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tom1's picture

a lot of you asked about the specific situation on my last blog. so here is it... by the way thank you for replies.

i was at a family gathering hosted by my sister with my wife,and my daughters were there... my wife and daughter were alone in the room,i didnt want to leave them but i didnt even know - daughter was in the room, wife went to the bathroom.. wife walked in the room, so..my wife and daughter 14 years old got in an argument, then it became a fight and my wife slapped my daughter. my daughter then hit her, then it became an actual fight. by the time we got there to separate them it was ending anyway.
my wife is coming home tomorrow and my ill be seeing my daughter tomorrow evening too.
im not sure what to think or how to react. so i asked here.

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qtpie013178's picture

That's a tough situation. Stand by your wife, she was wrong if she hit your daughter first, but it seems like your daughter may have picked a fight on purpose.

Ask both of them for their side of the story separately, and then together. From there try to weed out the truth.

tom1's picture

I find it hard to stand by my wife because she's the one who hit first,and i find it hard to stand by my daughter because a slap back - alright,what can i expect..
but her reaction was too violent and unneccessary.

they told me the same story.
my wife was trying to be the "boss",my daughter was pretty rude.. but it's still something that could have been handled without a fight.

Anon2009's picture

You have to protect your minor child. If that means you leave your wife, that's what it means.

purpledaisies's picture

OK yes I could have should have but it didn't . So where do you go from here? Stand by your wife, why. B/c she is the adult and you don't want your DD to think she above your wife b/c she isn't.

Here's the thing I did thus to my mom and my DD do this to me. I got hit and so dud my DD. If thus were her mom would you think other wise like you are thing about your wife? No way would you think it was all on the mom and not stand by her in regard to respecting her as her mom. So why are you questioning your wife? No different you know your DD provoked and you know your wife reacted. Perhaps you need to tell your DD that if she plays with the big dogs to expect to get hurt.

tom1's picture

it would be different if it was her MOM because a parent has the right to discipline a child physically, a stepparent doesn't.
and plus not even i hit her,why would i let anyone else do it.

my dd isn't the one who got actually hurt, my wife is.

purpledaisies's picture

Anon I understand protection a minor really I do. However I've been there dine that with my own mom and with my DD I get why step mom hit SD. Most if the time it takes just one time of putting teen girls in their place and they wont do it again.

Honestly we don't know how many times SD has provoked am as Tom has said he didn't want to leave them alone. That tells me there is a history here and perhaps am had enough.

tom1's picture

it didn't put her in her place,she just got angry and retaliated. which makes it even harder to decide what to do.

purpledaisies's picture

Yea but at the same is stepmom there to be shit on and take it? Hell no!

Eta: I'm not saying what am did was right but at the same time I do believe SD provoked and one too many times and sm felt this was the only way she could get her and her dh to get it that is not to be shit on any more and she's not going to take it.

Anon2009's picture

She should have left the room then (the SM).

ETA: "sm felt this was the only way she could get her and her dh to get it that is not to be shit on any more and she's not going to take it."

Obviously, that was not the outcome because the kid hit her right back.

realitycheckmom's picture

Did the SM hit or did she slap? Also what did skid say before this happened? If she hit then how did she do it? Open hand, closed fist? How hard was it? Did it leave a red mark?

Starla's picture

Thank you for explaining it bc it is hard trying to answer a half asked question. Um in your opinion, are they both wrong? I mean this nicely, how and why did it get to that point? I don't want to just say who is right or wrong, I would rather find out how long this tension has been building, did you know about it, have you done anything about it, and what would you like to see out of it? My opinion, your wife is out of line laying her hand on another yes. What are you willing to do to prevent her from doing so again? As a father of a minor, its really on you to protect your child. Seriously if she touched her once, the anger is there and you don't know what she could ultimately do should she become upset enough. Feelings for love is a blessing and all but your minor child here needs your protection at least until she is of age.

I understand your wifes feelings believe me but I never once touched my SD in anger. As in outsider with nothing to loose, people go to jail/prison over this. If your not reporting it, your daughter might be and not even realize it. Your wife put you all in danger by crossing that fine line. I really hope things work out smoothly for ya, I just am one of those people who thinks about the worst and hopes for the best. My suggestion, get them two separated.

Disneyfan's picture

This is a no brainier for me. Your wife crossed the line.

Would she had reacted the same way with an adult?

Disneyfan's picture

Most adults won't hit another adult because they.know they will get hit back.

OP, how will your daughter's mother react to this? If I were her, I would not rest until I got my hands on your wife.

buckeyemama's picture

Hold them BOTH accountable for their actions. Let them both know that you are disappointed in their behavior. No Blood and DNA didn't make them family, marriage did, but they are family and families have disagreements. Violence is not the answer and they both need to calmly sit down and talk about their issues. Let them both know that this will NOT happen again. I have SD's and BD's... my BD's fight a lot, I drew boundaries when they were teenagers and let them know that hitting was NOT PERMITTED in my house ever. Let your wife and daughter know that you love them BOTH and that you refuse to take sides, they will want you to, but tell them that they need to resolve their issues peacefully.

Lalena75's picture

If you don't support your wife your dd will walk all over her and it is likely your dd has been pushing her long before this fight, but SM should of walked away she should of had you smack your kid, maybe you don't discipline effectively and your kid has been mini wifeing it up bossing around SM you know your wife the #1 woman in your life, and maybe you've spoiled her so much she expected SM to do as she wants rather than remembering her place is as a child not an adult. Now when I responded to your other blog my concern was the regular smacking of a young child not a mouth bitchy teen (she 13 I guarantee this description fits) So dad what have you done or not done as a parent and partner to your wife to lead to this situation happening?

purpledaisies's picture

OK sorry my phone died. I don't think what sm did was right. However she is only human and how much do you expect her to take? She reached her limit. Of course she should have walked way and had you take care of it. But why did it get to this point us the question you need to ask yourself. B/c if you are teaching your DD respect or just not deciplaning her then your wife probably feels it is pointless to have you do anything.

I've been there don't that with my mom and my DD I sassed my mom and she slapped me my DD sassed me and I slapped her. Now of course this was after some time of the buttons being pushed but it still happened. Most teen girls will push it they get put back in their place.

tom1's picture

So if she was way out of line, what should she have done?
would you let someone slap you and not do anything?

Anon2009's picture

This sm should catch some heat from him too. What would you do if your spouse (stepparent) hit your child?

No child in their right mind is going to love or or like their sp after the sp hits them (especially if the sp hit first). So how are they going to respect that sp? I'm sure you wouldn't respect your sp as a person after they hit you. And people can only take so much before they snap, both kids and adults. So how much sucking up should the kids have to do after the sp hit them or did something else at least bordering on illegal?

This man needs to protect his child. Doesn't matter that the sm is his wife. I respectfully think you're way off on this.

Anon2009's picture

This "adult" should've walked out of the room. There are ways of letting some know you're pi$$ed at them other than hitting.

I don't think many of us, as kids would respect the person who hit us first. As adults we may realize we were wrong but still feel there were other ways for that "adult" to express that.

Yosemite's picture

WTF? I DON'T CARE WHAT ARGUMENT WAS GOING ON, NO ONE BETTER LAY HANDS ON MY KID!
Personally, I think your wife better be watching her ass cause BM is coming for her. If not to physically kick her ass, then to involve the police or courts or CPS or whatever else she can think of. If BM wasn't crazy before, she will be now. And rightfully so.
Does your kid have issues? Sounds like it. Was SM pushed and pushed hard by a disrespectful teen? Sure seems like it. Did you do anything about it? Doesn't sound like it. If the teen had been the one to hit SM first, maybe very small maybe, I could see an instinctive response of hitting back, maybe.
But smacking someone else's kid is not okay ever. The problem for me is if SM lost control to this extent, if you allow them around each other the situation will probably escalate because the teen now knows exactly what buttons to push to get SM to show her ass.
You know them both the best and you can tell if they would be able to work it out with some time apart and lots of counseling.
But personally, it's a moot point cause I think BM is going to take this ammunition and slaughter you if you even think about staying with your wife.

Anon2009's picture

"WTF? I DON'T CARE WHAT ARGUMENT WAS GOING ON, NO ONE BETTER LAY HANDS ON MY KID!
Personally, I think your wife better be watching her ass cause BM is coming for her. If not to physically kick her ass, then to involve the police or courts or CPS or whatever else she can think of. If BM wasn't crazy before, she will be now. And rightfully so."

This!!!

Anon2009's picture

"Honestly, good for your daughter for standing up for herself. Someone struck her, and she let them know that is NOT a good idea. I think it's terrific that your wife is the "one with injuries." Bravo to your kid for not being someone's whipping post."

Amen!

Shook's picture

Your concern should be getting professional help asap just for this issue alone.
Spare the rod, spoil the child---true but we now live in an age where respect is no longer a priority when it comes to teen-adult relationships so adults can come unhinged pretty quickly especially when there's no way to physically retaliate---no matter what people's beliefs are--it's a legal & domestic liability.

You are in no position to take sides, seems to me you don't even know or want to. Seek help right now before things get ugly. Put it in someone else's experienced hands that know how to deal with situations like this all the time that can help all three of you.

purpledaisies's picture

This is something I feel strongly about as I've been there done that. I agree with the ones that said this is more than just a slap. Obviously there were problems way before. This happened. You failed to protect your wife and your DD. I say that b/c you knew there was crap going in between them and you didn't do anything to prevent this from happening.

You knew your DD hates sm and sasses which is why you didn't want to leave them alone. You didn't protect your wife by teach your DD to respect her sm weather she likes her or not. You them didn't protect your DD by teaching her to respect sm weather she likes her or not.

How much disrespect did you expect your wife to handle before it blew up like it did?

And you saying that sm doesn't have the right to disclpian is where your problem is. You expect sm to treat your kids like her own but how can she if she can't correct her? You have unrealistic expectations on your wife with that.

Anon2009's picture

If I were the bm I'd have the police on SM and hitting her with criminal charges regardless of what led up to that. I'd do everything I legally could to make her life a nightmare.

Shook's picture

Purple is so right.

Also it happened, now what?
Sit & wait for BM's fallout?
Just sit there wondering whose side you should be on?
You really need to get up & get help with someone experienced in sorting this through. You obviously aren't able to handle this. To continue to do nothing, is what brought you to here in the first place.

And in fairness, if you did do something, it obviously wasn't effective. Teens need to listen to adults. Adult's house, adult's rules. SM should not have had to fend for herself from YOUR daughter but she also should not have lost it on someone else's child.

If you think choosing sides is going to help anything now, that's just another sign of NOT dealing with the problem effectively. I know it's tough.

We have a very angry teen in our house. If anyone would throw the first punch, it would be him. But I already know there's a big chance that will happen so I'm prepared for it. And yes, we're all in therapy.

Most Evil's picture

I think if it got so bad an SM felt the need to slap an SD, bring all the cops, BMs etc. because the SM would probably be done with the whole situation anyway.

I don't think SM would cry over being kept away from SD, more likely celebrate instead.

I think anyone who hears this knows the slap was provoked and if it is assault for one, it is assault for both. I would definitely press charges against anyone who assaulted me regardless of their age.

If the dad wants to let his daughter rule, let him get a divorce ... It would not be a big loss for SM.

Shook's picture

Yep, and teens don't back down either. They keep pushing & pushing & don't be fooled, they know the law too. My Skid kept challenging me, I threw a suitcase on the floor a whole foot away from him & he yelled, "I'm going to report you for throwing that on my toes"---sounded much like BM. I told him, good! Go for it! This time I'd like them to haul you away.

On many times, he needed a spanking---but I'm not about to go to court for that on my shoulders especially since BM HAS SPANKED & SLAPPED HER OWN CHILDREN. God forbid if I did it.

It would definitely be a good reprieve for the SM.

Anon2009's picture

"Yep, and teens don't back down either."

So why did this sm hope her sd would back down if she hit her? Everyone knows teens don't back down.

I hope SMs fellow inmates teach her a good lesson.

Shook's picture

Oh trust that I'd never do it. I joke but I've never done it & won't ever. But I can see where it all escalated from. Just go back to Tom's original post about his daughters & SM. If I had a skid that started out hating me like that, I might as well pack it in & just get out. Because my teen skid has severe anger issues that we take him to therapy for. Skid learned from his BM that throwing tantrums & insults is a way of challenging people. And FYI, our BM is the one that has hit & slapped skid. That's why we have full custody. But as I say, there are ALWAYS 2 sides to everything.

purpledaisies's picture

The police don't need to be involved all that is going to do is teach his DD that she be a brat and get away with it and he will lose his wife just like his DD wants.

Tom you need to get someone experienced with step families and have all you in counciling.

purpledaisies's picture

Yes I am if Tom wants to lose his wife then yes call them
I never said sm was right to slap but come on its not the end of the world. The girl was wrong too and needs to be taught it was wrong. This is a family issue not a police issue.

This is a case where SD was being disrespectful and dad did nothing about it and sm reached her limit. Now Tom needs to go back and think what could he have done to prevent this. The answer us that he should have protected them both and he choose not to.

Tom knew that hus DD hates his wife but didn't teach her to respect her as an adult in her life heance the sassing. He didn't protect DD by not calming her butt down towards his wife.

Shook's picture

...And Treefrog. Assumptions??
Hello you not reading the same blog here that we are?
Poster KNEW it was going to trouble because he knows there's existing problems.

And FYI, though I don't dole out physical punishment, I'll tell you something, the previous generations are a hell of a lot more respectful than they are now & the calling the cops actually meant trouble. My crazy BM calls the cops on the kids for every stupid little thing. And SHE is the slapper in the family.

Shook's picture

Treefrog, I'll do you one better. Here's his blog about his daughters:
http://www.steptalk.org/node/136709

Tom says he didn't want to leave them alone together. That should be an indication enough that he fears something's going to explode. Now read his blog on his daughter.

Like so many daughters on this site, they auto-hate their SMs & demand the undivided attention of their fathers. And not sure how many teen skids you have Treefrog, but it is almost impossible to have a civil, mature conversation with a TEEN skid if they have already walk into SM's life & decided hating her.

When I was a kid, if I ever challenged & disrespected my parents, especially at a party at my aunt's...I'd get a slap across my face for sure & probably much more when we got home plus a month's grounding.

Shook's picture

How many times is "HATE" written on that blog & on those posts & how many names the daughter calls her SM even to her father's face? You actually think the teen here didn't provoke it?

IMO, I think SD actually waited until she got to this party to start crap just so she could show her strong will & don't mess with her (as she had previous problems with her aunt as well).

LOL it's oozing so much venom it epitomizes a nightmare stepchild that will do anything to break up Daddy's marriage to SM. She's lucky I'm NOT HER SM }:)

Disneyfan's picture

I would have walked away from this marriage a long time ago.

After that fight, I'd RUN from this relationship. I would go crazy wondering when the police, CPS and BM would be coming for me.

Also, I don't know any men who would stay with a woman who did this. So I'd start looking for a good divorce attorney.

Shook's picture

Then you must have just stopped at the first paragraph & didn't read the entire blog & all the posts, including his posts. You just went straight to what you wanted to read.

Shook's picture

LMAO. Is there a manual here I can read on what happens when a crew gets slapped? LOL now I get what everyone's talking about lol.

Most Evil's picture

I think the cops should be called and both SD and SM charge each other with assault.

Let this go to a judge and let SD have this on her record also. if one is punished they both deserve to be punished.

Shook's picture

Either way, whether he does call or not, it doesn't matter IF someone will do something to bring it forth to light, it will be WHEN. He needs to get all 3 of them in professional counseling now.

If they call the cops, it will be a problem involving BM & loss of custody. So what? She's 17 only a year to go. But SM will file for divorce. Still need to go to therapy.

If they don't call the cops now, SD will have this hanging over his & SM's head as ammunition for blackmail. Eventually will get found out & still need to go to therapy.

Do nothing about it, except choose sides, you may as well just cocoon yourself shut & expect everyone to resent you & leave you alone.

Shook's picture

Yep. The funny thing is the BM probably gets along with the SM in this case & the Dad gets along with the future SF. So really, the teen needs to get help desperately. She's too young to be running the show. Not how it works little girl. And if I was her SM & she were rude to me at a party? I still wouldn't slap her, but some of the fruit punch may make it onto her party dress.

Shook's picture

LOL that's true.
But anything stronger & I may have slapped her sooner.
And we thought our SS's were trouble. I think I'd really run with an SD like that.