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Long distance custody plan due to COVID?

surprisestepmother's picture

So things have changed. The new thing that's come up is the very real possibility that there may not be a job market for me if we stay in this state. I'm a wedding planner, and have experience in corporate event planning. The state we currently live in has the harshest lockdown strategies, and is slated to be the longest hold out for reopening.  It's entirely possible that the entire industry will collapse here under all the rules. 

The company I work for is holding meetings to try to figure out long term plans if we can't work anymore for years. I've had meetings with my boss, who promises to try to find all of us jobs with her connections in other states if the "worst happens", but obviously there aren't unlimited openings, especially in this time.

This is now a major discussion in my household. The fact of the matter is that if I can't work in this field, I will only be able to get retail jobs, which wouldn't even make up for the cost of childcare. My husband could work anywhere, but I'm quickly running into a position where we either have to move states, or I have to commit to being a SAHM.

We have SD EOWE, Wed/Thurs on the week we don't have a weekend, split holidays, and half of summer. If we moved away, obviously this would change. My husband is adamant that he won't "abandon his child".

I understand my husbands commitment to SD, but this is not a normal move-away discussion. This is not "10k more max for one parent's job". It's the difference between whether I can work or not. This would literally be the difference between an upper middle class life and a just above the poverty line life.

It can't be unreasonable to at least consider this, especially since I would have to make a decision quickly once the time comes.

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tog redux's picture

Honestly, I know people make long-distance custody work, but I don't blame DH for not wanting to do it. Are your skills transferable or would you be able to go back to school?

surprisestepmother's picture

To qualify for most entry level office jobs, I would need to go back to school for a 4 year degree. My current field is mostly reputation based, so it was fine for many years to have just the 2 year.  We couldn't afford for me to go back to school.

lieutenant_dad's picture

You need to seriously look at your industry and see if it's possible that a move would even be helpful, or if it makes more sense to switch career paths for a few years. Other states have opened back up more, sure. However, you don't want to incur the cost of moving and starting over only to find yourself in shaky employment elsewhere because you're the new hire and business doesn't pick up like it once was. Even if you take SD out of the equation, moving for a job in a field that is shaky everywhere is a risky move.

What transferable skills do you have? What certificates can you acquire or programs can you work through over the next year to set you up with another line of work? Are there any work from home options where you might take a pay cut but you won't need to have child care?

I'm not saying don't look at moving, but know that option will be bottom of your DH's list, especially before researching other options to stay in the area. Plus, if you're talking two years of struggling a bit and then the business will start up again, you'll be in a better position if you stay since you'll know the industry, area, players, etc.

surprisestepmother's picture

A two year shutdown of my industry here (very likely) would all but kill it. My company may end up laying off most of its workforce permanently at the end of the year. I agreed to take a severe hypothetical paycut in the hopes that maybe I'll be able to stay on long enough to use connections for another company and get the opportunity that would enable a move.

A state with even less restrictive shutdowns gives me much more of a chance. I'm already work from home, and other options for it in my industry are having a go of it just keeping on existing staff. 

Transferable skills don't matter because for any job that would even end up breaking even on cost of childcare, I would need a 4 year degree, which I don't have and won't be able to afford to get. 

BethAnne's picture

I have been in a similar situation and was not comfortable being the person to advocate for leaving. In my situation though, it was my husband's job that was threatened and he did not feel that moving was abandoning his child. I was the person telling him to slow down and think things through carefully because I did not want to be the person blamed for him doing something he would regret. I think this is something that you cannot force onto your husband as you don't want to be blamed for making a decision that he may regret. 

The basic schedule BM and my husband have followed is that SD is with one parent for the accademic year, and the other parent for two weeks at winter break and most of the summer vacation. It is a long tale, but BM and my husband have switched back custody of sd a couple of times since we moved and so we have experienced both ends of this. 

With a HCBM it has made life a lot easier for the marjority of the year, because need for communication is limited. Neither my husband nor BM are particularly involved parents though when SD is not in their custody. Neither do much more than weekly calls with SD on skype (and BM frequently does not even do that, though now sd is older they do text). My husband doesn't seem to miss his kid too much when she isn't here and from BM's lack of communication I would imagine she is the same way, though I am sure she would protest that it is the worst thing in the world. 

I could see some parents who are more sentimental and want to be more involved in day to day life feeling that long distance is too much of a strain. For others I think that the reality of it would be ok, but the idea of contemplating it would make them feel that this is not somthing that a oving parent does. My husband grew up in a millatry family so he was used to his father being away for long stretches and moving around the country a lot. 

I would look at other options along side the option of uprooting the whole family if your husband hesitates to commit to a move. Look at retraining into a new field, look at just you moving for a set period of time (perhaps until life gets back to normal or until you have completed some training), even look into commuting further than you would normally consider and combining that with remote working. Or as you say embrace being a SAHM (though if you want to get back into the work place in a few years, take care to keep up your skills and network). 

Don't forget that long distance is going to cost more than local schedules. CS is likely to increase plus the cost of transporting the children will be on your husband to pay for. If BM has to use child care because of the custody change she may be able to claim that from your husband too. If you have the children for summer break there will probably also be large costs involved in summer camps or other child care on your end if you and your husband are both working. Depending on BM and your husband there may be more guilt tripping that he has to provide "extra" payments for whatever BM deems necessary. And then there is the cost of the initial move that will need paying upfront (unless you can get a good relocation package from your new employer). The difference in cost of living in your current location compared to your new location should also be factored into your calculations - this can make a huge difference to living standards. We moved from a 4 bedroom house we owned to a 2 bedroom apartment we rented when we moved. The cost of everything from utilities to groceries is higher where we are now. It has probably been benificial financially overall to move but that is because my husband was able to get a significant pay rise to offset the cost of living difference. 

Overall I am glad that we moved as it has put a few thousand miles between us and BM and reduced how much we have to deal with her. My husband was able to stay continuously employed in a well paying career and most of the time he has been happy with his decision. It has been tricky when stuff was going on in BM's life that affected SD and he wasn't able to talk to SD in person to see how she is doing and he felt helpless to assist her.  

You're in a tough spot. I hope that you find a solution that works for you and your family. 

ESMOD's picture

If she wants to try the SAHM route.. that doesn't mean she couldn't do things to still earn money.  Her skills for organizing and project planning could be used to start her own business.. perhaps helping people who can't go out themselves run errands?  Maybe smaller scale events.. smaller money but keep herself earning.  Try new things like potography.. maybe do sessions to earn money.  

Offer childcare to monetize her time at home with her kids.  More parents are in a tough spot with work and distance learning kids.. there are hustles that could make up some of the difference.

Because.. her income really isn't 115 now.. subtract the costs associated with her having childcare and other work related costs.. wardrobe eating out etc... the savings she can get from not spending that money...

ESMOD's picture

The reality is that you are not going to be the only one in this industry that is looking to make ends meet.. looking for a job.  Even in other states that may have less stringent restrictions.. the bottom line is that customers may still have their own personal ideas on restricting size and scope.  Your industry may well not recover on a national scale for quite some time.  The job that you may imagine is in another state could very likely not pay you near what you are making now.. so you are looking at both of you relocating.. cost of moving.. him hoping to find a job while you may still end up working for much less than you were before.

You say that you would need a 4 year degree for most "better" jobs, but honestly, that is really not the case.  My YSD is only 22 and makes almost 50K a year and she is just "working on her 2 year CC degree".  Also, your organizational and project management skills could very well translate to many other jobs.  

There is also the thought that your DH could try to work a 2nd job.. or you could work a job outside your husband's hours PT to bridge some of the gap...if you were not paying child care..plus earning some money outside the home.. it might not be as big of a drop.

I would also not discount working towards a degree.. or some certification that could lead to better employment in the future.  

This might be a time where you do rip off the bandaid so to speak and work on improving your ability to get a better paying job while still spending more time at home with your kids.  It might mean a tighter belt in the short term but the prospect of moving to an area where you don't know people.. might still not be able to replace your current earning and spend precious savings to make the move.. AND he loses time with his child is going to be a hard sell, I'm afraid.

 

surprisestepmother's picture

That's probably the most realistic thing. I would need to find something WFH then eventually, but my fear is that everything that isn't an MLM needs a college degree that is just not possible for me to get right now and then I'll lose my ability to go back to my current field because there'll be too much of an employment gap. 

There aren't good choices here.

ESMOD's picture

1.  You don't have to have a gap in event planning.  You can still do that in your state..even if it is on a smaller scale.  

2.  You would be surprised to find that there are a lot of good paying jobs that are not going to require a 4 year degree.  Experience does substitute to an extent... and you have lots of skills that would translate well.  Customer service... Project Management... budgeting... vendor relations... sales... aesthetic eye...ability to think on your feet... resourceful... creative.  Talk to a real recruiter.. shoot.. go to a temp agency... that specializes in office work.. see what they might match you with.  You could be pleasantly surprised.  And if you may have some access to "on demand" childcare... you could work temp to bolster your income too.

3.  explore remote work jobs in a similar or your field.. I saw a remote wedding planner opportunity for a company called Wedfuly.  Try google... you of course want to research.. but if you are staying at home anyway potentially.. as long as you don't PAY for the opportunity.. it might be something worthwhile.

bearcub25's picture

That is a good idea.  Like HomeAdvisor for home repairs only for small caterering events etc.

Have you thought of starting your own catering type of business?   Maybe you would have to improvise and buy the food, but you could do it for events where they are small or in their home but still want a special event.

beebeel's picture

Other states are going to shut down again this winter. Moving to a state that ignores the pandemic to be a wedding planner during a pandemic doesn't seem like a good idea.

BethAnne's picture

Personally if you aren't considering moving until the spring then I would look at moving just yourself temporarily for 12 to 24 months to keep up your work history. It will be tough on your relationship, but hopefully by spring 2022/2023 life may be starting to look somewhat like normal and you can move back. Humans are social creatures and we will want to congregate and gather and we will find ways to do that. 

If you feel comfortable asking your husband to move away from his kids, then I think it is only fair that you seriously consider moving yourself away from the family too. If you share an appartment with someone you should hopefully be able to keep the costs of the second home fairly low.  If things work out well in your new location you and your husband could decide that you will all move there at some point in the future. Or your industry may pick up and you might be able to move back to your current location. 

surprisestepmother's picture

That's not a good option because I would have to hire a nanny who would literally be the primary parent with little/no ability to contact me or my husband. My husband organized his work schedule to be off when SD is here. He spends 4 days in a row working and sleeping at work, and then on day 5 is "on call" where he still can't commit to any level of parenting because he would have to drop it in a second if work called. 

And obviously if I was out of state, I could answer a phone but it would be functionally worthless. 

BethAnne's picture

I am not sure how this is that much different from you and your husband moving away and BM being the primary parent for your step kids and your husband being "functaionaly worthless" at the end of a phone.

The cost of a nanny Vs the increase in income is something that would need to be factored in but if you can break even and keep up your work history it might be worth while.

surprisestepmother's picture

The difference is that my (by then) two kids would functionally have zero parents, just the hired nanny. At by then newborn and barely 2 years old. 

If we all moved together, or I took my bio(s), then my kids would still have a bio parent involved and would only be in daycare during my work hours, not 24/7. 

SD in both plans would always be cared for by a bio parent, its my kids who are in danger. 

BethAnne's picture

When you consider your husband's reticence to move consider how my suggestion here made you feel. It might help you to empathise with his position more easily. 

surprisestepmother's picture

SD still has another bio parent. My kids functionally only have me. Its really not the same.

BethAnne's picture

I understand that you moving on your own might not be the best solution for your family with your husband's job.

That is a harsh way to look at your husband's parenting input though. I see why you struggle to understand his reluctance to move if you value his parenting time as close to zero if 5/9 days availability (except when there is a call out) is seen as insufficient to be considered a primary caregiver. 

tog redux's picture

Even your own state might be opening more by then, if there has been a vaccine and the rates are low.

Is your state not allowing any weddings? I'm in NY, which is only allowing weddings of up to 50 people, but they are still weddings that need planning. 

SeeYouNever's picture

I think event planning is going to come back with a vengeance, however it's going to probably be another year before it's in full force. I also live in an area that lockdown tightly and early and it's still not back to normal. We're probably both in the Northeast! Anyway I know quite a few people who got engaged just prior to the pandemic and most of them have chosen to delay their weddings by a year. There is a lot of pent-up demand for wedding planning. I also tend to go to at least one or two conferences a year and those have been stationed to be entirely virtual and that has been a big success. I think wedding planning is going to recover but conferences in corporate event planning is not going to be the same. I think the most we're going to get in the future are holiday parties. 

I'm sure your skills would transfer to other industries beyond just retail. Don't sell yourself short event planning is basically project management which is a desirable skill. If you don't have any certifications you could probably pretty easily get some. 

There are jobs out there right now just not the same ones as before I would look and see what you can find for now and cast a wider net geographically. I don't think it is a good idea to move without a job in mind just hoping that the industry is going to recover in that place. However if you find some sort of position they may even offer to move you and you will have a stronger case to make to your husband about moving. 

tog redux's picture

I agree. There are lots of things you can do with a 2-year degree other than retail, that will pay more.  Healthcare comes to mind - all of our support staff don't have college degrees.  

SeeYouNever's picture

I wouldn't want to be in public facing retail right now anyway! My mom does not have an a degree but she has lots of retail experience and for a while she worked as a manager at a warehouse for a large retail chain and she made really good money.

advice.only2's picture

Sometimes you have to move where the jobs are. Is your DH unwilling to move at all? Or is he only unwilling to move for your career? Say he was offered a large promotion and moving expenses would he then be willing to up and leave? If you are in CA where I am I understand your want to leave, our governor is going to do his best to bankrupt this state before he lets us open back up.

Harry's picture

First if his DD is at your home. He stays home to parent her.  If he does not off go to work when SD is at your  home,  That gives you no happy family time with you, DH and DS.  When DS gets older, Don't you want to go to the zoo, Santa workshop , Breakfast with theEaster bunney . with just your family not with SD.

Your DH made memories with SD and ex,.  You should get the same memories with DH and DS.  You know SD will screw everything up, because she is not first that day. and she is all ready doing thing to cause you to dislike her.  Nothing wrong with disliking a sneaky SD.   Does not make you a bad person. Even if DH is telling you, you are.

You need a set of rules in your home

DH is always home with SD. If he can not be there he must get childcare, or return her to her BM

One weekend a month is SD free, Time when you and your Happy Family to do something as a family. 
Two night a month you get childcare for DS and you have date night.  Even if it's means Mickey D , or TGIFridays                              You plan some type of vacation in the summer. With out SD Leggo land,  Something with animals. Something DS will enjoy 

When your DH divorce his ex, any ideas of a happy family with SD went with the divorce. If he want a happy family he should of stayed with the ex.  But the ex did not like him being such a bad parent, and partner