11 is to young for that I think. 13,14,15+ yes. A teen is old enough to understand the consequences of their actions. Even a teen who's mind is mush from playing too many violent video games.

An 11yr old may not have figured out that in life there is no do over when someone dies.

How sad and tragic this story is. For everyone involved.

I agree that if PAS is found to be a contributing factor that it is time to put some parents in prison for a while.

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I don't know if that's true anymore or not. It used to be that a child that grew up in a large town or city had no clue about death until they were older as compared to a child that grew up in a rural area or a farm. There you learn at a very young age about life and death. But now with all the high school and elementary shootings and gang shootings it's nearly impossible for a kid to not know these things.

I think the child should be charged, and the dad too. I think the comment he made said it all about his guilty dad parenting.

He said, they were having their problems, but she was trying to bond w/him.

Right there, there is a problem. He shoudl have been part of the solution.. not just pawning it off on his pregnant gf. That kid was HIS responsiblity.. and had the kid been taught by dad to respect this adult like anyother... she could still be alive.

Before they announced the relationship of the boy to the dead pregnant lady, I said to my dh, bet it was her stepson (bet you can tell THAT comment went over well).. so I wasnt surprised to hear that it was.

Being 7.5 mths pregnant, this really freaked me out.

I may make a lot of people mad by saying this but I don't think he should be allowed to see the light of day ever again. He took two lives with no remorse. It would have been different if he had been defending himself but this woman was sleeping and her unborn child had done nothing to him. IMHO this was an act of pure evil and he should suffer the consequences. Since he had a shotgun of his own he knew about gun safety and what happens when you shot a living creature with it. I know most of us would like to believe that children are innocents but watch the news there are many cases of young children not just teenagers who wantonly kill people. He's lucky that he lives here and not in another country. There are several where he would automatically be put to death.

Otherwise he may be free at 21 no matter what facts surface, and the nature of this murder, with her being pregnant, his SM, etc, means he is capable of much worse.
I haven't read a ton on the case yet though. But it's obvious that this kid broke with reality on a major level for some reason. PAS may have been a factor, but this is bigger and deeper than a BM hating a SM/BF for sure.

"Om Tare Tutare Ture Mama Ayurpunye Jnana Putin Kuru Svaha"
~Sita Tara Mantra

I agree w/you Ferret.. he should never see the light of day again. she was sleeping and doing nothing. According to her family.. she was trying to make the best of a difficult situation. I would hope if I ever died at the hands of one of my skids, that "oh, they are just children" excuse would not fly. At some point these kids need to be held accountable. Kids nowadays are out of control, because we all cater to them... we dont hold them accountable and dont make them responsible.

I believe from what I read that the father had custody.. and there was no mention of a mom.. but of course it did say that the dad was already trying to get the kid out on bail. NICE. I think a couple of nights in jail would do him good.. he had better get used to it.

And yes, if they are old enough to OWN their OWN gun, then they are old enough to be responsible for it and be held to the laws of that state.

I think its HORRIBLE what happened to that woman.. I think that boy is selfish and evil. lets not forget.. he left her 4 yr old there to FIND the body. WTF.. then went to school... that is cold!!!

Also,

Do we know if we have any members from PA that are w/a bf and are pregnant? She could be someone from on here.

Of the lady that was shot... I don't know what to think, he was going to do away with the victims daughter's as well..

I say try him as an adult

I got some info here from the relative that seals my decision.

OMG.. are you saying he was going to kill her two girls as well? or just the 4 yr old? this is just beyond belief.

She has been in my thoughts all weekend.. A lot of my coworkers, that know I have skids and that I am 7.5 mths pregnant have asked if I sleep w/my bedroom door locked. What do you say to that.

Its just unimaginable.

OMFG! That is crazy. "We cannot change the cards we are dealt, just how we play the hand."~ Randy Pausch

My aunt has a friend who's grandson killed his step mom while the dad was outside shoveling & put her head in the dishwasher.

How do you not have some inkling that your kid is capeable of this?

OMG.. How old was that kid?? and did he go to jail?

or so. He is in a mental institution I believe. My aunt belongs to a coffee group & his grandma attends sometimes. According to grandma the kid is crazy, was in a disassociative state when she say him after wards.

He certainly looks like a serial killer in the making to me. Such a hateful look on that kid's face. Gave me the heebie-jeebies.

Juveniles who kill go to a juvenile prison, with others their age until they are legal adults. I think he should be held responsible and did know what he was doing. An 11 year old in SC got life in prison for killing his grandparents, shot them in their sleep and set the house on fire. He is the one who was saying his antidepressants made him unable to tell right from wrong.

I did read the 9 year old who killed his dad and another man will get probation. I would hate to make that kid mad! not funny I know. I am scared of this anyway honestly and have told my friends if something happens to me or DH, to look to SD/BM.

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth." - Vladimir Lenin

year old. He had been counting his spankings & had said that something bad would happen when he got his 1000th spanking.

It just makes you wonder if it is nature or nourture that are creating these psychopaths.

DH & I were talking about this 11 years old & my SS11 asked what we were talking about so I told him. The look on his face was pure shock. He was like how could any one do that. He is the same age as this boy & totally knows that you don't do shit like this.

All I have to say is thank GOD I have nice normal step kids!!! My problem is their parents.

I think if this lady had happened upon this site she might have proceeded with more caution. I think she thought like so many of us have thought that if she were just kind and good to the boy that things would go smoothly and they don't.

5 months is not a long time for them to be living in the same quarters and there were warnings before this happened.

I don't necessarily think a child should not absolutely have access to a gun but that a child going through a change like that who actively showed some issues with his step-mom should not have access to a gun.

Custody disputes marked Jordan's life

highlights of this update
"immediately after Jordan's birth, Ms. Krause called Children and Youth Services requesting that the agency take custody of the boy, but it refused."

That's from the middle of the article, just to show how weird this is.

Sounds like the parents had a lot of issues about custody but it worked out in the dads favor. My take on this is that that boy had some serious issues from PAS - either from his mom or dads side. With that being said I think the kid should never see the light of day again for what he did. He should be charged as an adult he knew what he was doing. He talked about months before he even did it and he wanted to kill I believe one of the other kids as well. The poor woman's 4 yr old daughter went out and told one of the landscapers that came to their home that her mother was on floor. A 4 year old. Alone in the house with her dead mother's body and blood all over the place. The kid can stay in juvie until he is 18 then go to a regular prison after that. I can't believe the father would even consider having that child come back in to his home after what he did to his fiance and soon to be new born baby.