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capp1978's picture

Ok so do I have a right to feel upset?  DH & I have joint checking/joint savings/credit cards.  I handle all the finances in our house and I work very hard to keep everything in check.  DH insisted on having CASH to buy Xmas gifts for me so he didn't have to charge my gifts b/c I would see the charges.  He took said cash but still charged ALL of my Christmas gifts.  When I asked him where the cash went to he says he bought SD a gas card for Xmas and then gave her some cash for Xmas on top of the items he purchased for her with the credit card.  He said the rest of the money he just blew but can't tell me where he blew said money.  He said probably on going out to lunch and stuff.  I asked him why he insisted on having cash for my gifts yet he charged all my gifts and used the cash for SD's gifts?  He can't answer that and says "I'm bad with money which is why you handle the finances." 

I refused to buy SD's gifts this year due to her lack of respect and her attitude toward me.  When DH was going out shopping he asked me how much did we spend on SS.  I told him We spent "X" amount of dollars he said oh that's good b/c that is about what I spent on SD.  Now that I'm questioning where that cash went to he's telling me spent way more than he originally told me he spent.  I asked him why he would tell me one amount and when I question him where the cash went he tells me an amount much higher.

I can say with 100% certainity that I trust DH & he's not cheating, drinking, gambling or drugs.  But what I don't trust is that SD is getting the cash and DH doesn't want to tell me.  SD works for DH and I just wonder how much money he is giving her daily.  

To add on:  Yes I do work, I make more money than DH.  So it's not just DH's money that he would be giving her, it would also be my hard earned money.

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simifan's picture

I'd be livid. He's hiding something. I would also take the same amount of money out of joint checking for myself.

tog redux's picture

I would never agree to manage money for a grown man.  You can both put only what's need for expenses in the joint account, and let him spend the rest as he pleases. As long as the bills are covered, he can be as broke as he wants.

"I'm bad with money" irks me to no end, I don't get it. 

AshMar654's picture

Yeah if I were you I would do what tog says. You have one joint account for expenses and separate accounts of your own.

That is what SO and I do. If we had a mutual everything I know he would never take money out without telling me. I do like we have it set up with one mutual for all expenses for the house and for SS. He has his own checking and so do I for our own personal use as well. It keeps things easy. This way he can buy stuff he wants for himself or for me without knowing and I can do that same.

I would really think about how you want your financial set up to be still.

STaround's picture

I think every adult should have spending money.  After contributions to household, savings, retirement, etc., there should be some money that each spouse can spend without asking permission.  I agree, it is terrible when one spouse lies to the other, but you guys need to set up a system that allows some discretionary spending.  

capp1978's picture

I have never questionned him on his spending and he is allowed spending money any time he wants.  We honestly never fight over money.  I have never stopped him from buying what he wants/needs.  The only reason I asked was because he said "I need this cash so I don't have to use credit cards to buy your gifts.  If I use the credit card you can see the purchases."  So he takes the cash but still uses the credit card for my gifts. So now I see the bill and I see my gifts charged on the credit card and I ask I thought you were using cash for my gifts so you didn't use the credit card?  What happened to the cash?  In my eyes he should have used the credit card for the spending the money he "blew" and used the cash as gifts for Xmas like he said.  I just feel like since he spent the cash and still used the card for my gifts that he is hiding something from me.

STaround's picture

If you are saying he is allowed spending money any time he wants, but you want to know what he spend it on, not what I am saying.  He and you both need a certain amount which you do not have to account for.  Is that happening?  

capp1978's picture

Yes everyday he can spend what he wants.  If he wants to go to the bar, go grab wings, pizza hang with his friends etc.  The problem is not the spending it's more of the feeling like he lied about it.  He insisted on having that cash for my gifts.  Yet he charged my gifts.  We're also not talking $20, $30, $40 here.  I truly believe he's hiding the fact that he's giving money to SD.  I feel like she will cry the broke act at work.  Daddy, I don't have money for gas, daddy I'm hungry and I don't have money, daddy I really want to go to this concert but I don't have money.  And Daddy is handing over the cash.  Yet SD has the money for a new Apple Watch, new Uggs, new tattoos, new piercings, her vapes, her cigarettes, her beer etc.

STaround's picture

And cash he gets.  Do not micro-manage.  He is not a 12YO.  Saying he can charge stuff, but then you get to monitor is not the same.  

Aniki-Moderator's picture

the rest of the money he just blew but can't tell me where he blew said money.

BS. He knows, but doesn't want to tell you. ALL of that cash may have gone to SD. Maybe he's trying to "make up" for your refusal to buy.

I can say with 100% certainity that I trust DH & he's not cheating, drinking, gambling or drugs.

Capp, unless you are 100% aware of every move he makes, you cannot discount any of that. I thought my ex was bipolar. It was a complete shock when he finally confessed to being a cokehead.

This doesn't pass the smell test for me. He's lying about something(s).

capp1978's picture

I KNOW it's not that.  DH works 11/12 hour days (and yes I know he's at work) and when he's not at work he's with myself and BD or he's sleeping.  As I said I just think he's handing money over to SD which makes me wonder how much money he gives her daily when he sees her at work.

ESMOD's picture

so...your DH basically told you "don't leave drugs with a drug addict". 

`I would be putting a limit on his cc right now that any purchases over X amount are declined.. (I'm guessing you can do that?).. and from now on DH.. no cash for you.  You get 20 bucks for emergency gas money.. that.is.it.  Because like you say.. "you are bad with money"

ndc's picture

Regardless of what he did with the money (and I'd bet he spent it on/gave it to SD), more likely than not he's lying to you about not knowing how it was spent, and then gaslighting you with the "bad with money" stuff. I'd have a hard time trusting him.

second1's picture

I rarely post here because I haven't shared my story BUT here goes.  My H is older than me and his children were mid to late teens when we married.  Due to the fact that he had no problem with using our "joint" money to help his children, loan them money, etc. all the while his children treating me badly, it worked better for me to separate finances.  Thereby I didn't worry about what he was spending.  When he didn't have my income - those gifts, loans, etc. slowed down. 

However, now H is retired.  His 401K is gone, his life insurance is gone (all due to monetary gifts and loans to his children and grandchildren - which of course he has never been repaid) and he only gets SS and a very small retirement.  So, guess who has to cover the lion's share of our expenses?  I did suggest that he get another job to which he informed me that he was retired and didn't have to work.  I am in a community property State so if we separated or divorced, it is entirely possible that he would get a share of my retirement and savings.  I did make him take out a small life insurance plan to cover funeral expenses - he only did that because I told him that if he didn't he be burning (LOL).  I shared all of this to say, when I realized what his spending habits were with my income and without my income, years ago, I should of left.

STaround's picture

Very sorry for what has happened to you.  As per above, I have said both spouses should contribute to retirement, savings, and then allocate some discretionary income.  

ksmom14's picture

DH and I have a similar financial set up. We have joint finances, but I am the leader of it, and he can spend whatever $ he chooses, I don't ask questions. I have asked in the past that he lets me know of anyting $100 or more, strictly for budgeting purposes though.

I think you should talk to him about the dishonesty. Let him know that the fact that he did not do what he said he was going to, makes you feel like he's lying or trying to hide something. 

For me it would be a matter of budgeting...if I wasn't expecting TWICE the amount gone from the account, I'd be irritated. Not because DH isn't allowed to spend money, but because if it's a decent/significant amount, I feel like it's just the right thing to do (as a partner) to say something since I'm the person who does the bills/budget.

capp1978's picture

Exactly if he is taking money for our bill pay account then I need to know for billing purposes.  If DH did this everytime we'd be screwed.  So now DH took that money out of our account, spent the cash and now I have the credit card bill to pay.  I assumed he would take the cash out of our account buy my gifts and I wouldn't have to pay a credit card bill.  

Merry's picture

Sounds like the way you and your DH handle money at your house works just fine for you. What isn't working now is that DH changed the rules, maybe unintententionally, but still, he's given you cause to question what happened to several hundred dollars.

If this is just a one-time thing, I'd have one more conversation with him to tell him how you feel. He broke your trust and he needs to know that. Then no more cash because it didn't work. It was a good idea that you not see the expenses for your gift, but he was too impulsive (or worse) to stick with the plan. And since he's proven himself untrustworthy with that much cash it just won't happen again.

I totally get controlling household finances. Like you, DH and I worked HARD to pay off credit card debt. I'm not going back into that hell hole again, so I watch the money closely. He takes care of other things. It works for us.

capp1978's picture

Thank you Merry for understanding. Yes our situation may not work for others but it works for us.  We have both worked hard for what we have.  

capp1978's picture

After 8 years he's still married to me.  I'm not holding a gun to his head forcing him into this situation. My DH thanks me frequently for helping him get out of debt, starting a retirement plan, obtaining life insurance, buying a beautiful home, buying a boat etc.  I'll say it again STaround it may not work for everyone but it works for us.  Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it's dysfunctional.  

Harry's picture

Deposit same amount of money DH took for gifts into it.  Now that you are short of money, cut off DH CC for a few months.  Put him on a allowance, and you deposit the same amount into your account. Each week, month. 

Tell him you are really not good with money if he asked any question!!  His DD should not be treated better then you.   He started it, you will finish it. 

tog redux's picture

To be clear, I'm not opposed to couples designating one of them to manage the money. Perhaps the other one manages the cars or whatever. Both might be capable of it but that's how they divvy it up.

That's not the same as someone saying they are "bad with money" and so need the other person to make sure they don't spend themselves into insolvency. Very different. One is dependent and the other is interdependent.

capp1978's picture

DH does all the household repairs, lawn care, snow removal, works on the cars etc.  A lot of nights he cooks dinner for BD and myself as he gets home earlier than I do.  So DH does pull his weight around the house, I just handle the finances because that is what I'm good at.  We're a pretty good team.  And we 99% of the time we do not have money arguments.  And I don't even know if I consider this a money arguement but more less a feeling of being lied to or that he is hiding something from me.

Merry's picture

Yep, I don't think this is about money at all. It's about feeling deceived.

DH said he was going to do A. He did B, which you wouldn't have agreed to had you known about it. Then when asked, he blew you off.

notasm3's picture

I worked very hard for years and years while I sacrificed a lot to build up retirement savings. I lived very frugally and never even took vacations.  My DH via inaction let his ex financially rape him and leave him with nothing. 

So no my DH “deserves” nothing more than what I choose to share with him. He now enjoys a great lifestyle which I am happy to share with him.  But I refuse to share one penny with his worthless crotch dropping.