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Welp, Cat is Out of the Bag

CastleJJ's picture

DH talked to SS9 tonight as usual. Everything was good and SS is so excited to see us in 3 weeks. About an hour after the call, BM emails DH requesting a change in the visitation schedule for February 2022 to accomodate SS' basketball schedule, which we received today; we are supposed to have SS for President's weekend every year per the court order. This works out better for us because my due date falls over President's weekend, so if baby came that weekend, SS would have likely been staying with my parents that weekend anyway. 

DH and I talked it over and we decided to tell BM about the pregnancy now and loop it into the conversation about changing visitation. It's not like we could ignore that email for 3 weeks until we told SS the news and I felt it was better to get ahead of it now, rather than deal with the fallout later. DH wanted to make it clear that he is not eager to change what is court ordered, since granting flexibility with BM always bites us, but that due to this extenuating circumstance, it works better for everyone involved this year. So DH called BM on the phone and explained. BM was shocked. GF was visibly/audibly upset (I heard crying). BM barely said anything about the pregnancy/baby and immediately went back to the scheduling details. DH made it clear that we are telling SS about the baby in person at Christmas and he requested that they not say anything; they said they won't. DH said that BM may be terrible in just about every way, but she generally keeps her word about that kind of stuff. I am hoping he is right, since usually, BM cannot be trusted. 

So after discussing scheduling details, BM offered us "like time" during BM's spring break this year, which was surprising. DH proposed the same number of overnights with the same exchange times as President's weekend to occur over spring break to serve as make-up time and BM accepted. BM then went on to offer additional days over spring break to use as "flex days;" basically we take time over BM's spring break as an advance on our summer visitation and then flex/reduce our visitation that number of days in the summer to accomodate SS' sports. BM thought this would create less conflict with summer scheduling. DH declined the additional days over spring break because he knows that taking any sort of visitation "in advance" will come back to bite us later on down the road and will only make scheduling summer visitation more complicated/high conflict. DH and BM will schedule summer visitation when the time comes. So DH sent all of this information with a detailed outline of the proposed schedule changes/dates/times to BM via email and DH made it clear, in writing, that this "swap" will not impact any future court ordered visitation and BM cannot come back during our spring break in 2023 and demand half, since we took part of hers as make-up time. BM agreed to the proposed changes to the dates and times and confirmed that this swap won't interfere with or change any future visitations. BM thanked DH for letting her know about the news, congratulated us, and said that "SS will be so excited to have a sibling," which is oddly nice for BM. 

So far so good. I am on guard waiting for the other shoe to drop, but like DH said, BM really doesn't have anything to communicate with us about prior to Christmas break and BM made it clear tonight that Christmas visitation is set in stone, so hopefully our baby news will just fade into the background for a while. Then after Christmas, since we won't be seeing SS in February, we have very little to discuss until spring break which is end of March. BM did ask DH if our hospital had visiting protocols for SS to come meet his sister; DH said "No visitors," truthfully blaming COVID restrictions, but also knowing that I don't want to see BM, GF, or SS during that time. Fingers crossed that BM is actually being civil and this whole thing will not blow up exponentially in our faces. 

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strugglingSM's picture

I'm sure BM will have some sort of moment over your baby, but maybe your SS's excitement will keep it in check (this baby will be his sibling and he may not take kindly to anyone, including BM, saying anything mean about the baby). I honestly think that's helped us. At first BM (who we did not tell in advance of telling SSs as they are teens), tried to cage rattle and she's even tried to use our daughter behind the scenes as a bargaining chip for more money (all shot down), but overly dramatic SS is smitten with his sister, so she has to tread lightly, at least around him. I'm also glad that your DH said "no visitors" for the hospital...talk about a nightmare to have BM there right after you've given birth. BM cage rattled about SSs coming over to see DD immediately ("they need time to bond with their sister) as if she had some sort of right to dictate who came into my house in the middle of covid after I'd had a c-section. Then both SSs waltzed in and said, "mom says we can stay overnight." Fortunately, DH said no way, because I was in no state to have them stay over. I'm sure our next hurdle will be BM crying that DH won't pay for SSs to go to college because of our daughter, when really DH put money away for them and BM "needed it" so she liquidated the accounts. MIL has already told SSs that "their inheritance" will be smaller because they have a sister and "your father needs to realize he has three children" when we didn't go to the outing she planned because it was not suitable for an infant, so she called BM and took SSs herself...she's about as much of a charmer as BM.

CastleJJ's picture

Yeah I am glad that DH said "No visitors" as well. Luckily, with BM and SS living out of state, it would be hard for SS to visit spur of the moment or just "drop by". With this new schedule change, we will have SS for three days when our baby is at least a month old, depending on her arrival, so that will be the perfect time for him to meet her without having to wait months until summer visitation. 

I fully believe that BM will attempt to use our daughter as a bargaining chip. DH does not plan to let that happen and has already informed me that he will put a swift end to that if BM attempts it. DH said that just because he has legal and biological claim to SS, doesn't mean that BM has any claim to our daughter and he intends to make that clear if needed. 

tog redux's picture

People who alienate think everyone else is alienating too. My guess is that she sees this as a way to try to lure SS to want to live with them. Sounds crazy, but the number of times BM accused DH of alienating for normal life events tells me that's how they feel. 
 

Also, GF may want her own baby and BM says no. Can't imagine why they didn't assume OP and her DH would have some kids eventually. 

CastleJJ's picture

I think it is the second one. GF has been saying for years that she wants a baby with BM and she wants a family with BM. GF is the type that needs commitment and so far, BM hasn't committed; after almost 6 years together, there is no baby, no marriage, heck not even an engagement. During a mediation session almost 4 years ago, BM blurted out to DH that they were getting engaged. Well, it's been 4 years and even that hasn't happened yet. BM keeps stringing GF along on promises that DH believes BM has no intention of keeping. BM is very non-committal and an opportunist; she likes to keep her options open and run away when she has gotten what she wants from the situation. DH suspects that BM is using GF to raise SS (since BM doesn't want to) and to financially gain from GF's hefty six figure income, but that BM will likely leave GF when SS ages out. 

DH and I have been together for 9 years, but we met very young so we wanted to take our time to have kids. I am 28 and DH is almost 30. I think BM and GF saw us "taking our time" as not having kids. BM even brought that up a few years ago in our court battle, claiming that I was infertile and "playing house" with SS and DH to fill that void. Nope, not infertile, just wanted to make sure all my ducks were in a row first. I think BM and GF thought they were in the clear after 9 years and SS would be our only. 

I have noticed for a few years that GF has significant insecurities around her role in SS' life. She wants a nuclear family with BM and struggles with the fact that she isn't a blood relative/parent to SS. GF has definitely assisted in the PAS in the past, but I think to try to make herself feel like more of a "parent." That is why GF has fought so hard to be listed as "Parent" on SS' school records and why she steps up so much to parent SS because BM doesn't want to. I think it is also why GF tries to force SS to call her "Mom." GF is always trying to secure her role in SS' life and always fighting to portray that perfect "nuclear" family image. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I feel sorry for the GF, as it sounds like she is in a toxic relationship and is being used and strung along. But, understanding and sympathizing doesn't mean you have to put up with her sh!t. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

I can't imagine being upset if my ex got his gf or wife pregnant. ETA to me that goes to show that the issues people who post here deal with are not "normal". These are not mentally healthy people. 

LittleCloud9's picture

Amen

Nea

 

lieutenant_dad's picture

Not that I want to give GF too much credit here, but I can totally understand how someone could/would be upset to hear that the ex got knocked up if you're already struggling with not being able to have kids of your own. I know I'd probably cry a few bitter tears if ET got knocked up while I'm struggling with infertility, and I know I got jealous of folks who got pregnant when I was married to XH because he kept waffling between yes and no. Him finally settling on "no" helped kick me out of the door, but it wasn't the sole reason I finally left.

If BM has been stringing GF along with promises of babies while really hyping up GF as "the other mom", I can totally understand why GF cried. Could also be that GF has been trying to get pregnant but can't (or knows she can't and the appeal of BM was that she could, so she is using BM for her uterus while BM use GF for money and nannying).

I'm not justifying GF's alienation tactics or overall behavior at all. However, when you want kids and can't have them - whether it be situational or biological - sometimes you get a gut punch you weren't expecting when you hear someone else - especially someone you have painted, or have had painted, in your mind as a "bad parent" - is having a baby.

Again, not a justification for other behaviors, but definitely seems like a genuine reaction (and BM's shock could be because now she feels she has to commit and deliver on promises to GF to keep her happy).

Aniki-Moderator's picture

I hear you. To me, it's akin to my crying when friends announced pregnancies/births for months after my miscarriage. 

CastleJJ's picture

Oh I felt bad for GF. GF has made our life increasingly difficult since getting with BM. She has aided in the PAS and involved herself in BM's abuse of DH, also attempting to abuse DH herself. With all that being said, I don't wish ill on her. 

I can't imagine the position GF is in. BM and GF asked me about 3 years ago if DH and I planned on having kids. I really didn't give them an answer because it wasn't their business. GF then went on to say that she couldn't wait to have a baby with BM. BM was stern with GF and made it clear during that conversation that BM would not be carrying any more babies and that if GF wanted a baby, she would have to carry it. Whether GF has infertility issues or not, is none of my business. I know that being a same-sex couple also adds its barriers to parenthood as sperm donation and IVF are expensive. It isnt as easy as hooking up and hoping to get pregnant. I know that finding out that DH and I are pregnant was a shock and likely a gut punch, since I'm sure GF wishes that was her and BM making that announcement. 

I know that if BM and DH had SS and DH told me "no more kids," I would have been devastated and likely would have ended the relationship. It would have made me feel second class because DH cared enough to have a baby with BM, but wouldn't have one with me. Maybe GF is feeling the same way. BM has made it clear that she is perfectly content with just having SS, but I think GF is still holding out hope. Honestly, I hope BM delivers on that promise for GF's sake. 

Aniki-Moderator's picture

No kids would have been a deal breaker for me. Unfortunately, psycho exh lied and agreed to one (all I wanted). After my miscarriage, he said (while drunk) that he was glad I'd miscarried because he didn't want more kids and would have seen ours as a mistake he'd have to live with. 

tog redux's picture

Makes sense, my sisters felt that way when struggling with fertility.  But it seems odd that she'd do it so obviously and immediately that they could overhear it on a phone call. 

lieutenant_dad's picture

Eh, sometimes it hits when you don't expect it to.

I just ran into that a few weekends ago. Friends that went through fertility issues the first time but were successful with treatment (we're actually using their doc because they were successful) announced they were expecting and didn't have to go through treatment this time. I was happy for them, but my mood soured immediately and I was in an angry funk the rest of the night. I made it through losing three embryos last month without crying or beating myself up, but hearing someone else who had struggled get pregnant again without trying hurt like hell. It's certainly not their fault, and I gave them a proper congrats this past weekend, but my first reaction was immediate and unrelenting.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Damn. I guess in that position, dealing with infertility, hearing about any pregnancy would be difficult. What i meant was i couldn't imagine being upset that my ex, who i have children with, was having children with someone else, therefore unseating me as the "mother of his children." I have no attachment to that title or status, and don't relish using it as a means for control or money like some people you read about here seem to. Infertility is a whole different thing and i don't wish that on anyone. Esp you, LD, as you are more qualified to be a parent than most parents out there and have sacrificed so much for your SSs. 

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Also, i think there's a special place in hell for people who expect their partner to put up with their kids and ex while denying them children of their own. If that's what this GF is going through then i hope she leaves BM and finds a true partner. 

thinkthrice's picture

BM telling SS the InStAnT she got off the phone that CastleJJ is pregnant.  Scenario (GF continues sobbing) 

BM to SS: "Don't you want to know why GF is crying?"

SS: "Umm I guess."

BM:  "It's because CastleJJ is having a baby so that you won't matter anymore."

 

Ispofacto's picture

100%

MissK03's picture

100% Agree it's going to come out. Especially since GF is upset. BM and GF will probably get into a fight that SS has the potential to over hear too IF BM doesn't tell him directly.

advice.only2's picture

I'm sure it's kind of a relief to not have that hanging anymore now that it's out in the open.  I really think once your BD arrives all the BM nonsense really will cease to be as important and it will really only flare up and bother you when SS is getting ready to visit...at least that's what I really hope for you and DH and SS.

thiscantbenormal's picture

BM here acted friendly over our pregnancy announcement...but true to her form, anytime she's nice to your face she is plotting to stab you in the back.....turns our she was psycho dialing CPS during my pregnancy trying to get leverage for another emergency custody request. CPS felt a case was not warranted so she got one of the SD's to claim she would kill herself if they had to continue visitation with dad. She pulled this stunt when our daughter was a 1 month old. With the years of nonstop false abuse allegations, we dropped the rope to protect our daughter.

BM didn't want DH to have more kids. And she is the type that she is h*llbent on punishing someone who doesn't want to be in a relationship with her.

I am relieved they don't come around b/c my SS is a terrible person and abusive to younger children.  And it keeps BM from meddling in our household and calling CPS when she or the kids don't get their way.

I hope she keeps her word on letting you share the news but I wouldn't hold my breath.  And I agree, it sounds like BM's GF is struggling over not getting to have her own child.

 

CastleJJ's picture

I am not holding my breath and fully anticipate the other shoe dropping. I know that when BM is friendly, she is generally up to no good and I fully anticipate the same this time around. I can only hope that she will keep her word, but fully expect her not to. DH and I will deal with that fallout with SS if/when it occurs. We just did the best we could with the situation given the cards dealt.