Cover1W's picture

BM Entitlement

Um, Wow.

BM, since just before we were married in Sept., was on about me contributing to the SDs expenses and so forth, yeah, no. DH effectively shut her down on that. Then she got all into not wanting to pay for her half of their insurance premium (which is currently on my plan at work, because it's super affordable and really good coverage which I did for DH when he lost his) and why don't I just pay it.
I told DH that if she pulls that then I will never, ever cover them again and they will be off my plan in a hot minute once our open enrollment comes about (soon!).

So "um, Wow." Was all I could say for a second after DH told me this whopper this weekend.
Discussing misc. stuff regarding his CS payments and budgets, he says, "I didn't tell you but when BM backed off you paying for stuff for the SDs, she alluded to the fact that you could help pay for college or something."

WTF? Um, no.

This got me thinking that BM, who is notoriously cheap, is perhaps investigating the state laws regarding support. And maybe some of her family members are encouraging her to do so. So today I double checked the law and nope, my income has nothing to do with it unless I become a "parent" (i.e. DH gets primary or full custody) or DH requests a support modification. Otherwise, the documents can be requested but are explicitly left out of any calculations and can only be requested in specific circumstances.

DH will be relieved. But it also means that if HE wants a modification (he has 49% custody per the CS order, but it's really 50/50 - I've told him to track each and every time SDs are here and he'll have to prove it) my income would likely be pulled into it. And he's not going to like that information.

BM cannot request my information nor can she request a modification due to my income unless I'm fabulously wealthy or win the lottery or some other crazy income change - and that's also rare. And I'm not wealthy. LOL.

I told DH, "You know what, that means I'm for sure dropping SDs off the plan 6/30. I want zero ties to the SDs financially like that. No contracts, no verbal contracts, nothing. Has she even paid you yet for this month's half of the insurance premium? No? Then if she doesn't pay up, and don't you remind her, you made it clear it's due first week of each month, that also causes me to drop them."

She's very nice on the surface but she's pretty much made sure I'll have nothing to do with her any longer.


DaizyDuke's picture

Why does this woman think YOU

Why does this woman think YOU should be fiscally responsible for HER children? Does she have a husband who is shelling out money for skids or something? Where in the world would she come up with these hair brained ideas?

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Cover1W's picture

1) She's cheap 2) Wealthy

1) She's cheap
2) Wealthy father and siblings who help pay for various things
3) Unmarried, single; but she did say to DH during these fiscal conversations about my income that if SHE had a partner she would expect them to pay for the SDs.

OH, I LAUGHED.

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Clevergirlfriend99's picture

Your BM is a jerk and she

Your BM is a jerk and she reminds me of my cheap ass ex husband.

I'm considering dropping DH and the skids from my EXCELLENT insurance plan. I don't think BM appreciates it and I don't think DH gives me any credit for it when he has mentioned how he pays the bills for the house we own together that I don't live in - I live in my own house and pay my own bills; that's our arrangement.

It doesn't cost me any extra to have him and his 4 kids on my plans, but it saves him and the BM $400 a month.

How much of an asshole am I if I drop them this fall when it doesn't cost me any extra?

Cover1W's picture

Exactly! It's saving her

Exactly! It's saving her hundreds of dollars! I never even get a thank you!
She's seriously not wanting to pay $70, $70!, for her share of the SDs premium cost.
Ok, then, I drop them, have a good time paying that $300+.

I have to say my DH has been very supportive of me in all this. So I'm not faulting him at all.

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Clevergirlfriend99's picture

Fantastic that your DH is

Fantastic that your DH is supportive, but won't it end up costing HIM, too?

My DH will be upset if I decide to drop him and the kids because it will COST HIM, not her. He is very reluctant to ask her for anything financial.

Cover1W's picture

She's the one named on the CS

She's the one named on the CS for providing health insurance for the SDs, not DH.

DH is afraid to push back as well but he's starting to re-think things lately.

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advice.only's picture

Cover1W, sorry did you not

Cover1W, sorry did you not get your SM handbook yet?

Chapter 6: Stepmother's ARE Financially Responsible for Exes and Stepchildren

Once the SM chooses to enter the holy union of matrimony to her new DH she forfeits any and all property, valuables and paychecks to the alter of BM and stepkids.
A good SM feels nothing buy joy and elation to support financially DH's past relationships, and she will be considered a "raving bitch" should she even question for one moment if this is right.

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Cover1W's picture

LOL. I forgot to re-read

LOL.
I forgot to re-read that! Thanks for the reminder...

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TwoOfUs's picture

I'm always amazed by this

I'm always amazed by this stuff. My BM hasn't flat out said anything like this, but she does seem to think that "we" should pay for everything skid-related in addition to CS...and she has to know that I'm a part of that "we" and that I make more than DH. It's like she just expects it...I honestly don't know where people get off. She has also gone directly to DH's parents without talking to him first for big requests for the kids. Man, he tore into her for that one.

After a couple years, I separated finances and started making sure that I am fully funding my retirement directly from my personal account. I still cover more of the household bills, but at least now DH and I both see clearly how much more I'm doing...and he's a little more reluctant to spend when he hasn't been contributing equally. Before, all money just went into this big, mushy pot and he always grossly overestimated his share of that...

Cover1W's picture

That's why I've never

That's why I've never combined accounts with DH. We have one joint "household" account for joint bills and home expenses we contribute the same $ amount to. I file taxes married but filing separately as well.

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MorriMom's picture

"Girl, I don't know what you

"Girl, I don't know what you felt inside of you but it sure wasn't me and these aren't my kids..."

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Twix's picture

Hahaha love this

Hahaha love this

Ninji's picture

DH and I already pay for

DH and I already pay for everything for Skids and by DH and I...I mean mainly me. Even with that, BM thinks I should pay more out because she thinks I'm rich and I'm high society (whatever that means). Just because I work for the government does not mean I'm rich. And if I didn't pay for the kids she popped out, I would actually have some money.

WalkOnBy's picture

Your income likely won't come

Your income likely won't come into play if you "become a "parent" (i.e. DH gets primary or full custody) or DH requests a support modification," either.

Your husband getting custody of his kids doesn't magically make you a parent. Similarly, if he were to request a support modification, your income is off the table.

Check your laws again and look for these things - it is highly unlikely that she would be able to get her stupid mitts on your money.

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Cover1W's picture

Here's the quote: "Sources of

Here's the quote:

"Sources of income and tax planning...the court may deviate from the standard calculation after considering the following: income of a new spouse or new domestic partner if the parent who is married to the new spouse or in a partnership with a new domestic partner is asking for a deviation based on any other reason. Income of a new spouse or new domestic partner is not, by itself, a sufficient reason for deviation."

"Some of the items a court can consider in deciding whether to deviate from the guidelines are: income of a new spouse, new domestic partner or other adults in the household (but only if a deviation is being requested for a reason other than the availability of this income); a particular source of income is not a recurring source (i.e. overtime, bonuses); extraordinary debt not voluntarily incurred;..."

BM has used almost this same language found here: "If you take that child into your home, and your new spouse basically assumes the role of a parent, a duty to support that child may arise." LOL. I asked if I was adopting them or being named a guardian - was BM going to agree to that?

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WalkOnBy's picture

and here is the relevant part

and here is the relevant part of that "Income of a new spouse or new domestic partner is not, by itself, a sufficient reason for deviation."

I don't see anything here about the stepparent acting as a parent...what am I missing?

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Cover1W's picture

Yep, I know she cant' say

Yep, I know she cant' say anything now about my income because she's made it clear in texts and emails that my income is the motivating factor. I need to remind DH to save those things forever....

oh no, it doesn't apply - only if custody goes to DH would my income apply and I "assume" a parent role. So that would only be relevant if BM gave up the SDs, we took them in and she has to pay CS to DH. Not gonna happen.

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Cocktail..Hour..Please's picture

If there was even a remote

If there was even a remote chance you're income can come in to play for her, I would simply get a divorce and just live with him until the kids age out and then remarry.

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Cover1W's picture

We discussed that - I

We discussed that - I wouldn't be able to live with him b/c we have a little thing called domestic partnership on the books here and that counts as well, or it turns into common law marriage, which also counts.

I'd have to divorce him and move out which neither of us wants. (we did discuss it so good on us!)

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Cocktail..Hour..Please's picture

You guys are smart. I am

You guys are smart. I am still in shock that she thinks you should be paying for big ticket items for her kids.

Do you think she will give him custody senior year to try to Force the college issue?

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Cover1W's picture

No, I don't think for any

No, I don't think for any second she'd give him custody legally (at least right now - however her daddy big bucks paid for the horrific divorce attorney she hired who went after blood so DH can't ignore anything she says)....BUT we have discussed the fact that either SD might want to live with us for longer periods since we are very close to the school in our area (where both SDs will attend starting next year when SD11 moves to our school district for middle school), esp. after they are both in the high schools.

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notsurehowtodeal's picture

I'm reading this that the

I'm reading this that the spouse's income can be considered if their partner is asking for a "deviation" from the usual child support guidelines. If he asks for a modification that is within the normal child support guidelines your income would not be taken into consideration.

"the court may deviate from the standard calculation after considering the following..."
"Some of the items a court can consider in deciding whether to deviate from the guidelines are"

Icansorelate's picture

It definitely depends on the

It definitely depends on the state. I was told by my attorney that in NJ, college is the one time a stepparents income CAN come into play.

My ex BM (who does not believe I am ex but I am)...thinks my income should support her alimony.....hahhhahhhaaaaaaa...no.

downsouthinTX's picture

If you guys got married and

If you guys got married and any skid lived with you then your income would matter on the FASFA forms.
because they do factor in step parents income and step siblings attending college into the mix.

WalkOnBy's picture

right, but that has nothing

right, but that has nothing to do with family court, or the legal obligation to support a skid.

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downsouthinTX's picture

no but it could still factor

no but it could still factor in somewhere with a skid going "if you didnt get married i could have gotten more aide. but its your fault you make too much money so now you should contribute"

Clevergirlfriend99's picture

This is true. BM is disabled

This is true. BM is disabled and makes very little money. All the college aged skids list her as their supporting parent and she claims them on her taxes although DH houses 2 of them.

Because they are multiples and their mom is disabled, they get decent financial aid. If they listed their dad, they would get nothing because we make too much together.

WalkOnBy's picture

yeah, but that is not

yeah, but that is not something a court can or would order....

Obviously, if they use the parent with the smaller income, the potential for aid goes way up.

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WalkOnBy's picture

yeah and if any kid EVER said

yeah and if any kid EVER said that to me, I would tell them to go jump in the lake.

Also, said skid would not get one thin dime from me.

No skid or kid is going to tell me how I am going to spend MY money.

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ESMOD's picture

I also covered my SD's on my

I also covered my SD's on my plan at work. My DH was required to provide insurance for his girls... It cost about 500/year extra to have a family plan vs just a plan for my DH and myself.

In your situation, are you asking for half the total cost of the premiums.. or just half the difference between what you would pay if they were not on your plan?

TBH.. I would look into what the alternative is for the kids and what your DH's responsibility will be because your household could end up net worse off.

I get the frustration as BM in my case also on occasion wanted to reach into my pockets so to speak. I did actually cover the girl's medical costs a few times when DH and BM didn't have the money.. but it wasn't something I was told to do.

I cared about their well being and I always made it clear that if I did something it was voluntary and my choice. I would very clearly let BM know that you have no obligation and anything you do is out of the goodness of your heart.... period.

Cover1W's picture

I am asking for half of the

I am asking for half of the SDs premium cost only. $70 per month.
DH covers the other $70 plus his share which he pays to me (actually, he pays all of the difference so BM really owes him).

The kicker is BM IS ON THE CS AS THE PRIMARY INSURANCE PROVIDER. When the CS was made her insurance was super cheap. It's gone up and DH agreed to help provide it. DH lost his job about a year ago and went contract - so no insurance coverage.

DH wrote a very good email to BM a couple months ago about how it's none of her business what I do and don't do, they aren't my kids nor my responsibility. If I choose to do things for them it's not a requirement but because I want to (like buying a coat or new shoes - which I've stopped doing since BM's attitude reared up).

She seem to not have heard that of course. And not understand that I don't need a bigger house like we have or have to pay half the mortgage of it, or half the food bills or electricity, etc. DH heard that loud and clear and was in agreement with me. Told him I'd be happy to sell the house and downsize to a two bedroom to save $...

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WalkOnBy's picture

wow, you are being more than

wow, you are being more than generous. If she is the one who is supposed to cover them, I would let her do that Smiling

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Cover1W's picture

Yes, because I have a good

Yes, because I have a good plan and the SDs can get good medical/dental/vision insurance.
And BM doesn't seem to get that.

I told DH that I don't want to remove them from my plan but I dam sure will if she continues the games she's playing.

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mustang2008's picture

I think that we generally

I think that we generally raise girls to be entitled....

Sad.

SM12's picture

You are doing great stopping

You are doing great stopping this from the beginning and not learning the hard way like many of us.

Our BM carries the health insurance (at least she does now after the judge smacked her down for not covering them) because it costs way too much through DH's job. BM gets extra CS each month because she has to carry them on her insurance. During the time she thought she was slick and took them off her insurance, the OSS ended up getting hurt and needed surgery. Anyway, during one of my and DH's discussions regarding this, I offered to cover the SS's on my insurance. I was already on the family plan so it wasn't going to cost me much more to add them. I told DH that one of the requirements for me doing so was that he had to take BM back to court to get the CS lowered since she was not covering them any longer. He was too afraid of BM to do this so I refused to cover them at all. In all reality, I am thrilled he refused. I don't want intertwined with that mess.

Cover1W's picture

I learned it from the best

I learned it from the best ST-teachers around.
Smiling

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z3girl's picture

I'm in NJ, and thank GAWD my

I'm in NJ, and thank GAWD my income was not needed when SD went to college! BM did put in court docs that DH had to buy me a new car, therefore he must have the money to pay for more of SD's tuition. Um, I paid for my own car! Doesn't matter, judge didn't even acknowledge that argument. Only cared about DH's vs BM's income, and didn't even care that with DH's higher income and our lower standard of living left him with more money; only the ratio of their incomes mattered. Thank goodness!

notsobad's picture

"DH had to buy me a new car,

"DH had to buy me a new car, therefore he must have the money to pay for more of SD's tuition. Um, I paid for my own car!"

What is it with these women? Why don't they think we can buy our own vehicles?

BM here didn't take it to court but she did tell the skids and anyone else who would listen that DH bought a brand new $50K car for his new family while his kids had to share her pos.
Sorry, lady I bought that $50K car myself and yes my kids get to drive it!

Anonymama's picture

I will never give one penny

I will never give one penny to skid or the whore BM. If BM ever has the nerve to tell or ask me to pay for her kid I'm going to laugh in her face.

I'm not paying for s***!