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I've come here because I need advice on how to handle the situation. Little background. I have a SD16 almost 17 living in our home now for little over a year. She was originally living with her mother in another state. I have been in this child's life since she was 4. Married to her dad for almost 10 years. So I am not a new addition in her life. She wanted to move in with us because she wasn't getting along with her mother and step father. We explained before moving in that our home wouldn't be her escape from her problems, and we will support her to the best of our abilities, and we will welcome her with open arms. We also explained that we will have rules and chores at our home (she has neither at her mother's). She agreed. Before moving in she wanted to bring her dog with her, her mother refused to send the dog as a punishment for moving in with us. Said, on many occasions, "oh you can have the dog, to you can't have the dog she's mine now." I am paraphrasing. But this is how it was expressed to a 16 year old girl. Well my husband and I had already planned on getting a puppy of our own and for our 6 year old daughter, and decided well we will get her one too for her birthday/christmas. It was rough with everyone's schedule, adjusting to having not 1 but 2 puppies in the house, the struggle with chores and so on. We made it work. Everything was going great for about 8 months. 

About 4 months ago, I started noticing changes in my SD's behavior towards me. She started to ignore things I said, increasingly shutting me out and hiding in her room, talking back, arguing, refusing to do her chores set for her. Dictating when she would get things done. I asked many times what's up? Is there anything we need to talk about? Have I upset you? If so do you want to talk about it? Mind you everytime I would bring this up to my SO, it was always a defense or excuse. Well maybe she forgot, maybe she didn't see, maybe she didn't know. I understand she's 16, I understand she's working on growing up to become an adult. But the cold shoulder is what I don't get. So I just continued on with life and accepted it. Now to the most recent incident leading up to a blow up. My SD has been constantly complaining about my dog not listening to her for a month or so prior to this incident. I caught her excessively slapping my dog because she pooped on the floor. The dog is 7 months old, still a baby. I've never witnessed her behave this way with her dog. We called her out on her excessive use of force and told her that she cannot hit my dog no matter how upset she is. Well soon after her demeanor towards me got even more cold. Whatever. So, 3 weeks ago. She sent me and my husband a text, (we have a chat we all are in so we can communicate together) stating that my dog pooped on the floor. I told her to clean it up. She said I did. I said ok good, I don't know what to tell you, she's still a puppy, she's going to have accidents. You need to be more mindful of her potty cues and take her out often like you do your dog. She stated, I did and the dog just stared at me and did nothing. I told her that if she's pacing around the front door it means she has to go. Means you were too busy looking at your phone and not paying attention. Well she lost her mind and laid into me. Saying I'm blaming her for the dog pooping on the floor, and that the dog has held her poop and pee for 16 hours before and she can wait till she feels like taking her out. Needless to say I also lost my cool (bad thing. I should of stopped the conversation and been the adult about it, I know that now), I told her that the dog relies on her to take her out, and she needs to be paying more attention and I told her that was very rude and disrespectful in her behavior. She continued to attack, said some very hurtful things, very personal attacks on me. I am in the wrong for allowing it to continue and not saying enough of this, there will be consequences to your behavior.

But, my SO has never made me feel I could. Everything with her gets brushed off. He hates drama and avoids it at all costs, his words. Fast forward 3 weeks, to this day she has maybe said 2 sentences to me. Ignored me majority of the time. Hasn't done her chores. It makes me feel uncomfortable in the home. She was supposed to use my car and me to get her license tomorrow. But I took that away from her with my SO's blessing thankfully. She's made no effort to apologize or try to talk to me about it. He told her earlier this week that she has to apologize to me and fix this. She told him after he asked what her work schedule was this week, that on Friday she has to work and that her driver's test is Friday also. And that she's working on some sort of apology. Her plan was to apologize just enough to get me to take her to get her license. There was no genuity in the idea. So I asked my SO to talk to her yesterday to tell her. She's not getting her license in my car. For the fact she hasn't tried to fix anything, and that she has never asked to use or drive my car in the first place. Dad's truck isn't up to DMV regulations, my car is the only available for it. Well she got pissed and continued to ignore me and avoid. 

My SO and I got into another fight last night over this, he keeps wanting me to either ignore and not care. Or keep trying and make her be part of the family. He wants me to do it, not him. I'm the one having a disagreement with her not him. So whatever, I'm ready to squash this tomorrow. Her and I both have the day off, it will just be us in the home. My 6 yr old will be in our local Youth Club (no school friday). I just need advice on what to say and how to handle it. I want this to end.

Lastly, BM is HC. Hates myself and SO. Changes started right after SD came back from her house during spring break.

So sorry for the long post. Please be kind and helpful.

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CLove's picture

SD16 is not your main issue, its her parents and their lack of parenting.

She does sound like a total jerk though.

Im not a bio parent, but what I would suggest is that you get yourself out of an angry place, and more into a calm and distant place. Try to take the emotion out of it.

In my opinion however its not up to you to "fix things". I feel it rests on your SO, her father. I feel that disengagement is your sanity-saver.  Your SO cannot inflict parenting on you if he is not ready to back you up 100%. Simply stated, you cannot be held responsible for a "child" that you cannot impose limits on. You cannot take on the responsibility of parenting her if you do not have authority over her. He cannot have it both ways...

Disengagement looks different for different situations. SO doesnt want to parent, and avoids parenting, because parenting equals conflict. Ok, so you are not her parent. You do not involve yourself in monitoring her activites or chores. Shes got a driving test but no vehicle? Thats on SO to figure out. She hasnt completed XYZ chores? Ok, SO can do them or have her do them. 

His lack of parenting has created this situation. BM's lack of parenting and toxic parenting has created this situation. Its not on you to fix things.

I doubt that talking to SD16 bratola animal abuser will do anything constructive. You are already considered the enemy.

LostandDefeated's picture

I really appreciate this. I've been trying to work on disengaging from all of it. I did try to get my SO's blessing and he thinks it means I completely quit her. I told him no, it means I don't allow myself to get involved in these things, which provide me more peace, and keeps me from stressing and bringing these things up to you anymore. He argued and didn't agree, that I just wanted to stop being there for her. I think in reality he doesn't want to parent. I have tried telling him, without him giving me the authority, I can't get respect.

CLove's picture

If he "disagrees" with the truth of things, thats called gaslighting. He is gaslighting you. 

Stop talking and stop trying, its not getting you the desired results. I had to stop talking and stop trying, and it brought me so much more peace. Of course SO doesnt want you to stop parenting...he totally gets that it will put him back in his parenting position. Its work. Its conflict. LOL. He wants the fun, the loyalty, without the messy stuff. Sorry SO! You are the one giving up on your kid to avoid conflict.

Focus on you and your bio. Stop doing for SD. Get nanny cams for your home so you can better monitor and control her abuse of your puppy.

Cover1W's picture

DITTO to all of this - !  I would never ever allow one of my pets to be mis-treated. My Hellfire would rain down quickly.

advice.only2's picture

His blessing?!?  If that’s the case you have bigger problems then just HIS child, you have an SO problem.  

LostandDefeated's picture

I'm starting to see that now. Last night was a great example of it. The deflection, defending, excuses, not wanting to engage her and her problems. Trying to make me do it. F his blessing, I should be able to do what I want in my home. I'm also the adult. They don't like it, oh well, not my problem.

Winterglow's picture

Make him more scared of upsetting you than he is of upsetting her. Put the responsibility for her right back where it belongs, on his plate. 

Survivingstephell's picture

You are the alpha female in The home.  Don't forget that.  Since DH is a coward, you simply tell him he had a choice.  Parent SD or you will.  You need to nip this in the bud now before your younger one thinks they can act like this.  
 

Teen girls are the worst and I'm on my 6 th right now.  LOL.  I'd remind her of the agreement she made when she moved in and it she won't follow your rules she can go back to her mother to stay for good.  She blows this        opportunity now and she will forever shut the door on living there.   At 16 you outline your requirements and put the choice on her to follow your rules or move back.   Stop playing nice with her.  She doesn't deserve it.  IMO. 
 

LostandDefeated's picture

I've been thinking, since my husband wants us to have a talk. That I will bring up the original agreement. That if she so chooses to live here, she has to follow the rules, do the chores she was given and chosen, be civil and respectful of the adults that she is more than welcome to live here. Nothing she does or say will change this.

Cover1W's picture

You also be prepared that he tries to walk the "agreement" back.  

My DH was like this too, but I very quickly learned he wants the good outcome but wants to do none of the work. And then he'd get on my case for being "too difficult" about having expectations for both the SDs and for him. 

So I stopped. To this day he's frustrated that I don't talk much at dinner when YSD is with us (because I was constantly shut down), I don't want to do things with YSD and DH (because I have no say in it and I dislike her wierd behavior) and I get annoyed with basic household things (because no one uses the calendar or does any of the little things that make a household run smoother - like you use the rest of the TP? Then write it on the grocery list...nope....too hard).  

LostandDefeated's picture

I feel this all too well. We have a chore list everyone is supposed to utilize. It was made to eliminate the, "I forgot". My 6 year old, my DH, and myself are the only ones who use it now. My SD decided that since she thinks she can run my house, she will only use it when she sees fit. All of this is going to change today. I've put my foot down with my DH. I told him fix it or I will have to take some time away from the house. I do not deserve having my life and house dictated by a hormonal, angry, 16 year old. He told me he's going to have a serious sit down with her today after work. So we shall see.

ESMOD's picture

I think in some ways your DH is right.. disengage.. ie ignore/not care.  You could also do some research on "nachoing".. as in she is nacho child.. nacho problem.. lol

part of that mindset is to understand that "correction without connection" breeds resentment.  

I don't mean you ignore when she hits the dog.. absolutely in the moment you can tell her to stop.  But the nagging for chores.. homework.. attitude.. that is all on your DH.  she is his child.

It's entirely possible that she is now getting some push back from mom over the move.. that mom is trying to twist things to get her daughter back.  but in the end.. all you can do is have the interaction/relationship in your own home at face value.

So.. I might take your DH up on that "not caring".. but tell him that doesn't mean you don't have expectations and boudaries in your home and if you are going to not get involved.. HE will need to do it.  He will need to remind on homework.. push her to do chores etc.. 

As far as the vehicle thing.. it depends.. will her having a license be a positive or a negative for you?  if positive (her out of the house more. saving for college etc..) then I might allow my car to be used.. and make your DH do the errand.. not you.  If it's more cost to your household.. more hassle (ie no 2nd car for her to drive)... then I would just ignore and not care.

The good news.. is theoretically.. you only have a couple more years.

I would be pleasant and jsut go with the flow.. her sucess or failure is not your responsibility.. so I vote for letting it go.

LostandDefeated's picture

I agree with this thank you. I know I need to start letting things go. I know I'm not her parent, and I need to be concentrating on my daughter and not her.

I started working on not letting the chore thing bother me. Reason it did this time is because she got mad at me, her way of punishing me, was not doing her chores. My SO hasn't stepped up to say anything either. Like last night for example. She lied to him and said she cleaned her bathroom. I said, she did not go check. His response was, well she decided not to do it cause she was upset we told her she's not using your car right now to get her license.

I'm concerned my daughter will see this and think she doesn't have to listen to mom. That she can throw tantrum after tantrum and still not have to take care of her responsibilities.

I guess as long as it doesn't affect me directly or my child I shouldn't care anymore. I realize all I'm doing is creating un-needed stress for myself.

ESMOD's picture

I think you do need to be careful when you call her out to him.  Don't do it in front of her.. then it's just back to you nagging via him.  

If you know she has lied.. not done a chore she was asked to do?  later.. when you are alone.. you can tell him.. you know she said she did.. but she didn't.. remember, part of me backing off from parenting her is that you will step up and parent her and make sure we don't have two standards for the kids in the home.  I don't belive being "mad" about the car is any excuse.. like not doing a chore will make me more likely to do what she wants?  And.. in the endll it's her bathroom.. she is the one that will have to live with the fiilth.  but if it's a shared Bath.. then if she won't do it.. then.. you can tell him you expect HIM to do it.

I get it. .it's hard.. the worst time I had with my YSD was when I was overseeing her remote schoolwork when her dad was working offshore.. it was such a constant struggle.. the more I nagged.. the more she procrastinated.. and got pissy with me... the less she did the things she was supposed to.  In the end.. it was HER that wouldn't graduate HS if she didn't do it.. at some point I just had to let go or permanently damage our relationship.  she was about the same age as your SD.. they just don't like a lot of bosses at that age lol.

LostandDefeated's picture

I hear what you're saying. I should've added this in my comment, sorry for not adding more information. We never discuss any issues about the kids in front of the kids. So she had no idea we talked about it, and probably still doesn't. She does share the bathroom with her 6 year old sister. I didn't start saying anything to him about the bathroom till it went 3 weeks without being done. I was trying to give her a chance to pull her head out of the sand and do it. I did remind her to do her chores. Maybe that's where I'm still getting it wrong. I'm doing it and he isn't. 

Reason the bathroom became a thing. Is she was starting her chores when he showed up from work. I work later. She approached him with she wanted to talk to me that night. He said ok, but wanted her to be aware that she was not getting her license Friday for several reasons. 1. She hasn't tried to resolve the issues with me. Because she's the one who is mad. 2. She has never driven my car and has never asked me if she could drive it. 3. She still has some driving she needs to do, she doesn't know how to parallel park. So it isn't so much as just a consequence but there are more underlying factors at play.

But as soon as she heard all this. She stopped doing her chores and went and hid out in her room. Then continued to avoid me.

CLove's picture

Its called "over functioning". Because SO doesnt want to parent (is it out of fear? who knows, not your concern) you are stepping up and filling in, over functioning which makes it so much easier on SO. 

I think your concern for bio is a valid one - kids tend to mirror those around them. So you will need to be firmer than normally one would be.

She wants to punish you? For not wanting to help her because shes being a jerk?!? LOL, well like I stated above, try to approach this without emotions. Be very straightforward > action = consequences. Its nothing personal. 

LostandDefeated's picture

I personally don't know. Cause he has told me he don't care if she lives with us or not. My husband is a very logical man. He don't know how to understand or deal with emotion.

I plan to put my foot down and lay down the ground rules. Like you said emotions put to the side. Straight to the point, no argument. Place it in her hands whether she wants to live with us or not. My SO did support this when I spoke to him earlier. I did tell him he needs to step up cause I'm stepping down. If he wants her to succeed than he needs to be the one to help her. I will be his support. So far he agreed. We shall see.

advice.only2's picture

Then deal with him logically, when SD came to live with you, he agreed to terms and conditions of her living there.  Since she has moved in he has gone back on the agreed upon terms and condtions and now those are null and void.  Therefore unless his is willing to begin enforcing the agreed on terms and conditions, you are allowed to walk away from dealing with SD.  No blessing needed!

strugglingSM's picture

The first sign of trouble was when she wanted to move in to your home because she "wasn't getting along" with BM. That to me is a sign, regardless of BM, that this child is allowed to avoid consequences, call the shots, and is pushing her boundaries as a teen. How would she manage her issues with BM if she didn't have another home to move into. 

The second sign is that your DH is passive. My DH is also passive, which is why I will never let SSs move into our home. It just becomes a power struggle, because DH refuses to expect anything of SSs, even the basics. 

My counselor told me that it's important for DH and I to agree on the rules and expectations for our home. That isn't perfect, because honestly, DH will agree, but then not enforce (good old, guilty dad syndrome), but maybe if you were able to get some agreement on house rules (e.g. we don't abuse the dog) then at least you could point back to that agreement when your DH is being passive. 

Overall, though, I think she is going to be disagreeable, either way. So, figure out what your boundary or limit is and then hold firm to it. She may just have to go back to BM's. 

CLove's picture

At least thats what I called it when SDnow23 Feral Forger would get in trouble or cause trouble in one house, and be shuffled off to the other house.

The issues would never be resolved. So when she "aged out" she started living full time with Toxix Troll and they get into extremely physical fights and send husband videos, etc. 

LostandDefeated's picture

Wow that's a shame that happens. I have a hard time understanding how parents can let their kids grow up like this.