You are here

BD's don't want her back....

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

My girls came home yesterday after a weekend with their dad & a week with their grandparents & both let me know they have zero interest in seeing their SS13 again. What happened a few weeks ago was enough for them. They've witnessed her behavior & up until now, while they didn't understand if they were willing to overlook it for the good of their family & SD. Now they've had it (as have I). For the love of my DH & the family I tried reaching out to her to talk & try to move toward reconciliation & received no response. There's no chance of getting her to make a step if she's unwilling. While I'm enjoying the zero drama our home has at this point I know at some point we'll have to face this issue. She's a train wreck there's no doubt & while I consider myself to be a pretty patient person it seems as though she's found all the buttons to push that it takes for me to lose it.

Comments

Monchichi's picture

Bio: Married with 4 daughters. 2 step. Oldest SD is unbearable.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

Yes that's my plan. I'm not equipt to deal with her when she lashes out. She's downright mean & that boils my blood.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

So when any of our 4 daughters gets I'll & needs us we should throw each other & the emotional support we provide for each other away?

Disneyfan's picture

His daughter his serious problems that he and BM need to work on. If having a wife AND SDs who do not want his sick kid around has any impact on his ability to do what is best for her, then yeah, he may need to think about stepping away from the 3 of you.

His first responsibility should be his sick child.

Disneyfan's picture

Since your daughters don't want his daughter around, your husband should tell them to pack their stuff and go live with their father.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

I told my DH I would like to mend things & move forward but she's not receptive to that right now. So reconciliation cannot happen as they cannot force her to do anything. They've tried that In the past & nothing good comes of it. I can only imagine given what I know of her thus far.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

Thank u! It's a relief hearing from someone's who's been on the receiving end. My heart goes out to SD9 as she is more often than not the target for her sisters abuse.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

There's an askreddit thread on "When did you realize your child was an asshole" but for some reason it's filled with people's horrible stories about their personality disordered siblings and how their parents either couldn't see it or refused to give them up... which caused the demise of their relationship with their parents because they weren't protected from the abuse.

Some of it was REALLY horrible. Like getting stabbed, their pets killed, etc.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

Mental illness and personality disordered are two different things--mental illnesses like bipolar disorder/depression/schizophrenia which can be controlled by meds should have ALL OPTIONS exhausted before resorting to plain kicking out. I completely agree with that.

Personality disorders, such as narcissism, borderline, sociopathy, psychopathy--these have no "cure." Not even cognitive behavioral therapy can grow a conscience, nor morals, nor values. Lady's brother has a personality disorder, not mental illness. Unfortunately, sometimes the only thing you can do is to keep this person away.

Disneyfan's picture

I agree with you Lady.

I have no problem admitting that my responses/opinions are shaped by my life experiences and expectations.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

Omg! Thankfully my DH realizes she's an issue & understands my daughter & my plight. He's really not in too much denial.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

**Raises hand**

I too grew up with a disturbed sibling. Hardbroke, violent, raging...for years, she beat the crap out of me (I was younger) and kept our household in a permanent state of chaos. My mother tried her best, but ultimately my sibling ended up a junkie, a thief, and incarcerated. As for me, the good kid? I got the hell out as soon as possible and kept a safe distance. My mother lost out on a closer, healthier relationship with me because she was obsessed with helping her bad kid.

Your DH should be able to remain in his daughter's life and get her the help she needs while still maintaining boundaries and basic standards of behavior for all of the children. Of course, some will cast stones and claim that he's putting his skids above his bios, but to quote Spock, " The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or of the one." The truth is, every child deserves to live in peace,

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

Thank god I'm here to make sure that won't happens to mine. I'm scared she will go down that road cuz she's just not learning from her mistakes. Scary. My BD15 is more communicative w me about it & yesterday she said she thinks she's manipulative & tryng to put my DH & I against each other. I'm gonna have to take the high road most definitely & be persistent about talking to her. At least then I can say I tried & the balls in her court.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

I think kids/skids trying to split up parents/adults happens a lot more often than most folks realize. Children can be completely amoral, myopic in their desires, and manipulative.

Staying united with your H is so important when this type of long-term issue exists. It can be a wedge that forces you apart, or a storm that makes you turn towards each other for shelter. You might consider couples counselling, marriage building, or a support group to give you both tools and strategies for coping with his daughter's mental illness.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

To the OP--If your SD is indeed bipolar, she should be on meds to control that. If those meds don't work, she should be re-evaluated and try another type of medication.

The difference between bipolar manipulation and something like borderline is that the bipolar manipulation is done out of feeling like desperation--they go through their manic and depressive phases because of their chemical imbalance and it's in those highs and lows that they desperately try to make things "go their way" no matter the cost because they feel like it's "the only way".

However, for a personality disorder such as borderline or narcissism, the manipulation is a bit more subtle and planned out. Less unstable unless they are becoming unhinged.

I feel that at 12, her options should not have been exhausted just yet, and that she should be trying different types of meds to keep her symptoms under control. HOWEVER, I can say that meds for bipolar often turn patients into a shell of their former self, kind of wafting through the days like a ghost. It's a really sad situation.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

Wow great advice!! I'm calling my lawyer now to have the papers drawn up. YOU are completely out of line. Keep your opinions to yourself when it come to my blog.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

UGH! Lemme just get this out on the table. Before anyone else thinks they know me & my family well enough to suggest DIVORCE or giving my kids to someone else to raise- STOP

I FIND THE MEAR SUGGESTION OFFENSIVE & WAY OUT OF LINE FOR AN ONLINE BLOG.

Advice as to how to handle & navigate my current life situation is always welcome.

"River" & "Heaven" & "DisneyFan" unless a constructive suggestion comes to mind that doesn't dismantle my family- STFU

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

Her BM is very engaged & hands on when it comes to her meds & therapy. SD13 is not goin unmediated that's for sure. Thank you for your advice. My parents & mother in law are very involved with my daughters as is their OP's. They have many loving people in their lives that love & support them including my H & myself. Given that perspective he & I are not alone in this. We have a network of support.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

While the meds have improved things somewhat she still has impulse & anger control issues. She doesn't know when to stop when she gets mad. She knows exactly how to hurt someone's feelings & goes for the jugular. Had to attend a special school due to behavioral issues.

No prob. I rather enjoyed it myself! Smile

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

I wonder that myself actually. She is consumed with jealousy when it comes to her sisters as well & she'll lash out at them if she feels the least slighted which only reinforces the reasons the girls slight her in the 1st place. I've never in my life met a kid like her. It's mindblowing the level of mess. Every time she's here (unless she's the only one which rarely happens) there's some sort of drama. She thrives on it I swear. Part of me thinks you're right. Show her what real consequences are. She's been suspended from school in the past. I had a hard time with this because her suspension wouldn't come with any sort of punishment at home. Omg if my kids got suspended I'd flip out to say the least. I guess one shrink she was seeing didn't recommend punishment at home because she was receiving enough "criticism" at school. BS.

She's seen several PhD's & MD's & she sees a shrink 2x's a month.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

As a SP my hands r pretty tied as far as getting her to a MD or PhD. I can only suggest. BPD sounds a lot like her tbh. I suggested it & my H said she sees the best shrink in town & her BM has done her research.

notasm3's picture

As an older person I've unfortunately seen too many disturbed children (in intact homes with wonderful parents) just grow up to be utter pieces of sh*t. Yes one has to try with minor children, but no one should assume that with the proper "help" they can all be salvaged. Because all too many can't.

A friend has a daughter who was "different" literally from age 1. Turns out she is bi-polar. Her parents have spent HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS sending her to every treatment program imaginable. No divorce, loving parents, other siblings are totally normal, this one was just born damaged. She's 40 and in prison now.

Bi-polar in some ways is like cancer. Some can be overcome - but some is not curable.

Another couple I know - father is grad of West Point and Harvard Business School, mother is educated and daughter of a professor. Two of the most loving decent people I've ever known. Their son who I've known all of his life is now in prison. The parents tried everything - nothing worked.

I could probably give another 50 examples of a child being a total ahole from birth.

I think sometimes that the mentally deranged teen in someways is like having an Ebola patient - you have to isolate them to protect the others in the home.

4teenagegirls2SDs's picture

Tried reaching out via txt a few times & got no response. My H says she's 13, upset & doesn't know how to handle it. I said that's fine she knows I'm here when she's ready to talk. GOOD she's upset honestly. Mayb she'll think twice about lashing out at her family. I've had it with that!