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AshMar654's picture

Hello all. I hope everyone is having a good new year and doing well.

SO and I are both still struggling some with SS9 with the talking back and arguing everything we say. For example....talking about flying and how long flight are. He chimes in and says FL is x amount of hours away. I said no it is this amount in a plane. He is like well I have flown there. You are still wrong. Well g-mom said this. Well she told you wrong. On and on and on. SO I googled flights and showed him how long it really was.

We buy him shoes this weekend because he needed them. He starts I wear this size. ok well we are probably going to get a bigger size as the ones you have are getting small. They fit just fine. No they do not. I have not grown my feet are the same. No they are not you have grown in the last year. He tries again I said enough just stop. So did his dad.

One night it was half hour before bed. He wanted to play a board game. SO said no it is too late and close to bed. He asks about another game, SO said no, SS asks about another one. SO said no again louder and sterner and said stop we are not playing any games. SS start jumping on furniture, which is not allowed in our house at all. SO gets on him. He starts acting like a goof ball and being silly and jumping around wrestling with the dog. SO and I both said to stop and settle down. Well next thing he falls into a little table hits his arm and the table hits the wall leaving a small ding in our walls. I snapped and yelled, so did SO, and I said bed now enough. He goes and is crying in bed because he got yelled at. He does this with his dad too. Neither one of us coddled him at that point. I asked are you mad he said yes. I just said well you caused this you would not listen to daddy or me all night.

It has been this was since right before Christmas. Anyone else experience this behavior from kids around the holidays. He spent a lot of time recently with his aunt, SO's parents and mine. He has spent the night places where some of this behavior he can get away with. When he is around them his is like a totally different kid sometimes. Way more baby like and whines more and picky, of course all of them including my parents cater to him.

It was not our intention for him to spend so much time with all of them but I had the stuff with my dad to deal with. The g-parents were visiting from FL so I wanted him to spend time with them. Everyday is an argument. I have tried not engaging with him, we have tried punishing, tried taking things away. Is this an age thing or him testing the limits? I am losing it a little.

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beebeel's picture

All kids are hyper around the holidays. All kids will test their parents on bed time and rules. The know it all attitude is also normal for a boy his age. This is all very common and not the inlaws' fault.

He needs consistent consequences. Arguing with an adult = 15 minute earlier bedtime. Do it again? 30 minutes earlier. Keep it up and you'll be in bed before dinner! Each and every time. It may take some time, but you have to be consistent. You and DH should sit down and agree to consequences for specific bad behaviors and stick to them. No caving. No changes. Never let them see you waiver! Wink

AshMar654's picture

Thank you. I am not blaming the anyone. Just seems he is worse when he comes back from spending time with g-parents and aunt. I am including my parents in that group as well. They do not do anything wrong. Their house their rules. SS seems to think when he comes home he can do the same thing at our house though the rules are very clear.

Glad to know it is an age thing too. He talks to me and SO like we are stupid sometimes. He talks down to us like we do not know what we are talking about. This morning I was making my coffee and he blocked me to be funny. I got annoyed but it was harmless really and he only did it for a second. He watched me make the coffee and he is like you get hot chocolate. He knew it was coffee he was like no it is hot chocolate. I said fine you want to find out go ahead taste it. I am warning you though it is really hot and you will not like it. He took a sip as soon as it was done and burned his tongue and said it was disgusting. I said told you, you really need to learn to listen.

Ninji's picture

Kids this age are Know-It-Alls. One time I was making sushi and SD starting telling me I was making it wrong. I asked her if she has had this type of sushi anywhere before...No. Has she ever had sushi that wasn't made by me...No. Has she seen it make on TV...No. Then you have no idea what you are talking about. Close your mouth.

DH and I just make fun of the kids when they do it now. "SD is a teenager, she knows everything" Or something along those lines. It usually shuts her up.

AshMar654's picture

Thanks. It drives me nuts some days that he just knows everything and will tell me how to do stuff. Also points out to me when my gas tank is low. It has been recent. Really bad like the last two to three months.

Before this I was around him a lot before we moved in and it was never this bad even SO says it is a new thing it was never like this before. Yesterday I went for a pedi with a friend and did some shopping. Man did I need that. Gave me a break for a little bit.

zerostepdrama's picture

Typical behavior for a kid who is off his schedule and getting more attention then normal.

lieutenant_dad's picture

Sounds fairly typical. A couple tips:

1.) Give him one chance, then punish. You know when he is starting to back talk. The minute he does, tell him to stop. When you tell him no game once, tell him no more discussion. He asks or back talks again, punish. He's trying to wear you down so he'll get what he wants.

2.) Get him some exercise. If he is that bouncy 30 minutes before bed, then get him to play more. Have him run around, do jumping jacks, anything physical to release that energy. Do that an hour before bed, then 30 minutes before should be "quiet time" in his room reading with a soft light. Get his brain and body to wind down.

3.) When he starts acting up in public, leave. If he can't behave when buying shoes, then you can sit with him in the car in silence while his dad buys whatever he wants for him. When he gets home, he loses whatever privilege he would have had when he got home.

Yelling at home only gives him attention. Sending him to his room.and not checking on him the first time shuts that down. Taking him out of the store and sitting in silence in the car means he loses his audience. He is used to being fawned over, so stop doing that. He gets one chance to correct himself, and then he's done.

AshMar654's picture

Thanks,

1 and 3 are really good ideas. That we can try at home.

I so wish number 2 would work. We limit his sugar intake a lot for the main reason he is high energy to begin with. Sugar makes it so much worse. He will just run around the house pretending to be a superhero for like 20 minutes. He will wrestle with the dog. Jump around all this. He also gets to run around and play at daycare every day after school for about an hour or more with his friends. We can take him to one those trampoline places they have around here for an hour and he will still want to run laps and be timed in the back yard. We watch a movie he will change where he sits/lays at least 6 or 7 times.

It is not ADD or anything like that because he can sit in school and concentrate when he has too. Sometimes he will play legos for an hour no problem. It is an age thing too and being a boy. The moment he wakes up he is ready to run. So wish 2 would work for us. Sending him to bed for quite reading for 20 minutes is not a bad idea. I think he would be able to do that.

Thank you again.

mommadukes2015's picture

We went through this with SS around that age. A simple, stern statement would stop him in his tracks: SS, this is not a debate. That's it.

I don't known when the last time I had to say that was.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

You need to find his grumpy 9 year old language. Different things for different kids... Your SS sounds kind of like he just wants to push buttons... One of the kids I nannied used to do that... It made me livid...

I found with him just stern no choice options, ignore his little "you're wrong" outbursts. I would inform him once, maybe. Or I'd just play the "is that so?" game and then continue on with what I was doing.

HIs language was losing video game privileges. So find something that works with him. If he keeps asking just send him to his room.

A kid is going to rough house some, I still rough house with my dogs... You just have to decide your limits and some Very strong consequences if he tries to cross those. Less talking, more action.

AshMar654's picture

We have done the losing video games. We usually use that when his grades start going down and we can tell it is because he is rushing to be first.

I so want warmer weather right now so I can send him outside to play. Winter is a challenge. It has been below freezing here even during the day so no going outside for the last week.

I have to find something he values enough. We are still figuring that one out.

ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

I get wanting warmer weather! I swear my hands haven't warmed up in MONTHS. And I can't send the girls outside ever either... Even the dogs are inside a lot right now... The husky starts talking at the door when he's cold!

I hope you see some warm weather soon! Once you find something he actually values enough I hope that helps!

ntm's picture

My DS is eleventeen. Here are my coping mechanisms.

1. I do not participate in every argument I’m invited to.

2. I ask him why he’s choosing to be argumentative. And then back to #1.

3. Arguments in stores earn a one way ticket back to the car and home without buying item we were there for. No return until he agrees not to argue. And then back to #1.

AshMar654's picture

Thank you. I have refused to buy items for him when he has acted up. Unfortunately he needed new sneakers. We have been putting it off. He did not really argue in the store it was before we got there and he was just dragging his feet and being moody while we were in the stores running errands.

secret's picture

Normal.

I "trained" my kids much like I "trained" any dog I ever had.

Clear expectation of acceptable and unacceptable behavior, clear exception of consequences for failing to obey, and clear expectation that consequences WILL be implemented.

Swiftly, Efficiently, and most importantly, Consistently.