SS13 Finally Went Home
SS13 finally left on Monday to return back to BMLand after 4 weeks straight of visitation. As previously posted, SS escalated things, texting BM and GF, talking trash about me and DD3. He then texted them again a few days later, claiming that in that moment, I kept looking over his shoulder to try to see his phone password and attempt to read his messages, despite the fact that I was in a work Teams meeting in another room for the afternoon. When BM and GF asked SS to call them to discuss it, SS said he couldn't and that DH was requiring him to take all calls in the living room, in front of DH (which was another lie), and that he didn't feel safe or comfortable here. BM told SS she would address that with DH after SS returned home. BM and GF remotely changed SS' phone passcode and things seemed to simmer down with SS after that. We did realize that SS does not reach out to BM for anything, rather reaches out to GF for everything. Every call made, every text sent, every question or need for support from SS, was sent directly to GF. Hell, SS told us that it was GF tracking our location via SS' phone, not BM. No wonder GF feels superior in the parenting role. DH also realized this is why they are so up our butts constantly is because GF is trying to gain control and is projecting her own insecurities about not being SS' actual, biological parent.
I mostly avoided SS for the rest of his visit, leaving the house with DD3 to spend time with my parents, to see friends, and to just be anywhere that wasn't home. DH requested 2 weeks WFH from his boss to ensure I was never alone with SS, which was granted. I did constantly redirect SS back to DH - want a snack, ask your Dad, want to do something, ask your Dad, etc. That was a major learning curve for SS, as he usually comes to me for most things and I think he was surprised by my disengaged attitude.
The final week was a little better. SS was less of a PITA, but still did what he could to cause frustration. DH and I are always careful when discussing "adult" topics because SS views himself as an adult (since BM and GF treat him like an adult) and he likes to interject his own thoughts and opinions, despite knowing nothing about anything. I asked DH if he saw the news recently (referring to Iran) and DH confirmed he did. SS then started pestering us about what we were talking about. DH told him it didn't matter, nor concern him as he is a kid. SS then proceeded to turn on the TV and go straight to the news channel, bantering with the news anchor like he knew anything, but was completely wrong on everything. DH walked over and turned the TV off.
A few days later, we were at a cookout with a friend's family (our friend is in his 40s). He told us he sold his boat. SS had the audacity to ask him "how much did ya get for it?" Our friend looked shocked but also knows how SS is. Before DH could say anything, our friend said "SS that is highly inappropriate. Kids don't ask adults about money. Hell, adults don't ask other adults about money." SS tried to argue but DH gave him a stern look, so SS rolled his eyes and walked away. We of course apologized. SS then took DH's expensive prescription sunglasses off the table, putting them on and strutting around the yard while glaring at DH and smirking, trying to demonstrate that he was in control. DH walked over, ripped the glasses off his face, and told him to "knock his shit off or he would be leaving the cookout early."
When SS was packing up some items he brought from BM's, he came downstairs stating he lost a shirt. He described the shirt and DH and I both said we don't recall seeing a shirt like that anywhere. We had done dozens of loads of laundry and our home is quite organized, so we would have found it, especially if we located every other piece of clothing he brought, down to the socks. We fully believe SS thought he brought the shirt from BM's but never actually did. SS tried to say that he remembers wearing it to our house on Day 1, which is ironic since SS can't remember what he ate for breakfast on any given day. SS went into a full panic, demanding we either find this shirt or pay to replace it. DH told SS "No," that SS is old enough to keep track of his belongings. SS dug through every laundry hamper, every closet, etc. looking for this shirt. SS called all the family members we visited throughout the month and nobody saw this shirt. When BM arrived to pick SS up, DH explained that SS *thinks* he lost a shirt here, and despite attempts to find it, it wasn't located. DH told BM if we find it, he will mail it to them. BM told DH she wasn't worried about it and in the same breath, SS goes "yeah, I'm not worried about it either. The shirt was getting small anyway and I was probably going to donate it soon."
Finally, over the weekend, we were trying to figure out dinner plans. I suggested pizza and DH was onboard, but SS kept demanding Chipotle. He wouldn't let up so DH said "fine" and took him. DH doesn't like the taste of cilantro - says it tastes like soap, but DH has never been to Chipotle, so he didn't realize all of their food options were cooked heavily with cilantro. When DH asked the server if anything didn't have cilantro and the server said "No", SS glared at DH and smirked. Once they got home with the food and I saw it had cilantro, I asked DH why he ordered it. DH explained it. SS started dying laughing saying he suggested Chipotle to DH, knowing it all had cilantro and DH didn't like it, and knowing that DH had never been there, just to piss DH off and essentially screw him over. DH was pissed and told SS that in the future, we pick the restaurant and SS either eats or he starves. SS was smug with a look of pure satisfaction for the rest of the night.
I asked DH on Sunday night if he was sad that SS was leaving on Monday and he said "No" and that honestly, SS' personality is that of a mini-BM and a mini-GF: entitled, superior, arrogant, etc. making it so hard to be around him since he is so different from our values and personality. DH said he would never agree to a 4 week stint again.
BM arrived to pick SS up. She refused to make eye contact with DH and refused to acknowledge DD, despite DD3 saying "hi" several times. DH hugged SS and told him we would see him at Christmas. BM interrupted and eagerly told DH it would likely be Labor Day first. Our CO says we get Labor Day if SS does not have sport commitments; we have only had him for Labor Day once in the 8 years he has lived in BMLand and typically BM never confirms visits until a few weeks before. We don't even have a sport schedule yet. DH didn't acknowledge BM's statement, said goodbye and shut the door. DH came in laughing, saying "Does it seem like BM wants to be rid of SS?" It definitely seemed eager to us. I'm hoping Labor Day doesn't happen and Christmas is the next time.
Oh and as of this morning, BM still hasn't emailed DH about SS being told to take calls in the living room, so either she realized it wasn't true (because SS took FaceTime calls in multiple places) or she forgot (highly unlikely). Typically, BM fires off her allegations within 24 hours of SS' return home. Hell, typically she returns home by 4 p.m. and DH receives an email by 7 p.m. same day. If DH doesn't get something by tonight, I would say we are in the clear. DH also decided not to email BM about the tracking, despite us having an email drafted. He documented everything related to it if we ever need it, but he figured tipping his hand that we know would result in GF ramping up tracking measures via airtag, burner phone, etc. (she is just that crazy) and wouldn't actually fix it. Instead, DH will be dealing with SS directly, in our home, on these issues and will stop the tracking from happening.
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I know this is probably a
I know this is probably a dumb question but when SS admitted he chose Chiplote knowing his Dad would end up not liking it, why didn't Dad call him on it? "So you deliberately suggested something because you knew I wouldn't like it and you did it only to be a rude jerk? Why SS, why would you do that? Now you no longer get to have a choice in where we eat. "
DH essentially did that. I
DH essentially did that. I guess I didn't clearly spell that out in my original post.
The games SS plays is so
The games SS plays is so similar to the games SD does when she's with us too. I also directed all her questions to 'ask Dad'.
Definitely SS has PAS especially with the shirt scenario. All of a sudden not caring when BM wasn't phased but stressing about it incase she did actually care. That's PAS damage all over.
It always frustrated me how they forget/not care about the the things we bought them and they leave at BM's but stress over and remember everything for her house. One time SS even remembered a stupid container lid that I found got stuck in the dishwasher. Oh but he forgets to give DH our copy of $100 school photos we ordered 6 weeks ago and still sitting at BMs house.
Enjoy the time off now from having 4 weeks straight of SS!
Yep
OSS practically turned our house upside down looking for "missing socks." The Girhippo is a slob and let laundry pile up on the floor or stay overnight in the washer until it soured , then threw it in the dryer and baked the mildew smell in!
Little brat
That boy is turning into a little brat I couldn't stand to be around him.
This kid sounds like he's
This kid sounds like he's really testing all of his limits. Which unfortunately is made easier with the PAS on the other side. He's very lucky to have you all as family and just doesn't realize he's blowing a great thing.
The next time that
The next time that disrespectful little shi'thead visits, DH needs to treat him like a 5yo and not allow him to make ANY decisions regarding food and fun. FAFO
That's absolutely the
That's absolutely the approach that DH plans to have going forward. SS will be told what to do and when to do it. He will not be given a free for all/adult seat at the table like he gets at BM's.
I misread GF thinking she is superior parentally as "paternally"
A Fruedian slip maybe.
I asked DH on Sunday night if
Before I read this, I was thinking: This kid is a MiniMe. I'm so glad he is out of your home! Hurry up and make alternate plans for Labor Day and Christmas. *biggrin*
*EXHALE* you made it! Now
*EXHALE* you made it! Now take all of your energy and focus on your little one and pregnancy. Continue to disengage during the Christmas visit. Let DH coordinate any "family" activities that you might want to do. Don't deprive your bios if SS doesn't want to participate. Still plan on doing all of the fun "little kid" stuff! Santa visits, decorating gingerbread houses, Polar Express, etc. SS doesn't want to join or tag along? OH WELL!
Well....
he sure has become one litte azzhole. I think the PAS has been amped up and being done more by the GF. It's almost like she's his BFF, with all the calls and texts. It would not surprise me if the restaurant "trick" wasn't something discussed between him and the GF. It was so pre-meditated. And it was mean and meant to cause pain. As for his interaction with your friend, kudos for him in speaking up and your DH, once again, putting the 13 year old in his place.
Everything you and your DH did was perfect....you keeping your distance, your DH correcting SS quick and fast. I also hope the Labor Day visit doesn't happen. You guys do have the power on this one and can simply refuse due to you just going through childbirth. When he is with you again, I'd stick to all those boundaries you spoke of in other posts. That phone stays with the Bm/Gf or if it comes to your home, it's turned off, put in a safe place and returned at pick up. At that point, your DH can clearly tell the BM about the constant tracking of SS and while that's their business, it is NOT their business to track you, your child(ren) and him.
Sadly, with what i know about PAS, I think future visits will become less and the ones that do happen are going to be more stressful due to the PAS. Definitely keep them short and do your best to not be alone with that kid. The restaurant episode would have me on guard....for a 13 year old to be that purposeful and hateful.....no telling what he could do or say. I might even install cameras in my home, just for when he visits.
So sorry you are deaing with this, Castle.
Actually, if any visit
Actually, if any visit shouldn't happen, it's Christmas. I'm due with baby girl #2 in early December.
DH can ship SS some age
DH can ship SS some age appropriate toddler toys... *diablo*
The beauty of being the NCP is that there is no requirement to
The beauty of being the NCP is that there is no requirement to take a visitation, or any visitation for that matter.
While the CP is obligated to care for the child if the NCP refuses visitation.
Likely not a popular position, but the NCP pays the CP and should demand a return on that payment. The CP is paid to care of the kids. When a noxious CP has PAS'd a kid against the NCP, I see nothing wrong with the NCP making it clear that the CP can STFU and do what they are paid to do.
Refusing visitation with a noxious PAS'd spawn with a clear message as to why while making it clear to the CP that they built the problem, they can deal with it and while making it clear to the kid that the CP is a noxious manipulative POS who is costing the kid a relationship with the NCP including any benefit in travel, resources, etc... that is present when visiting the NCP.
Facts. They work.
I agree with everything you
I agree with everything you wrote. I'm glad you brought up the restaurant episode. Something that calculated and mean borders on (or crosses the line of) sociopathic behavior--and it would make sense that it was pre-planned with adult advice. Sick.
I love the ideas of the cameras.
Lol BM emailed DH, but not an
Lol BM emailed DH, but not an email blasting him like we were expecting.
BM emailed to inform DH that GF signed SS up for football camp that starts next week and that GF is taking SS out of town to visit her family for 4 days this weekend (without BM). Again, GF is doing all the parenting.
LOL and now GF emailed DH, so
LOL and today GF emailed DH, so I guess she is part of the co-parenting communication now. She took SS to the dermatologist for a first visit, so she was providing DH with the dermatologist's name and their treatment plan for SS' dry skin.
SS has been home 3.5 days and so far GF has signed him up for sport camp, taken him to the dermatologist, and is taking SS out of town alone this weekend for 4 days. Must be nice to be BM with sole custody and hefty CS coming in each month, but no parental responsibility. No wonder GF thinks she is superior to DH and SS' actual parent. In reality, she is just being used.
That's part of a carefully
That's part of a carefully crafted strategy to become the primary parent/caretaker and turn SS into a codependent person away from BM (and also you guys)
GF isn't doing this out of "love, care, concern" lol
Have you watched "worst
Have you watched "worst roommate ever" on Netflix? If not season 2 episode 1 reminds me of GF... give it a watch.
Yep. GF is BM's beck and call girl.
The GF is triangulating.
The GF is triangulating. Usually the triangulating person's next step in that scenario is PAS
I noticed that your SS has very high anxiety about stupid things (like the shirt incident) and I believe GF is the one who creates that. BM probably doesn't care about the shirt but GF will frame it as you guys being evil and SS being a victim of losing the shirt but he can't help it because you guys took his stuff and are so mean...BM won't even blink or be involved in their little masquerade
When it's all said and done, GF will cause the downfall of your husbands family and there will be broken bonds (SS might even PAS against his own mother if GF decides to turn against her)
I feel bad for you and your husband but also SS who, although he is very annoying and know it all as well as constantly seeking validation from GF as a "victim", seems to be well meaning in some instances. I believe the Chipotle incident and shirt are triangulation from GF to make your husband pay back for the allegations made by SS about the phone...
GF is a piece of work...
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What I really want to know is: how do these people manage to brainwash the skids so effectively into full-blown PAS?
With my DH’s two, it was like they were loyal cult members—silent, secretive, protecting BM no matter what.
What is the mindset behind this? How do they think?
It’s been almost a year since YSD completely PAS-ed out, and let me tell you—post-PAS life for stepparents?
It’s heaven on earth.
If SS ends up completely PAS-ed out, you might finally get some peace, too.
I honestly believe that on some level, these skids do know right from wrong—but like the old Native proverb says, every person has two wolves inside them:
One good.
One bad.
And whichever one you feed... that’s the one that grows.
Nurtured by those twin Harpies, SS has been feeding his bad wolf a steady diet—while starving the good one. And that’s on him.
He could’ve chosen not to go along with their program. Could’ve jumped ship and stood by his father.
But that didn’t happen—and probably never will.
Because deep down, he identifies more with the Harpies than he ever did with his dad.