Step-father has been looking for a way out for years
A little background; so he's almost 90 and my mom is almost 80. He's a malignant narcissist, veteran, and just generally the most egotistical person I've ever known. He's written 6 or 7 books about himself and that's all he reads. You can't talk to him for 5 minutes without him relating a story about his life and one-upping you. I detest being around him and so does my mom.
Anyway, he tried to send out a forward about the the coronavirus that was completely erroneous and I contacted him to say so with the Snopes fact check and he was magnanimous enough to admit it to all his other contacts...great. But his daughter thinks I'm always trying to discredit him and I replied that I'm just trying to stop the spread of misinformation. I said if he didn't send out BS I wouldn't have to call him on it. I told him that I wasn't going to entertain the bullshit and told his daughter that I had dealt with that BS for years and was sick of it. I can't innumerate the times he's told us one thing and done another, or changed his story to the complete opposite.
Now they are calling me a whiner and telling me to grow up. The level of vitriol is shocking. He's planning on leaving my mom in about a week, but not brave enough to even divulge that. I found out by overhearing. He's actually surprised that my mom isn't loyal to him after years of him and his daughter putting me down. I just want to know what the community thinks. Am I wrong for pointing out his bullshit in these times of the coronavirus when fraudulent forwards can have dangerous consequences. Should I actually feel guilt for "breaking up the marriage" when they are the ones planning to abandon her?
How should I best proceed? I'm almost wanting to say GTFO before he's due to leave in a week so I can beat him to the punch, but I'd also really like to squash this whole thing because I hate having conflict with my family, but they seem to be leaving me no choice.
Tell your Mom
Depending on the legalities and financials she needs to know.
Better do it now.
Rather odd for 2 people of
Rather odd for 2 people of this age to divorce.
I have always believed if you have affair info, or divorce info---talk to the person who is doing it, "Hey I know you are blah blah blah, either you tell MY mom today, or I will"
Giving the person the chance to come clean to the spouse first.
This is awful for a woman of her age. Get a good lawyer for her.
Very sad, I am sorry.
Sometimes, it's better to
Sometimes, it's better to stay quiet. While what you said may have been truthful, is this the outcome you wanted to acheive? Was it helpful or kind?
You don't say anything about your mother's feelings towards her husband, but your words should have been chosen with consideration for her. Your SF may be an a$$hole, but he's HER a$$hole and it's her choice whether to stay with him. How do you think she'll take the news that he's leaving?
I have a brother who sends
I have a brother who sends around all kinds of nonsense. He's an anti-vaxxer, so 'nuff said.
I just delete it. I'm not going to change his mind.
Not sure StepTalk is for you.
You've been a "member" here for less than 2 hours and you want advice on how to deal with a stepfather you don't like.
As advertised, this is a site for STEPPARENTS to vent. Typically, stepkids (no matter their age) who come on here asking for advice on how to deal with a stepparent are usually not going to get the kind of answers they want, Not to be harsh, but I don't understand what kind of insights you want from us.
It's kind of like someone going to a support group for battered spouses. He's a stranger, shows up for the first time, sits down and then tells the group he likes to take swings at his wife because she is so annoying ... and then expecting the group to support that viewpoint. Not going to go over well.
Sorry all, didn't realize
Sorry all, didn't realize this was for stepparents only. Good advice from you, Thumper. Upgrade Wife, you have no idea to what degree I've "launched". It's exactly your kind of vitriol and judgementality I'm fighting against. Just because I feel the need to take care of my mom doesn't mean I haven't achieved the goals that society has deemed necessary for me. I understand you are all stepparents, but that shouldn't stop you from seeing right from wrong. My mother has been the victim or a bullying, narcissist for years and all I want is for her to stop being taken advantage of...it is very telling, the reactions of some of you...
My opinion
You say he's 90 and your mother is 80? That's very late in life to get divorced are you sure this isn't just him talking more bs? How would your mother react to this do you think? Relieved or would she be upset?
Re: My Opinion
You never know with this guy as his plans change erratically from day to day, but I would say he's serious about leaving. He won't get a divorce as he's a staunch Catholic, but he will separate nonetheless. He's been Wintering in Arizon the last 2 years as it is. As for my mom, she's not upset that he's going, but rather she welcomes it. I'm just upset that he's doing this on principle. She's much happier without him so I should just shut my mouth and let it happen.
Then why don't you?
Yes, I think you should.
I’d move back in with my mum too
If my mum was 80 years old and needed me I would 100% be moving back in to help her just for all those saying your wrong for it. If your mum won't kick him out and he isn't going to leave her there's not much you can do. If he does leave the only thing you can do is be there for your mum if/when she needs you. It must be an awful situation to be in for her especially at her time in life and if she knows what he's planning the uncertainty will be hard for her. I would do what a pp suggested and tell him you know he is planning on leaving your mum because you heard him say it and he needs to tell her before you do. I would recommend (whether you take the advice or not is your choice) broach the subject very carefully. Not rude or aggressive just say something like "I heard a phone call the other day and you said you wanted to leave my mum, is that true?" See what he says about it and go from there. Always imho of course. Good luck
He didn't move in to take
He didn't move in to take care of his mom. He's 43 years old and never moved out.
I took it as
I took it as he had been living with the situation of a step father not actually living in the house with them?
See. . . this is why this is
See. . . this is why this is not a good place for SKs to vent. Right and wrong is not always so apparent in any marriage, and esp. when it comes to step-situations. There are many many SKs, many who assume their bio-parent is 100% being snowed by SM or step-dad. They are absolutely convinced of it, totally forgetting that the bio-parent is an adult with free-will, to come or go or make decisions for themselves. No, SM or step-dad is not sprinkling mind-control dust on mom or dad’s cereal in the am. Now, SM or step-dad may truly be nuts, but that is up to their spouse or partner to address.
And, there are many situations that can come up in step-families where the step-parent can, in a way, be set-up by the bio-parent for failure. When it comes to step-dads, for instance, many BMs like to always be the good-parent, never disciplining their own kids, and instead leaving the disciplining part pretty much solely to step-dad. This makes BM look even more like a saint, and step-dad, well. . . it makes him look like a “bullying, mind-fucking narcissist.” Some parents, having a bad day, will even go to their kids and say something like, “XYZ makes me so upset sometimes!” Well. . . the next day, the bio-parent and step-parent have made up. Meanwhile, the SK thinks the step-parent is a total a$$.
Also, given BM’s and step-dad’s ages in this situation, you have all sorts of issues of dementia or Alzheimer’s that can come up too, where one of the couple may really be going off the deepend, but the other partner is fully aware of this and is determined to stick their life and marriage out, ‘til death do them part, because they don’t want to leave or divorce someone just because of a difficult disease.
So, there are many, many extenuating circumstances that most SKs haven’t even remotely thought about. They are kids. They see any parent’s marriage differently than the parents themselves, regardless. You may be right about your step-dad; but, usually it is a case of not being able to see the forest through the trees.
Idk what you guys situation
Idk what you guys situation is, but from a stepparent point of view, a son living at home at age 43 to "take care of his mom" would be a worst nightmare scenario. He may ne the devil himself for all i know, so if your goal is to run him off, keep doing what you're doing. Keep living there, keep publicly correcting him, and keep involving yourself in their relationship. If you think your mother would be happiest if her marriage is stable, please stay out of it, move out, and leave them to their final years and visit and talk on the phone.
You've lived with your
You've lived with your stepfather for 25 years, so you've never actually separated yourself from your mother to build your own path and individual life?
You're 43 years old, whining because stepdaddy writes books about himself. People do that; it's called an autobiography. How many people forward BS on social media? Millions! You sound like a petty 43 yo mama's boy who can't stand having to share her. Stepdad is probably beyond sick of having his grown stepson under his roof.
You mentioned that your mom detests being around him, so why hasn't she left? This is HER relationship, HER marriage, HER business. Yes, you should feel guilty about breaking up her marriage. Mind your own business! You keep referring to "us" and "them". There should be no "us" or "them". The marriage belongs to two people, not four. "I'm almost wanting to say GTFO before he's due to leave in a week so I can beat him to the punch". Your attitude is that of the stereotypical entitled bratty stepkid. Grow up man. It isn't your place to determine what's best for their marriage. I guarantee you've played a large role in any bad attitude your stepdad has. I love my stepkids dearly, but there's no way in hell they'd be a permanent fixture in my home after 20. 25+ years?? As a stepparent, if my husband refused to give his kids the boot, I'd leave them to each other.
Thanks
No, I haven't lived with them for 25 years, I've lived on my own. It's very disheartening to see the animosity on this site without knowing the situation. Thanks Dc3sc2 for your advice. I'll be going now.
Sorry
I assumed you meant you had been living with the situation of this step father on your profile and saw all the living with your mum thing and thought you had moved back in maybe I'm wrong sorry if I am.
If this man, your step-dad,
If this man, your step-dad, was indeed a “malignant narcissist, veteran,” he never would have been magnanimous enough to admit it to you, much less to all his other contacts. Narcissists never admit they are wrong to anyone, including themselves. This man not only admitted he was wrong to you, but further noted “his error” to his contacts. I’m guessing he could have easily countered back, but out of generosity went along with your disagreeing with him (a/k/a wanting to stick it to him) to keep the peace. THAT is what his kids were probably PO’d about—you asininely trying to one-up step-dad, probably for the 10,000th time, and rub everyone’s noses in it.
It is not uncommon for narcissists to think others have the problems that they do. Here is a list of characteristics:
Now I can’t say what characteristics here your step-dad may or may not have. However, since he did admit he was wrong to you and others, he at least appears to be able to empathize. You came to a site supposedly looking for advice, and when you were given it, you stated, “It's very disheartening to see the animosity on this site without knowing the situation.” To me, that at least hints of lack of empathy or feelings of superiority. But, you did like Dc3sc2’s advice, perhaps showing you “can be enslaved with flattery.” I would even go further and say it sounds like mom is your delicacy and step-dad is your toothache.
You are not wrong.
Facts matter.