my time and effort - making sure that happens. 

 

CLove's picture

Im fond of listing.

1. I mentioned my concerns and he got a bit of an attitude and just said "ok".

2. Nope, no one has mentioned a single thing about any kind of plans for "after age out". Ive got my own plans, once she turns 17 (may) and she will hopefully be getting a (paid) job. And Ive got my own plans for things at that point.

I dont expect her to be prepared to move out. So I am preparing myself to prepare her...

AgedOut's picture

I'd start making little comments alluding to a smell in the house. then I'd ramp it up until I reached the  point of "hon, we need to do something about that smell coming out of your little poopsiekin's lair. Even the dogs are starting to gag near it." 

 

 

CLove's picture

I texted him and he had a bit of an attitude.

But, I can either pursue it or let it alone. My big concern is that she will be helpingme on household organizing and cleaning projects.

JRI's picture

I had 5 kids living here and now that they are adults, 4 of them have moved back for various periods with spouses, kids and pets.  I did not and still do not clean for them  (DS and DIL are here often for her medical appts).

I know they had crappy rooms and I know when some lived here as adults, it was sub-par.  I've always had so much other stuff on my plate, I just haven't had the bandwidth to beat my head against this wall.  Plus, frankly, I didn't want to know more about their private habits.  Back in the day, I sometimes hired cleaning help to shovel out.

Did it or does it matter?  As adults, they are all living decently.  As each moved out, I cleaned anyway for the next use of the room.

My experience was that age 18 was no magic date.  I'd hate to see you disappointed if you're counting on big changes then.  Good luck.

CLove's picture

This superbowl weekend its supposed to rain Saturday and then footballing Sunday. I am going to be working on many household cleaning projects, and SD16 Power Sulk will be helping me. I was just planning my activities around her either being available or unavailable (saturday school, 2 more absences this past week) to help me. Her room would need to be completed either before or after my household cleaning projects. And shes at her mothers next week. And I want to get it done before she goes away.

CLove's picture

Yeah. She NEVER handles him and hes gotten quite aggressive.

Ispofacto's picture

Killjoy's room was like that and I didn't care, I couldn't smell anything bad coming from there. I was annoyed that we ran out of certain dishes though, when the policy was no eating upstairs. I got my dishes back when she moved out.

 

CLove's picture

Thats why I am SO DIVIDED!

One the one hand - if I dont see it it doesnt exist. Ive got a lot of other things I need to waste my energy on.

One the other hand, however (reference list)

Shieldmaiden's picture

My mother was certifiably insane, but she got a few things right. One of them was "You are responsible for cleaning your own room. It can be messy, but not a biohazard." This means no pet vomit, pet crap, stinky hamster cage, rotting food, spilled drinks. or 2 week old dirty laundry. 

I would suggest enacting these rules. If you are worried about your mattress in there, you can strip the bed and wash the sheets, but leave them in a folded pile on the bed. This way she can get used to putting her own sheets on the bed. Otherwise, I'd let her stew in her own juices. My sd's never left old food in their rooms, and generally kept them clean - except they wouldn't empty their trash (old tissues, maxi pads) and they wouldn't wash their sheets -EVER. The current ones are a year old. The ones at the old house were 3 years old. Gross! I would tell them it helps to prevent allergies if you wash your pillowcases and sheets regularly, but they'd rather be lazy and complain. 

I'd say, once the grossness starts to affect you or your home or your furniture - then its time for them to them to get to cleaning!

 

CLove's picture

Im not going to worry too much. Just have everyone on the same page. "your rooms not done yet? oh well, lets get started on these household and yard work projects!"

CajunMom's picture

If these things were happening in my home, I'd be single. I grew up in poverty but one thing my momma said was, poor don't make us dirty. She kept a clean home and yard and we had chores and were expected to help keep OUR home clean. In my adult life, I raised two kids and their rooms were kept clean, and they both maintained their rooms as they got older. When DHs kids started coming here, that was one of the FEW rules they were to maintain...cleanliness. 

My personal opinion....this is my (ours) house, you having a private bedroom is a privilege.  Act like it. I have no problems going into bedrooms of MY HOME to clean when it's not to my standards. If you don't want me in the room, then make sure when I open the door for "clean check" that is IS CLEAN.

I'm probably the odd ball with this mindset but I don't care. I simply cannot live in nastiness, not to mention the pests that kind of living brings into the home. 

EDIT: I'm not talking about kids being messy as in leaving clothes, toys, books on the floor. My kids were free to be kids but with limits on uncleanliness. No one in this home slept on sheets for two years without washing  them. Or left dishes in their rooms long enough for mold to build up. Wow. I can't even comprehend those things.

CLove's picture

Bad models. Im a messy testy but I like and enjoy clean. And Ive kinda reached a point whereby "sure its her space" but c'mon!

Right now Im plotting how summer 2023  is going to go.

Livingoutloud's picture

I am a clean freak but I managed to raise a messy kid.

She was a messy kid, messy teen and is a messy adult. Not filthy per se just messy. World doesn't end. The way she manages it now, they have a cleaning lady every other  week. It makes a big difference. People find their ways to manage their lives. Llo I was sure my DD would remain messy and she did. But their house looks nice. So that's that. They'll find the way. They enjoy other things in life more than cleaning 

of course if there are bugs crawling outside her door and it smells it's bio hazard. That might need to be cleaned out. By your DH if she refuses 

Aging out isn't a real concept. Even if they move out, they are still your kids. That doesn't change when they turn 18. Most 16-year old kids have no exact plans for what happens after school: local college, out of town, work, army. Too early for definite plans 

 

CajunMom's picture

I have two bio kids, both adults now and independent. One is a neat freak like me, the other not so much. And now that they have their own homes, they can do as they please.

I'm not saying my kids had to be to the standards of my somewhat OCD cleanliness but they were taught to change the sheets on their beds at least every two weeks and not leave dirty dishes in their rooms. Sheets not changed in YEARS??? OMG. Can you say gross and also unhealthy??? Clothes on the floor? Books and toys left out? No biggie on those things. I'm talking the filth I see people have to live with due to SKs not being taught the basics of CLEAN. If I had to live like this, again, I'd be single.

CLove's picture

Messy tessy.

I also go shopping resale and hoard purses.

Im not expecting super clean, but her clothes on the floor havent been laundered. Add the sheets.

And no food is allowed in rooms. Super hard no on that.

CLove's picture

They age out of being required to move between houses. Then "the talk" happens like what are the plans and ok thats your plan, well here are the expectations. OF COURSE they will "always be your kids" no where did I say Im kicking her out.

She will be 17 in a few months. Time to start thinking what shes going to do with her summer other than sit on her a$$.

Livingoutloud's picture

Yeah these talks need to happen with parents. What can you do if your DH doesn't care? Now her dirty sheets or clothes aren't really something for you to worry. If her clothes isn't laundered then she'll wear dirty clothes

food in the room is a bio hazard. What goes DH say about it? 

 

CLove's picture

we have a hard fast rule of no food and eating in roms, dining area only.

He got defensive and when she came back from hanging out somewhere with her friends, somehow told her I was going to help her clean her room. I cleared that up however. I no longer will do that. She didnt want it anyway. My priority isnt her room, its helping me with the household projects.

If she wants to stay living in MY house, the talks will definitely have to include ME as well.

Cover1W's picture

I had a bad situation in OSDs room (she was then 12/13 but it started back when she was 11 in our former residence). Basically she was allowed to do what she wanted - ultimate issue was with DH.

BUT that said, once it started to effect me, as in I could smell her room with the door closed while I was on the way to the laundry room, that's when I went in and discovered dirty dishes and utensils, cups/glasses - many moldy. All over the place AND trash everywhere. Her dresser was empty but for more dirty dishes and trash. There was moldy rotting food in containers in her closet, in bags, UNDER a shelf. Her sheets were horrendous (months and months w/out washing).

So I simply gave an ultimatum that if the room wasn't sufficiently cleaned up by X date then I would go in and clean it up myself and no one else then had a say. We have rats in the vicinity, mice, and of course ants and other bugs. NOPE. Not in my home. And I will not live with or around filth. I had to discuss this ONLY with DH - HE got the ultimatum. He did not make sure OSD understood or even talk with her about it. Total avoidance. So I trash bagged everything that wasn't in a reasonable place or looked filthy. I did not clean up her sheets or vacuum. I think I took somewhere between 4-6 bags to the garage, which, per my convo with DH was to be gone through by the two of them and properly sorted - HA!  Didn't happen. She started using those as her personal storage area. So I trashed it all. Eff them. And I did it one more time. And I didn't give two XX's any longer. Still don't regret it.

There is a difference between messy (OK) and filthy (not OK).

CLove's picture

SD23 Feral Forger was disgusting. SD16 Power Sulk isnt as bad, but her room is bad right now. She claims its because she has no where to put her clothes (she has a closet full of stuff and she puts stuff not clothes in her dresser).

Not my issue.

And she doesnt want my help cleaning. And Husband never gives timelines. I guess we will have to see what happens this weekend.

Survivingstephell's picture

Your solution is simple. No WiFi password until her room is cleaned.  I'd also find the pet a new home.  That's ridiculous.  
 

I have a dust allergy and I might close off a room during a cold spell but it still gets dusty and works it's way into the heating system and eventually affects me.  My bd13 knows this and knows I will take the electronics if her room gets out of control.  She has the last of the carpet in the house.  
 

I really think you have a case, and I would suggest this as a father daughter project .  Make the reward for getting it done attractive to both of them. Write your expectations out, a checklist maybe, so they can understand and achieve your goals.  
 

I do wonder just how much more of this crap you can take.  It seems as if you are living below yourself.   

 

CLove's picture

Kiddo went out with friends last night and is in her room as of now (9 am ). Its going to be fun to see how things work out. I am claiming her time to help me with household projects...

SteppedOut's picture

He's gone fishing...again.

Does HE ever help with household projects?

CLove's picture

With my blessings.

He does in fact clean a lot.

Ive got an update...

Livingoutloud's picture

I think if he intends to not be available for the entire day he either has to cancel custodial time for those days  or take her with him. Sometimes being gone is fine but if it's a regular thing then I'd not be sitting home dealing with sulking angry SD.

I think the first "aging out" thing that should happen is if DH has SD over he must do things with her or take her with him or she goes elsewhere. She shouldn't be hanging out if dad isn't even there. In absence of custody agreements (after 18) these will be visits. You don't invite people for visits and then leave. It's rude.
 

I think that something you need to start discussing now. Honey when custody rules end of course SD will still be coming over to visit. but only if you are here or if you go somewhere she is to go with you. If she comes over, I can't be in charge of entertaining her. 

Winterglow's picture

Couldn't agree more.

CLove, you've been used for years as a nanny and verbal punching bag so that your SO can live his life in peace. Don't you think it's time he started to assume his role as father? 

Rags's picture

Spawn clean. Regardless of what flavor of spawn or whose spawn they may be.

They get age appropriate chores that they perform. Period. Dot.

These are not compensated nor are they punishment. They are the spawn's contribution to the home and family.

No discussion, no debate. They do it, or they learn the conneciton between poor decisions and escalating abject misery.

It is called... parenting. Or at least a part of parenting.

If we had disrespected our home the way your StepSpawn has, we would have learn the fine trade skills of flooring, carpentry, spackling, painting, laundry, furniture repair, laundry skills, cleaning skills, organizational skills, etc... Our parents would have been so pissed about that disrespect to the home they provided that we would have been restoring the entire structure, the grounds, etc... as an abject lesson in the consequences of idiocy.

Time for daddy to get his heat out of his own ass and put his boot up the ass of his failed family spawn.

Grrr.

I am angry for you.

Make your Spring activity supervising DH and the nasty SD as they restore your home.

CLove's picture

I helped my dad build a deck and stain it.

I always helped clean and do laundry around the house.

Unfortunately I was a messy tessy (like my mother) and we had someone help clean weekly, but I was responsible for a lot. Skids never have had any chores. Husband blames it all on Toxic Troll (the messiness) because she was not a clean person.

 

Livingoutloud's picture

Yeah they like to blame their exes. My DH does that too.
 

When the kids are in HIS house then not having chores in HIS house has nothing to do with BM. BM doesn't live in your house.

And if he can't make kids do things, then he needs to take care of it. I had hard time making my Dd to clean her room. It was a constant battle that I often lost, but I can't imagine marrying a man and making him responsible to clean my DD's messy room. Why? 

this stuff makes he mad. SD is a pig. DH wants to blame BM. Who cares who's to blame. He can't make her clean, then he needs to clean her room because it upsets you, his wife, if it stinks and is a bio hazard. 

as in 99.99% of the issues this isn't skids issues. That's a spouse issue 

CLove's picture

Which is why I am needing him to step up. It just always creates confliict.

Livingoutloud's picture

That's who he is. He won't change. That's why there is a conflict. You either leave or accept that's who he is. Either ignore dirty room or argue with SD and him. It's a toughy. I was in a relationship with someone whom I needed to change and this way or in that way. In a long scheme of things it didn't happen. Didn't change. People don't often change. 

floralsm's picture

Sorry you deal with this Clove. I shut the skids doors too and think hmmm is it time to address the stank room?? I can't understand how some of these young adults/ late teens do not care about their linen? I love the feeling of going into bed with fresh sheets and it's gross knowing all the sweat/dead skin/bacteria live on your linen when you don't wash them.

I think when the skids are of age I'm designating them a wash basket each and placing it infront of their doors and say 'it's linen wash day'. If they want to live in our house and capable of washing their own linen then they can live by our house rules. If they don't I'll tell DH they can't sleep under our roof until they clean their rooms/wash their linen. Go back to BMs sty if you want to live like a pig.

That was how I was brought up. My parents expected me to do my washing and linen and keep my room in a clean state. If I didn't live up to these house hold expectations then I would be looking to move out basically. It taught me how to respect my parents and also myself. 
 

What's hard for us steps is having this expectation backed up by our DHs. If they don't back us up with this then skids are just going to not listen to us and live like pigs. I can't count how many times I used to nag the skids about picking up after themselves. I see their shoes, dirty socks, plates, rubbish, ect on our lounge and I want to clean it asap. Now I throw their shoes and dirty socks out in the hallway right where DH has to step over it. I nag DH now about their dishes and make it his issue which he hates and he tells them off. 
 

Goodluck with the dragons den, lazy teenagers are the worst and I'm dreading having to be firm about the same thing in the future. 

CLove's picture

But when I focus on things and spend the time I actually enjoy cleaning and organizing.

Too long I have let things slide. And Husband seems like hes just given up. But then he complains about it. "I dont want anyone over, its too messy!" Certain places are indeed messy (bedroom) but in general things are tidy.

I watched as SD23 Feral Forger stank up her room. It was so foul. I did the clearing, and Power Sulk saw what I could do and enlisted me twice to help her. Not now. Shes needing to grow and learn and this is an important part of that.

missgingersnap2021's picture

My experience with SD (now 18) I guess would be considered hard-ass right out of the gate. From the minute we bought this house and started living together as "one big happy family" (HA!) I set ground rules. Her bed was to be made every morning and her stuff was to stay in her room and not be strewed all over hte house. Each year as she got older more and more was expected. At first I did her laundry. Then I expected her to do it. I would clean her bathroom. Then she had to start cleaning it herself. 

I made her wash her sheets. Allthough she still only did them like twice a year. With 8 sleepevers a month that equaled every 7 weeks of her sleeping on them they would get cleaned (I do our sheets once every week) 

My attitude was always - My house. My rules. I was lucky inthat DH feels like me and like a neat clean house. 

 

Winterglow's picture

None of that seems particularly excessive to me. OTOH, your DH should  have been doing her laundry, not you.

missgingersnap2021's picture

He always offered but I didn't mind doing it. Once I decided she should do it herself she was fine with that. DH tried to do it a couple times but I stopped him. 

ESMOD's picture

I believe in things being "sanitary".. but they don't have to be "neat".  So.. a little dust.. fine..  pile of clothes she picks through. fine. she doesn't make her bed.. fine.

Plates with food and glasses half full of soda/juice? not fine.  Animal cages not kept in a healthy state for their residents? not fine.  Unwashed sheets longer than 30 days of residential use (this is fairly extreme. I think10 days if more reasonable for fairly regular use.. or less) or piles of dirty clothes where the smell permeates to outside her room.. Not Fine.

But.. is she expected and does she know how to use the washer? does she have more than one set of sheets.. so she can strip the bed.. make it.. and wash the sheets that were on the bed?  (timing.. she may not have time to go through the whole cycle.).

And.. consequences should be fairly appropriate.. if she is neglecting the cage.. that animal finds a new home.  If she can't keep her room clear of dirty dishes.. she loses permission to eat or drink in her room.  She loses ability to go to friend's house.. use internet.. if her bed isn't stripped and washed.. or if the stench of unwashed clothes comes out of the room.

BUT.. these are not your issues to deal with.. they are her father's.. he needs to care enough about his home..

and.. to be clear... while you are both paying for the home.. he technically is the one whose side is payingfor his daughter.. if you are subsidizing HIM.. that is not her fault.. she is reliant on her father to support her.. she owes you no gratitude for putting a roof over her head.. that is her father's responsibility.. and he should be thanking  you

Livingoutloud's picture

Yeah we can't expect kids to be grateful for us housing them. That's just a given that they are provided with the place to live. But if you feel you spend too much like buying her things for her room and buying her food and you feel it's too much and you resent it, I'd bring it up with your husband and he'd need to pay for these things. But other than that as a minor child that's where she lives and she doesn't owe gratitude for that. Where else would she live? Its parental obligation to house and feed their children.
 

 But your DH should help more around the house and be grateful when you do things for SD and he should demand she does this or that. Maybe not necessarilly scribbung and declutering cupboards but she needs to be responsible for her room, her pets, her laundry and things like dishes, take trash out etc Dad needs to tell her and if she doesn't listen he needs to deal with it. Not you. Same like it used to be with her grades. Not for you to worry about. Her dad. If he doesn't care, well why would SD care?