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OT - Sociopathic Employers

Lillywy00's picture

So as you may recall my sociopathic manager "fired" me with no explanation no warning .... nothing. 

Just casually strolled to my desk logged in and saw a blank ass calendar. 

When I asked her she played dumb and stopped responding to my text. 

What I think happened was she gave a "verbal" warning about me taking over 8hrs of PTO (I used approximately 12 but I did notify our leave line and her in advance each time) ... I was unaware and don't recall her mentioning in advance that we were capped at 8 hours or less or we'd be on the chopping block for using time 

Sh*t should be illegal to prevent people from using pto especially in non-pto-payout upon termination states (which I happen to be in). And if I'd know this c*nt was going to fire me over this I would have not given her notice and taken ALL my PTO hours. 

Around the same time I applied for FMLA (to be able to legally take time I need off that stressful a$$ job) 

They offered me severance but it's one week of pay and not enough to make me overlook the clause about not suing them for the effed up treatment. 

I really want to sue them (if I have a case) or negotiate this piddly contract into something worthwhile 

I don't know if I ever want to work for employers again because I'm TIRED of getting teamed up with these "untouchable" narcissistic managers who micromanage then fire you if you breathe wrong (but not before peppering  your hr files with b*llshit excuses to cover themselves from lawsuits they deserve),


Lillywy00's picture

I'd also add 

My work schedule at this sh*Tshow changed over 5 times within a 2.5 month period and eventually had me working weekends (hence why it took 12 hrs bc I am a single parent with a deadbeat ncp so I had to tend to my kid on the weekend) 

I notified her two weeks in advance but she ignored my email. 

I think it set her off when I took the time anyways and she saw an opening to nail me to the wall when it was over 8 hrs (which I didn't know about any 8 hr rule) 

How tf am I supposed to know all these ridiculous rules if they don't inform 

And I saw the charts where only ONE person from a team of over 14 people who met that ridiculous rule but I highly doubt she fired all 13 people. 

Lillywy00's picture

I can't help but feel like these nut jobs fired me for using PTO and for applying for FMLA 

because they're so sociopathic that they don't want people who aren't working nonstop for them like subservient indentured sl@ves

strugglingSM's picture

I had something similar happen recently. I was let go for being "not a good fit" after two years. Then my boss told me he would fire me on the spot and not give me any severance if I didn't convince the team that I was leaving on my own. He told me "in the interest of psychological safety" I needed to convince everyone this was my choice and wanted me to send out a message (that he wrote) about how much I loved the place and would be "cheering for their success" after I left. 

It was only in recent months that I became aware that I am the third person who has been hired in my role and then let go for "not being the right fit" since summer of 2020. 

It was a terrible position that was impacting my mental health, so other than missing the paycheck, it's not all bad. 

The kicker for my boss is that the person who reported to me quit a month or so after I supposedly left by choice. She'd only been there for a little over a year, but left because she didn't see "any growth potential", which I shared with him. I had also argued that she get a big raise, which she did get. So, now he looks like almost the entire team decided to leave at once, me with no place to go. But, he's one of the least emotionally intelligent people I've ever met, so serves him right. He's one of the company founders, so I imagine he will "retire" soon and just continue to collect equity. 

The thing about US employment law is that it gives employers so many loopholes that they can basically get rid of you for no reason and be protected. 

Lillywy00's picture

The thing about US employment law is that it gives employers so many loopholes that they can basically get rid of you for no reason and be protected. 

That really grinds my gears 

And sucks that you dealt with a similar situation 

Harry's picture

A lot of companies fire people in the wrong way. Not enough notice, No  written warnings, No  meeting to help the employee. ,  No, written  plans ,, to  help the person to do a better job.  

Are they allowing other people to do what they are saying it's not in the company laws, was there a employeee information packet out linking company rules. Or they making rules to fit there case.  You should of been given a employee handbook out line time off, how to get time off.   Who has to approve it, how far in advance it's needed .  

Sueing them, unless it's a big company [ US post office, IRS, state jobs], will get you money but not your job back.  Better to be in a job where it's fun to work at then ones that you hate to go to. 
'Makes for a better life and less medical problems. Best of luck 

Rags's picture

If they violated law or created a hostile work environment, the agreement to no sue them isn't worth the paper it is printed on or the electrons to create the digital form. As the case may be.

I would consult an attorney.  Find the best attorney in your area or any area who is licensed in your State and who will take it on contingency.   

I was advised that until a experienced financial loss that the possible recovery would be notably limited.  I was out of work for 8mos whicn cost me nearly 6figures and I can likely make a case of impact to my professional reputation.  I am talking with an attorney now about filing associated complaints.  My former employer is a settle it quick company and has more than a dozen employment related law suits by former employees over the past 3yrs. All settled.

So, I may roll the dice on a suit and see about recovering all of part of my lost income and see if a pitbull attorney can drive some punative damages as well.  Even if the attorney gets more out of of it than I do, I am feeling that some 
"me too" money might be in order and .... sending a message.

Not sure yet if I will roll those dice as a suit will be public record and may show up on a future background check.  If I were a few years closer to retirement I would likely already have filed.

I hope you can motivate a just outcome for yourself with a notable number of 0s in a settlement.


ESMOD's picture

You should talk to a lawyer but you may need to accept that sometimes there just isn't much that we can really do.

I personally think that the only real issue you have to go after them for is the possibility that they fired you in retaliation for your attempting to file for FMLA.

I think the PTO issue is probably double edged.. you do know you took time off without permission.. most companies can and do terminate for that alone.. and if they can show any other support.. they will likely prevail on that alone.. if you are going for wrongful termination for taking PTO.

BUT.. they did not appear to respond in the appropriate time to your FMLA request.  They owed you a YES or a NO.. if they said NO.. and you felt that the reason they declined was not legal.. that also gives you some weight to them not honoring that.  But.. is your company required to offer FMLA (not all are).?  

Unless required by law or in their company procedures/contract with you... they didn't have to give you notice.  they don't have to pay PTO.. they don't have to have a "good" reason to let you go.. as long as they don't terminate for a protected class reason.. or as retaliation for filing FMLA.  I mean.. yeah.. most decent employers will pay out earned PTO.. they will give workers notice in a layoff..but they don't necessarily have to and some won't.. you apparently worked for a crappy company.  And.. it appears you were NOT the only one that was let go... you said others were basically let go as well.. it was just in your case not communicated well...

So, by all means go speak to a lawyer to set your mind at rest over whether it is even worth your while to pursue anything against them. 

In the end, it's often difficult to prove things.  I have a feeling that they let you go because you were not working out for them.  Your boss didn't like you for some reason.. and you, yourself, even basically told them that the job was too much for you when you tried to apply for FMLA due to job stress.  They already had to make cuts.. and you made it easy enough for them by taking time off without permission.. even though it's possible they set up that scenario in order to give themselves a concrete reason.  In hindsight.. I would have gone above my manager's head to deal with the FMLA and time off issues before I took the time off.. but the reality was that in that situation.. this was not the right place for you and you would have been well off to already be looking.. since your manager was clearly viewing you as a problem for some reason.

But.. perhaps with the FMLA issue.. a lawyer might be able to prompt them into some kind of settlement.. because it does appear they did not follow the rules when it came to that process.. and possibly retaliated towards you.  I hope you have concrete proof of your offical request.. that should make it fairly easy for a lawyer to prompt them to offer some settlement.




Rags's picture

I'm an inform the employer I am taking PTO rather than ask for premission guy myself.

Send the e/m, save it, and get on with life.  Notification includes.... "Please let me know if this is not acceptable."  No response is tacit approval.  I send everything read notification and delivery confirmation.   I save those as well.

One thing about the social media world and the First Ammendment is that expressing opinion that is brutal to the reputation of a company and spreading that effort far and wide is ... protected speech.  

I never have had to do that as my prior company was shit and an overwhelming number of people have made it their hobby to shred them on social media far and wide.  Which I am hopefull will be supportive of my efforts to nail them with a hostil work environment claim.  They are also a "don't fight it, settle it" company.

ESMOD's picture

That mode works in many professional settings.  That's my way of doing it too.. I inform my boss "when I am taking off".. but it sounds like her workplace required specific management approval and that there was some kind of process to be followed.  I would not have accepted no response for my request.. I would have had to escalate it.. but knowing that if you are having to escalate things like that.. you are in a toxic environment workplace.. and you better have a resume polished up.. haha.