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the SD17 logic of why she can't be nice to me....... or like me ever....

buterfly_2011's picture

So SO went for the face to face with SD17 yesterday. It lasted about a half hour. He asked her if she'd like to go for a drive she said no what ever needs to be said can be said in front of my grandma (BM's mom) so he said ok. He asked her if she is willing to work things out. Willing to accept me. Be respectful of me. Be understanding of how much he loves me and that he also loves her that it's two different loves and it is normal. He said this is your choice. You are making a choice to try to be in this family or alienate yourself from what we are trying to do as a family. Her response was well she yelled at me in January. And well it's like girl code. Girls just don't get along dad. When there is a man involved you just can't get along. That's how it is. That's how it will be. So he then said so you are telling me you aren't willing to work on it. That means SD17 that ALL our summer plans will not include you if you can't figure out how to deal with this issue. She said yes I know and yes it's my choice. So he asked her one more time so what you're saying to me is YOU are NOT willing to compromise with us. She said no. He said so you want me to come over here (45 miles from our house) and spend time with just us but you aren't willing to do your part on giving things a chance. She again said no. His answer was well that just doesn't work for me. Sorry you feel that way and he then walked out. She texted him something as he was leaving... but he didn't respond.
So she isn't coming into our home. Which is fine by me. I am just almost speechless at her logic. Her mother fills her full of illogical shit. And that is hard to reverse. I told SO last night well if that's how it is going to be then they all need to stop calling and badgering him regarding this little brat. She is making a choice here. She is almost 18. It's not like we are dealing with a 10 year old. This girl is almost 18 but going on about 25. Her attitude is shitty. I think SO has the right to treat her as an adult if she is going to be making adult choices. What kills me is BM is the one who gave her the option to spend the summer with her mother. And now she is calling telling SO that this is BS and SD needs to be with us. How is this working? THEY gave her a choice. I think BM just likes to call and scream. So she can tell SO what a crappy dad he is what a crappy overall person he is and how every day he makes mistakes with his kids and they will grow to hate him and he will be sorry. BLA BLA BLA...... I think she says all those things because she gets off on the thrill of trying to hurt him. After she gets off the phone she sighs relief. It's a high for her to build herself up to feel so powerful and controlling. SO told SD that he of course loves her and he hopes that she one day realizes that. That even if he were to die tomorrow he would want her to know he loves her. And he is always willing to try if she is willing. That little bitch took that and called her BM and told her SO was going to commit suicide over the two of them. OMG don't freaken flatter yourself bitches. Seriously.......... that was another call from BM. Screaming and yelling. Ugh.... I was so emotionally exhausted yesterday I could barely function.

I told SO last night that if he can't ignore his phone then he needs to ask himself some serious questions. Because I will NOT be with a man who is still mentally married to his ex wife and daughter. :O

Delilah's picture

Butterfly I do think you have the right to peace and quiet in your home, and that includes not having BM harass you.

It seems to me that sd has been given far too much power in terms of deciding where she wants to spend her summer. Ok, granted she IS 17 and I think at that age they can make decisions but NOT if its going to result in BM harassing you both at every turn over something new, like money, changing her mind about grandma having sd...it strikes me that MANY of these BM's constantly change their tune when its no longer convenient for them or if it hasnt had the required result in pissing the dad and SM off. Certainly our BM used to be unpredictable in the direction of her whims and would have no problem contradicting herself during her "conversations" with DH (read as screaming at him and demanding). As it is, both sd and BM needs to be informed that seeing as sd made the decision to stay at grandma's and NOT abide by your house rules, then DH doesnt want to hear about the latest drama/money emergency end of.

Obviously BM cannot be trusted to control her urges to harass you and DH, so its time to manage her lack of impulse control. I think DH should ignore her phonecalls and allow them to go to VM, he can screen them and if the recorded message indicts it is NOT an emergency he should delete. If BM is threatening you or him, then imo he needs to report her to the Police. She is an emotional terrorist and the only way to control these types of people is to distance yourself and put safeguards in place to minimise contact with her! Change your house number if necessary. If DH is unable to prevent himself from answering her calls, then I would inform DH you do NOT wish to be informed of the calls unless its absolutely necessary e.g. emergency or involves you directly. That way at least YOU can distance yourself emotionally from this and start to heal!

p.s. your DH did the right thing is ensuring sd is aware the door is open for her to reach out and make an effort, however he was also right in making sure she is aware of the boundaries she is expected to maneouver within towards you. Well done DH!

just tired's picture

I agree with saffron5567. Your SO did an awesome job! It's a start. Let that settle in with the bitches for a while, and then maybe he can address the phone issue.

Do something nice for SO today....reward him for job well done.

Ommy's picture

"And well it's like girl code. Girls just don't get along dad. When there is a man involved you just can't get along. That's how it is. That's how it will be."

I thought the girl code like that only applied when it is in a "sexual" type of relationship. Father and daughter, daughter and SM are not at the same level. Of course two women sleeping with the same guy wont get along, but the type of relationship that SHE SHOULD have with her father does not apply to the "girl code" she has some serous Daddy issues and has been listening to her mother for far to long.

buterfly_2011's picture

OMMY!!!!!! That's exactly what I told SO last night. This isn't a boyfriend issue this is daughter father and Father SM..... And it is disturbing that this girl has that confusion........

I got significant other a card this morning. And I'm thinking I will get him a couple of his favorite treats. I am proud of him. I just am exhausted from BM and her constant mind games.... I hope he does what he said last night and stops answering. I always tell him if its really important she will leave a VM. But when she calls over and over and over it's just for her to scream at him and nothing else.

just tired's picture

My DH NEVER answers BM's calls or texts or emails. He does not engage with her in any way. It only leads to more b.s. The only way he would respond is if SD14 was in the hospital or something.

And about a year ago, I told him to stop telling me if/when he's heard from BM. Hearing the stuff she spews at him is just upsetting, so why do that to myself. And it generally is all about what a skanky ho I am and how could he fall for my lies, etc. So, I drew a boundary and said keep it to yourself, I don't need to know.

That has helped me soooo much!

Ommy's picture

It is extremely disturbing. My parents are still Happily married, however I was a complete Daddy's girl, he wanted a boy and he tried to turn me into one. We did everything from fishing, hunting, dirt bikes, ect. But never once did I ever feel that my relationship with him was ever a competition with my mom. I was the child. She has some major issues.

congratulations sex?

hereiam's picture

Yep. Our psycho bitch called once after CS was done and out of curiosity, my husband answered the phone. He told her, "I have nothing to say to you." She has not called again.

He had told her before, when she told him they were bound forever because of SD, that once CS was done, he NEVER had to speak to her again. I guess she didn't believe him. She does now.

buterfly_2011's picture

Sadly it wont' be over when SD is 18..... because he has boys with this woman too. We are tied to her for 7 more years. And I'm sure she will try to tie in many more after that. Because kids have weddings. Kids have babies.... kids make mistakes and kids always come home. This is a forever deal with kids BUT with her it's not. And I pray my SO realizes this. Last night he promised to not answer his phone anymore. I asked him to not promise things like that. But I did make it very clear if he does answer her calls and listens to her horrible remarks and questioning of his manhood and fatherhood I would not be there to keep picking up the pieces. He would have to take the call out of earshot of me and keep it to himself. I for one am tired of the drama. And I honestly am tired of picking up the pieces after she destroys him in a matter of an hour. She calls. He answers. He is on his own. I just won't partake in it anymore. I can't. I hope he follows through and doesnt' answer. AND I hope he follows through with no more texts to SD about things that need to be said in person. So she isn't forwarding those things to her mom so they can laugh etc...... or so BM can put those texts into her illogical ways of thinking. I pray for all of us. Daily.....

hereiam's picture

But if he continues to take her calls and listen to her rants, it will affect you even if he is not saying anything to you about i,t because it will be affecting him. He does not deserve to listen to that crap. So, I hope he keeps his promise and does not answer the phone, for his sake and yours.

stepmisery's picture

But I did make it very clear if he does answer her calls and listens to her horrible remarks and questioning of his manhood and fatherhood I would not be there to keep picking up the pieces. He would have to take the call out of earshot of me and keep it to himself.

Very wise on your part. He did his part with his daughter, he handled that very well IMO, sad and upsetting to him I'm sure but life rolls on. This decision by you and this action by him should bring you some relief and peace.

Smomof3's picture

seen to much of BM's corrupting kids. This one will be warped for a long time until she's older and tries to ull away from BM and can't because of control issues. Then she'll understand daddy completely.