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She just won’t get it.... seriously?

Kiwigal's picture

Three months ago H and I visited 2 x SD (32 and 34) who live in another city for a weekend.  We then took them, SD1 has a H and son, SD2 is divorced and has no children, to a beautiful holiday home in a gorgeous part of NZ for three nights.  My two biological sons flew into the town and joined us as well.  We paid for everything, which we are both happy to do.  However, can someone tell me why youngest SD makes sure she thanks her father and not me, when I am not present?  I have mentioned this to H more than once but he says nothing, and obviously has said nothing to SD as the behaviour has not changed.  

Q1:  should I say something to her?  I really want to!

I wanted to spend time with my SGS but SD2 is dominating and takes over.  SGS knows her very well as they spend a lot of time together, however we live a long way away and see them very rarely.  I was looking forward to bonding with him.  SD1 came to me and said she knows her sister takes over and reminded me that they are coming to visit us in November and we will all have time on our own and I will get one on one time with SGS then.

Now, SD2 has rung H last week and told him she is coming to stay at the same time. I told him that I would not be happy if she stays  with us and has a few friends that she can stay with.  This was our time with SGS, SD1 and H.  She can see them whenever she wants to and sees them most weekends.  She is also visiting us a month later for Xmas.  H says he will ring and talk to her but ‘she won’t get it’.  I’m like ‘won’t get what?’.  H says she won’t understand why she cant come and stay and why we want to have to time with SGS without her present.  I suggested that I tell her.  I was with H when he as Skyping with SD1 today and he was telling her he was going to talk to SD2 this week.  He was saying things like ‘you know its not going to go well’ and ‘I’ll keep you updated with what happens’.  Is he afraid of her reaction?  What is that about?

SGS will always gravitate to SD2 as he knows her so well, and she encourages him to do so.  She takes over and I feel annoyed and powerless.

Q2:  Am I being unreasonable?

If I don’t have this in perspective, please tell me.  Thanks!

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beebeel's picture

Well she thanked her dad and HE didn't correct her and have her thank you as well because he's happy to take all the credit.

He's also fine with stringing you along about this visit. He won't tell his daughter it's a bad time or why.

Your husband is missing a spine.

susanm's picture

My suggestion?  "Look, DH.  Do you want me to be a grandmother figure to this child or not?  If you don't that is fine.  There are plenty of needy kids and I can get involved with a volunteer organization to be a substitute GM to one of them.  But if you want me to be involved with this child then I need to actually spend time with him and get to know him.  That means not having your younger daughter around and standing between us. Only you can achieved this.  Let me know what you want and how you plan to move forward.  Until you make some changes I am going to assume that you are OK with your younger daugher preventing me from having a relationship with your grandson."  And then perhaps go ahead and check out the volunteer charities.  It sounds like you have a lot of love to give and there are lots of kids right in your town who would love an honorary granny.  It would take nothing away from your stepgrandson but could add a lot to both your life and that of a local child.

twoviewpoints's picture

May I ask how old this step-grandson is? 

I can see why the child (regardless of age) would go towards his aunt over a woman he barely knows. Of course, the Aunt who he sees all the time and most weekends. The Aunt and child have a special bond. One that likely has been there since birth and has every little, if anything, to do with you or trying to deny you a role. 

Yes, spending some one on one with the child would help the child get to know you better and perhaps warm up to you and your loving personality. However, Aunt will likely always be the child's preferred go to lady. 

It would be great if there were not long distance between the families because it would give both GPa and you more time with the child. Again, no idea how old this child is, but is there possibilities of having the child occasionally come spend a bit of just one on two time with GPa and you? Minus any other adults. As a grandparent myself, I have access to my grandkids whenever I ask for it. I have gone and picked Gkid up , had him for a weekend or week and then returned child. 

But about that inviting one's self to Dad's? What's up with that. When the invitation to the one daughter's family (SD, her Dh and their child), what gives the other SD the impression she too is free to tag along? As a parent with adult children your DH should be able to spend some time with each of his daughters without necessarily including the other. Sure, holidays are entire family gatherings, but casual invites for a visit do not have to be. The daughter with the husband and child should be able to come visit your home without the other daughter an the other way around. 

While it makes sense for both daughters to be around and participate together when H and you travel to their area (as they both live right there and would be rude to come to visit oe daughter without also seeing the other during the trip) but when it comes to traveling to your home the long distance to visit, there is no reason both daughters must come both at once. 

Now that one was coming and now the other has called and said 'so am I;, and nothing was said at  that moment to tell the uninvited one 'uh, no, not this time, but we'll be seeing in the following month", it is awkward now. The misunderstanding (yeah , it wasn't one) of who was invited is hard to undo without making you appear the reason and the b*tch. How does your DH pick up the phone and say now ' am sorry, other daughter of mine, but my wife doesn't want you to come on this visit because she wants to bond with the child without any interruption and interference from you'. 

The time to have clearly told the daughter she wasn't invited but of course she was welcome to visit on her own sometime was when she self invited herself. 

So yeah, chicken sh*t Dh isn't probably going to fix this an correct the error. Both daughters likely are coming. And it will be his fault for not standing up when the second daughter's call came in. 

But what about doing some rearranging of the visits plans? Give the adult children and the one daughter's DH a chance to go out on the town an do some young adult friendly activities while you and GPa took Jr to the zoo? Or take Jr to some kid friendly activities . I would suggest GPa offer to keep Jr over night while the adults go back to the hotel for the night, but I get the impression they all stay in your home during visits? Since they all expect Dad to foot the bills for their stay and entertainment, I suppose DH could purchase them some 'surprise' tickets to some local event (concert, play, local adult festivity event) and babysitting Jr is on GPa and you. 

In other words, if you can't ditch the uninvited daughter, be clever and finds ways to get rid of all the adults for stretches of time during the visit. 

Exjuliemccoy's picture

I think it's likely that this is an avoidance behavior your cowardly H exhibits whenever faced with having to parent his domineering YSD. As Murphy points out, she seems to be the dominant figure in the family, so your H squirms when pressure is applied concerning her. I also can't help but wonder if OSD hasn't already shared the situation with her sister. Kids know their parents weaknesses quite well, and there may be more loyalty between sisters that between daughter and father.

It's generally believed that remarried parents should each handle their own kids, but many people find themselves on this site because they are married to weak/spineless parents who for whatever reason don't want to step up and parent. Sometimes it's more damaging to place unrealistic expectations on a partner than just handling things yourself, but it's tricky to know whether to speak up.

Yours is a delicate situation, make no mistake: wait for your H to handle things and allow frustration and resentment to grow each time he fails to; be direct with your SDs and run the risk that they will resent your interference; or just not pursue a deeper relationship with  SDs and their children at all. Should you decide to speak directly to YSD (firmly, yet delicately with great diplomacy, of course), expect pushback, fireworks, and running to daaddee and her sister in an attempt to triangulate against you. Will your H stand with you when this happens, or cave as he usually does? Will the sisters bond over a common foe, the wicked  interloper SM who's controlling their usually pliable daaddee? You get the picture.

Someone on this site recently compared interacting with SDs  to swimming with sharks, an apt analogy. Your seemingly simple request for bonding time with your H's grandchild could cause WWIII, so proceed with extreme caution and take care of you.

Areyou's picture

Be direct with SD. Tell her that, while you enjoy spending time with Her, you would like to spend one on one time with SGS and his mom this time and you’ll have her come visit at another time and give her that date for that later visit.

SonOfABrisketMaker's picture

"DH, are you saying SD2 is a complete moron with no reasoning or social skills? If that's what you're saying, ok. If not, tell her this is an SD! and SGS visit to focus on SGS and we will see her the next month."

Also ask him if he has lost his balls in a terrible accident he never told you about.

Kiwigal's picture

DH has told me ‘he will handle it’.  I’ve told him, if she is here I won’t be.  In fact, I am already thinking of taking SGS with DH out.  There is no opportunity to babysit as SD1 and Hubbie have very little money and we already paid for their flights to get here so we could spend time with them.

Yes!  I can’t believe how she can dominate the family and EXPECT everyone to fall in line.  Wow!  I’m just blown away at how everyone else just says ‘oh that’s ***’.  What?  Are you kidding me?  

Don’t you worry, the shop will be closed up for DH should this domineering behaviour continue in my house.  Which she still sees as her father’s house and therefore ‘her house’.

yes, DH should have said something when she first called.  Even if it was ‘can I call you back’, and quickly discuss with me.  Yep, he’s under her control.  I am looking forward to seeing how he handles this...

OSD knew I would be upset and tends to not say anything to her sister.  In fact, it would be most unlikely, as YSD would be on the phone again...

OSD makes up for all the bad behaviour from YSD she is so lovely.

Thanks for your views, help and support

xxx

Kiwigal's picture

DH has not spoken to SD2 yet.

However, he has received a text from her stating she has booked her flights (no backing out now!).  She has taken a screen shot of her flight departure and arrival and the flight arrives at 7.50am.  She is on the FIRST flight of the day.  We are not even up at that time!  We are about 45mins from the airport as well....

The next text she writes is ‘let me know if you can’t pick me up’.  No sorry for the early start, I hope its not too much to ask, not even a PLEASE.  OMG I hope he doesn’t go and get her.  That is just ridiculous!  I just find it unbelievable.  I have checked the flights and she could have arrived late morning.  There are three direct flights that day.  What a super B!TCH!  

This is going to be very interesting, I am hoping and praying he doesn’t buckle.....

Areyou's picture

Oh my god. I’m so sorry. I hope you act detached and neutral with her. Don’t let her run your house while she’s there and go out with SGS and DH as often as possible. Good luck and keep us posted! I hope she’s flying on Spirit and her flight gets cancelled.

twoviewpoints's picture

There is no 'rule' in the Daddy Handbook that says SD can't sit and have breakfast at the airport and simply wait until someone gets around to picking her up. 

My sister hates hauling it into Chicago O'Hare , she has her daughter take a bus over to Rockford and then picks her DD up there (which is two hours closer for my sister to begin with an much less traffic). And yes, there have been times where niece has had to sit a while until her mother manages to get there. 

There are worse things in life than having to sit and wait. 

Yes 3

oneoffour's picture

OK probably not because these sisters are not in their 50s like my sister and me... But there is something about the 2nd sister that makes them permenently jealous of their 2nd birth order. My sister is the same. When she blows into Akld from 'down south' she takes over my parents. I am in the USA and the rest of my family live in NZ. Next week me and my husband and my 2nd sister and her husband are going on holiday/ vacation in 2 different places. My 3rd sister leaves a few days later for Hawaii which leaves #2 who is going to be visiting our parents for a few days and I KNOW she will complain about my parents bathroom not being clean enough, mum and dad should move to their neck of the woods and how my parents (dad cannot travel!) should fly down their way for a week over Christmas.

Basically you are dealing with a bullty. So take this bull and email directly to her "SD2, as great as it is to visit with you we have made special plans for SD1 and her family. So if you are in town it will be great to see you for a meal. But I am sure you will want to catch up with your friends who are in town without hanging out with us again. As for your flight arrival, it is a wee bit early for us. So when you arrive and settle in let us know where you are staying and we can catch up with a good homecooked dinner. If it seems like we aren't spending enough time with you we can always make up when you come for your next visit. I am sure you can appreciate this is a special time for SD1 and her family. We love spending time with each of you and your own families. It is easier for your Dad to individually relate to his grandchildren. So let us know where you are staying and when you are free for my roast lamb dinner with all the trimmings."

Read it to DH and CC him as well in the email so she knows her Dad is onboard with this.

She feels you will talk about her without her being there.She is jealous of her 2nd daughter status. She has taken over her mothers place in the family (is she still around?).

Also she has a good relationship with her nephew but is a wee bit possessive with him.

Your husband is probably like my Dad. His one wish for his birthday was "Just no fights." It didn't happen often due to my sister.DH wants to keep the peace and instead of this being autonomous SD2 took over everything and has appointed herself the family cruise director. Preace is on her terms which holds everyone else hostage.

As for her slight in ignoring you, let it go. But tell DH tells her "Oh don't thank me. SM makes sure all this happens. Without her I would be lost!"

 

Exjuliemccoy's picture

Oneofffour is spot on with this. Love the email, and second reviewing it with and cc'ing your DH to show SD2 that you and he are on the same page.

Regarding you being blown away by her poor behavior and not understanding why your DH and SD1 tolerate it, consider this: that is their norm. It's developed over decades, and they don't see anything wrong with it. So when you take umbrage with her, you're an outsider finding fault with a preexisting dynamic that works (somewhat) for everyone - except you. Never forget this as you move forward. You're about to make waves, and that will make everyone uncomfortable.

 

Kiwigal's picture

Oneoffour yes, in an ideal world that email would be perfect.  BUT, DH has told me he will handle it, ie don’t do anything.  So I will leave it.  

Yes, DH and SD1 know that her behaviour is appaulling and SD1 has apologised to me in the past for her sister’s rudeness.  They tolerate and accommodate therefore enabling the behaviour to continue and she gets away with it.  Well, no longer, I have thought about detaching myself but I cannot get out of these family engagements and I don’t want to miss out of my gorgeous SGS and why should I, just to get away from her. 

I have plans to take him out in the morning, regardless of whether she is here or not, and maybe SD1 and I can take him out in the afternoon and leave the boys to go to the pub or something.  If SD2 happens to be here she can go to the pub.

We had thought of taking SGS to a fabulous Aquarium on Saturday but I have suggested we do this on Monday when it will be quieter (and SD2 is gone!).  Everyone leaves on Tues morning.

I am just getting started.  I won’t hold my tongue any longer and I have let DH know.  So he can either step up with me or cringe when it happens, his choice.  He agrees that she takes over, so he’s not under any false illusions.

Yes, their mother is still alive but lives with her DH in another part of the country.

I also had a SM when I was 34.  She was an absolute angel and I wouldn’t have replaced her or wanted to be without her for all the tea in China.  I miss her dearly as she has passed away.

I appreciate all your support especially since my mother and my only sister have passed away also, I don’t have any female family members to vent to

xx

Winterglow's picture

This is just a thought but ... before you write off the email, run it past your dh. The chances are that he hasn't a clue how to go about handling the situation and he might just be grateful for the idea. He could adapt the email for himself or maybe he'd realize it might not be a bad idea for you to send it. 

Just show it to him and see what he says.

Kiwigal's picture

He has made the call and she is looking for a friend to pick her up and a place to stay.

DH told me she was laughing when he told her that Saturday was Grandparents day but when he told her she needed to get someone to else to collect her from the airport and we would see her on Sunday there was silence.

Finally, she may realise she can’t take everyone for granted and think she is entitled to whatever.

I hope she comes back with alternative arrangements....

Cheers

Kiwigal's picture

DH made the phone call to SD2 today and ran past me first what he was going to say last night.  DH told her that Saturday was Grandparents day, and we can’t pick her up from the airport on Saturday morning.  So glad he has done that.... yes, there’s a but, she has said ‘she will see what she can do’ (to find a ride from the airport and accommodation).  She will come over on the Sunday for the afternoon.  That night she is going to stay in the city as she is on a course for the week.  I just hope we don’t have to see her during that week but I can cope with that.

While i was walking today I figured that she was living with my DH and kinda fitted into the role of the female half of the equation.  DH paid for everything, even overseas holidays.  They did a lot of things together, but their relationship took a huge turn for the worse a few years ago while she was living with her partner in Australia.  She rang DH and told him they were getting married.  They were going to Ireland to be with her BF family and we thought, awesome, we will go and some of our friends wanted to come with us.  Then she realised she would have to do invitations etc etc, and said they weren’t inviting anyone.  Wow, one of the most hurtful things I have ever seen my DH go through.  They decided to get married in Australia in the end in a registry office, we were still not allowed to go, they had a few friends attend and afterwards they went out for dinner.  SD2 later sent us a DVD of their day, WTH, why would we want to see that when we weren’t invited.  It’s never been watched and I don’t think we even have it anymore.  She has since divorced.  Go figure!