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VERY Adult Stepchildren and the No Longer Wonderful Marriage

diditanyway's picture

This is my first post. I'm not sure where to start because I'm so tired, hurt, afraid, angry. Basics, I guess.
My husband of ten years and I are close to retirement age. I don't feel like starting over, but I don't feel like being roommates with a cold stranger, either. I thought we had a great marriage, but it only took money and his kids to change everything. Yes, it's an old story. Yes, my brain knew better, but my heart took over. Another old story. This issue has come up quite a few times over the years, but the camel is now a quadraplegic lying in the middle of the room, the proverbial straw sticking from its spine.
He has three sons, was divorced 12 years before we met. I have never had children and never wanted any. My ex had two sons who were young children from hell, poisoned by their mother. I was my own lesson. I loudly and sternly told myself I'd learned that lesson and would never again marry a man with children. Hence, the login name.
When I say VERY adult, I mean the youngest is in his 30's and not that any of them are mature. This week's saga invovles the middle child. He is charming, outgoing, totally irresponsible, married and living one block from his inlaws and 1000 miles from us. However, it only takes a call and if Alex G. Bell weren't dead, I'd kill him. It seems that living in an exclusing beachfront community is rather taxing. One must be a real party animal in order to get along. Said partying gets in the way of paying one's rent. The wife's parents usually bail them out because they understand the lifestyle better than I. They, too, are party people and have a much larger income than we do. However, the relationship seems to be strained at the moment because her parents just paid $2600 to keep the kids' Volvo going. What's a boy to do but call his guilt ridden father? Why a man is guilt ridden when he raised the kids and worked two jobs to give them anything they wanted I do not know. Catholic upbringing? Anyway, the call came. I heard, as usual, the father's voice become sodden with misery and longing. Also heard that he'd have to think about it and see what he could do. Thinking I could shortcut the thing, I spoke out and said, "If this is money stuff, don't hang up. I'll tell you and him exactly what we have." I was shushed and the miserable leavetaking went on. When he got off the phone, I said he should have let me talk because it only fueled the fires when I knew his "see what I can come up with" was code for "Let's see if my wife can be circumvented." That way, failure would be sure to point blame in the right direction.
We live hand to mouth. All we can manage goes into a 401K, but it's not much. He earns twice as much as I do, but we barely get by. We were doing fair until benefit cutbacks at my job really put us in the hole. He doesn't care about money. If it's there, it belongs to everyone. If it's not there, oh well. That means I am the one managing finances and doing all the worrying and scrimping. He couldn't care less if there were collection calls all day and repo men at the door. I'm the one who is the party pooping bill payer. I bored him with details: We have $80 in checking and $291 in savings. The savings total perked him up. The savings, I went on, was because I was cutting corners to be sure we could pay for tags for my 14 year old pickup and his three year old Altima, and his two motorcycles. That's about $500. Next month, I need hormone implants to stave off osteoporosis, stupidity (too late), and raving rage. That's $200. Tough, but I was going to make it. "So," I said reasonably, "We're actually in the hole $400, but I think I can do it if we're careful. It does mean that we don't have anything to contribute, though." He cried and said it hurt not to be able to give his boy what he needed. Far as I'm concerned, what he needs is to not make his FB profile pictures of all the cocktails they ordered at a new restaurant each night. I sympathized, cuddled, pitited, loved and sneaked in logic. At the end of a couple of hours of this, I decided he was now understanding our position. I bit the trust bullet and said, "You know our precarious position and our obligations. We have no instant money. I have been working hard to get this money up and it is all spoken for. But....I'm going to let you make the decision and trust you to do the right thing." This morning, he was calm and cheerful, kissed me on his way to work,and I waited. At Noon I checked the bank account. He'd emptied the savings and taken enough from checking to make up the $300 to send little Joey, plus $10 to overnight because he didn't want his boy to have to wait. I spent the day hunched over my computer because I didn't want people to see me crying. On the way home, I decided I couldn't change what I had allowed to happen, but I could fix the future. When he came home, I said I thought I had a solution to save our marriage and make him happy. I said he needed to get a bank account. I would split the money I put in savings and he could have an entire half for his account. That account was to belong only to him and his sons. If it was there when one of the three next called, good for them. If not, he was not to touch the household money. He said he didn't need money. I said, "Until next time. We cannot be scrimping for bills months off and have it wiped out in a minute because one of his sons was having another emergency. Mind you, one emergency was that $50 had to immediately be wired because son was broke and needed to buy a nice birthday gift for his godchild. He finally agreed. I said, "I will do my best, but I may ask to borrow at some point if we have a household emergency, like when the air conditioning went out and it was over 100 degrees outside. But, it will be paid back." He smiled and said, "But there will be interest." When my jaw would unlock, I said, "Oh? How much?" He said, "Twenty per cent. Aww, you're a good customer. Let's make it 15%." I said, "%($* You?" and walked away. Mind you, I never say "%($*".
I have been on a mad cleaning spree, have not spoken to the man since. He is sound asleep in our bed. I am dead tired, but can't stand the thought of getting into that bed.
I need a friend.
Sorry for the long post.

Donnadreams's picture

I am shaking after reading your post. Listen to me and listen close. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT PAY A DIME TO SKIDS, EVER.

You divide your money with spouse and after all your bills are paid, if he has money left over out of his portion, let him give it to them. Otherwise, tell them to go to hell.

diditanyway's picture

Somebody slap me; I'm obviously hysterical.
Tell me I didn't just log into Facebook and see a six hour old mobile phone uploaded picture out the window of a plane. He's on a nice trip. Stress relief, I'm sure.

BabyDoll's picture

WTF! What the h*** did your DH say about that? I would be absolutely beside myself.

herewegoagain's picture

WTH? Who is on a PLANE??? Oh my...I am so sorry. I think most of us here were never raised the way these idiots behave and thus we cannot imagine that someone would do such a thing...and well, they do...been there...sigh...I keep hoping...sigh...I hope mine learned his lesson.

I don't know what to tell you except I am so very sorry. I agree that you should split the money. I did that at the beginning and wish I had kept it. Yes, we had alot of issues, but maybe I would have saved myself alot of money and years...sigh...

If you have a job, I would definitely stop contributing to his kid's expenses. Keep your money separate. Now that I am broke, I have already spoken that my money is MY money...I don't care if he leaves by now. It is what it is. You need to think of YOU and not him anymore...

Bless you...

cabbage58's picture

It is really amazing how step parents get into these money situations and are forced to turn our heads and cough up the money without any regard for their spouse.We are all with you on the situation. good luck with the new arrangement

godess-clueless's picture

Dear diditanyway--- How about gathering up a few of the husband's personal belongings and selling them on craigs list or ebay. Just enough to cover the missing money loaned to the son. Or place them in one of those places that buy items and allow you to buy it back. The bills need to be paid on time and he would be sacrificing his treasured belongings for his son. A few times of this happening may change his attitude. I think if a parent wants to help their grown child they need to take on an additional job or be willing to sacrifice their own designated money or belongings to do so. The household income and credit standing should not be jeapordized.

Kes's picture

I felt really sorry for you reading through your post. Being close to retirement it feels wrong to have to be bailing out stepadults - they should now be taking YOU out to dinner. I have been with my DH for 9 years, it is 2nd marriage for both of us. He earns well, but his ex was lousy with money and when I met him he was £80,000 in debt. He has now paid that off. We have always had separate bank accounts - both current and savings, and I definitely wouldn't want it any other way, despite the fact that we both have the same attitude to money - similar to yours ie careful.
I can't give you any advice - you sound like a woman of good sense and I'm sure you will decide what needs to be done. Is there any chance he might have been joking about the interest?? If not I think I would definitely be looking at leaving!

LizzieA's picture

This is too much. Open your own account for your own bills. Your DH is not in touch with reality and if it was me I'd want to kick his ass.

sandye21's picture

I agree - totally sickening. The Interest comment is bothersome also. Obviously this man does not put his marriage first. You said you lost your job. Do you have any income so if you want to leave you will be able to?

diditanyway's picture

Thanks to all for such kind support.
Sorry, herewegoagain, the darling child was on the plane. Can't think why my outrage didn't send a shockwave of anger to knock it out of the sky. I guess my aim is off.
cabbage, the part of my brain that is working is grateful that I'm not alone. It also wonders why so many of us plug on like we do? Someone at my office commented on the bad changes in the atmosphere there. She said, "Well, we're now in a 'Swallow and Follow' mode. I'm thinking it's the same for my personal life. We're either all going to hell for being idiots, or heaven for being saints.
goddess, there is something in me that will not allow me to stoop to his level. Maybe I just want to be the innocent victim, but I'd prefer to think I'm better than he is. I don't want to do anything to him that I wouldn't want to happen to me. That appears to mean more to me than it does to my husband, but it suffices to keep me from crossing that line.
You're sweet, Kes. I imagine the interest thing was a joke because I'd commented on how much it was going to cost us to live on credit cards until I could get it under control again. Credit is a joke to him because he doesn't care to know how to manage money. To me, the inappropriateness of the comment was stunning in its coldness. That's what hit me so hard.
LizzieA, I'd love to kick his ass. Problem is, the blow wouldn't reach his head, which is where the jolt is needed. Legally, the bills are ours together, regardless of whose name is on them, so separating bills wouldn't work. If I tried doing that, he'd just ignore his and that would hurt my credit.
Mustang, there is nothing reasonable about a guilt-ridden father who wants to look like a hero to his kids, regardless of age. His middle son went into a rage and screamed that Daddy was abandoning him when he moved to my state to marry me. The son was 26 at the time. His only communication with his father over the last 5 years has been periodic vitriolic rampages to attack my character. My husband believes that I am being unreasonable and sees no reason why I should resent the loss of medical treatment. It just happens. His favorite phrase when something goes wrong and I am upset is, "Oh, it'll be fine." He's sure I'll be fine.
sandye, I haven't lost my job....yet. They are still cutting back and it's a fine line, though. I think I said I make about half what he does. Not enough on which to survive on my own. What's really scary about that is the possibility of losing my credit status and finding myself alone with no way to start again because of credit and my age.
So, today was strange. Husband stayed in bed all day. Still in bed, for that matter. I passed through when needed. As I was about to go out do do errands, I saw he was awake and said, "Was there anything you wanted to say to me?" He said, "Good morning." I replied, "How nice for you.", and left. The day has been quiet, but lonely. I did laundry, slipping in to change sheets when he was up for a few minutes, and spent a lot of time sitting in the sun room and reading in the quiet. It would have been nice except for the fact that I felt like I'd just gotten back from the funeral after the sudden death of my best friend.
Thank you all, again. You keep me from faltering and swallowing even more than I have to. I maintain a modicum of pride.

Shaktihgm's picture

Did-

I don't think anyone really wants to be called a "saint" (or icon of your choice) but hold onto that phrase ' I don't want to do anything to him that I wouldn't want to happen to me". You seem to be not only a (generally? relatively?) Smile good person, but a resilient and tough woman. I'm a fallen away Catholic but the Golden Rule gets me everytime.

P&B

sandye21's picture

Isn't it an odd feeling the morning after one of these 'powerless' confrontations that we feel like we have been through a silent hurricane, and we are in too numb to move? If we just quietly go on, maybe we won't feel the total impact of what has recently occurred - nor will we have to deal with the fact that it occurs oh too frequently. And life goes on - no apologies, no acclamations of our value, no assurances of love. For placing you so low on his priorities, for making such threatening 'jokes', for placing you in financial jeopardy, for ignoring your physical needs, you deserve more than just a 'Good Morning' – and your Husband needs to know it. He needs to know that no matter what your contribution to the family income, he is still dependent on you to give his entitled adult children the 'gifts' he wishes to bear - at your expense.

diditanyway's picture

You're right. It is like a storm blew through that you weren't expecting. You can only start to salvage one piece at a time. It's too hard to look at the whole thing. You can't yet walk away until you've done all you can for fear that looters will destroy it again if you turn your back. And they will.

DramaKing's picture

I understand your frustration. Please consider that your husband is content in the fact that he is using you, as a crutch. Your income and dedication to paying down debt, allows him to continue being just as much of a "user", as you perceive his children to be.

His current lifestyle would get a much-needed wake-up call, if you simply cut him off. Start your own account, save a month's worth of paychecks and simply leave.

I realize you may find this difficult to accept, but the financial inconvenience of separation, will be trivial, as compared the prolongment of your current situation.

I too, have often come to the bitter realization that by leaving my wife and her two adult sons to fend for themselves, would be "cutting off my nose, to spite my face. However, I'm simply unhappy and both mentally & spiritually unfulfilled, with my married life.

We feel cheated. A marriage is a partnership, not a "gimmee, get me and I want". We wonder why someone who puts little-to-no effort into something, is rewarded daily and their wants and needs come first, over our own.

Your husbands "bad wiring" cannot be fixed with your money. If hid childrens financial "wants", override your financial "needs", then let him be "married", to his kids

You appear to be a strong, intelligent, articulate woman. Finding someone who's right for you, will not be a problem. The only problem you really have, is denial of this fact.

diditanyway's picture

If I were even still in my 40's I would be just a dusty speck on the horizon, but I need to prepare for my own retirement and I'm going to need that good credit standing, as well. I hope I'm not in denial, but being practical, for once. When the time comes that we are both retired and on a fixed income, that will be the time to divide the assets. On the positive side, I've learned while I still have a few years to prepare, that I am going to be on my own again.

diditanyway's picture

Karma is good!!!!!!
He left for work at 5:30 this morning, then called me at 6:00. He was standing on the side of the interstate in rush hour traffic. His motorcycle had died on him and he was stranded. That's not the good part, though. Not being a total bitch, I went to get him and the bike. When we got back home, he went to look up info on the problem. Guess what it will cost to repair the bike?
EXACTLY WHAT HE SENT HIS SON!!!
I said, "Well, if things go well in the next few months, you might have enough money in your personal account to buy yourself a Christmas present." Smile

sandye21's picture

LOVE IT!!! LOL Sometimes revenge is sweet. If he bitches about the 'Christmas present' comment you could tell him you will loan him the money - at 20% interest, of course.

Shaktihgm's picture

Ditto!

Shaktihgm's picture

Did-
Two things jumped out at me about your posts-you seem to have been able to maintain a sense of humor and you are an excellent writer! You can see my posts for my issues - still going on w/27yr old ASD & now putting my 20yr old @ University @ risk for his Jr year because of her finances. Been out of work (fundraiser/grantwriter) for 2+ years; arranged finances for SAHM (have a 12 yr old BD) now going into a paid training program because I know we are going to be on the hook for his (married) daughter's bills. DH has govt. job & good $, but has never been able to manage $ and can't be honest about his daughter and how she causes problems for us and our children. I too manage all the bills, and my cr is about 750+. All our accounts out of his name, so if judgements come I don't think I'll be on the hook.

I had a couple of drinks the other day and basically told DH his DD is a loser & user. (Felt kinda bad next day, but same as w/ your DH, woke up and kissed me like nothing had happened). Get yourself financially safe. This community is w/you. By the way, just turned 50 & have early onset osteo (younger sister too) so I feel you. _TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF. Sounds like you still love DH; me too, but... Love your last post - Karma does out! Smile I think you should write a book!

Peace & Blessings.