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Jealous of Step Kids - The myth I have to bust.

JJO's picture

My DH believes that I am jealous of my SD5 :jawdrop:

~Quick Brief~
I dont have children of my own
this is my first -hopefully and only- marriage
Guilt parenting on his side ( he has admitted that himself)
5yo spoiled princess - she is the center of this world - wants everything her way
she doesnt follow any rules,she manipulates her father and anyone else that allows her to do so.
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At first, i could not believe what I had gotten myself into. The weeks she was with us I was invisible. So after the first few fights about it he said the unbelievable : "I cant believe you are so jealous of my daughter!! " which was a big shock to me.. For a moment -by the way- i thought it was true.. I thought "OMG I am jealous of a child !!??!! how did I let this happen?"

The thing is though, that I am not the jealous kind of person.. So what is it exactly that I am feeling? ...
Its resentment.
For him, not the child.How can I accept that I am his wife every other week? or better yet that I have a husband every other week? I never signed up for that! My problem is with him.

So I told him. Listen DH you cut me off when SD is around and blah blah blah. He had no idea .... he apologized..He started trying not to exclude me from conversations.. movie evenings. I thought we were through with that..

Biggrin

But oh no..
He wanted to take her away for the weekend because she starts kindergarten on Monday. and he tried to make it look like WE were going away for the weekend since we havent gone anywhere this year!! And when I told him that I am not buying it and that I know that this trip is not for us but its for her he brought it down to the Jealousy issue.

Sad is that i dont think it is a defensive weapon .. he really believes it..
No matter what I do , or how I treat her whenever I mention the "Your wife should always come first" to him its a sign of jealousy.

He just wont see it , that there has to be a structure in the family - Adults first , Kids next.
That I should be included in every decision that involves me and my presence to any kind of event - I am not a luggage for crying out loud!!!
that I am not a vegetable and that he cannot trick me into believing that something is for me when its clearly not !!
He wont see that I am not jealous of his child, I am furius with him .

We decided to have a conversation about it when the kid leaves this monday.
Any ideas or suggestions would help me very much.

Note: we are married for 8 months now. we come from different countries (I am from EU he is from USA). He is 11years older than me. He sometimes gives me the feeling that he sees me as a child too and I am not financially independent since I do not have a job.

Thank you all very much.

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JJO's picture

At this point my needs are not my issue. I just want to make him realize that I am not jealous of a 5yo girl. It is very insulting..
And I dont treat her bad.. Quite the opposite. I am nice and polite and try to leave the discipline part to her father.

JJO's picture

Dont worry about it.. its probably my poor English. It seems impossible to explain what I want to say. I have the same problem with DH too..

JJO's picture

Ok.. so what do you do about it? And how long have you been married? Did you just find a way to live with it?

Moon Child Step Mom's picture

My husband doesn’t have a score card. There is no 1st or 2nd in his book… the kids and I are on equal and all encompassing ground in his heart and I believe that’s how it should be. I will say that he makes sure to let everyone involved (BM, skids, in-laws) know that our relationship comes first and he won’t take any shit as far as that’s concerned.

I HATE when people start assigning metals in relationships…
The skids get the gold wile poor step mum settles for the lowly silver….
(or bronze in some sad cases) just sad.

oilandwater's picture

I have been accused of being jealous of SD15 by my DH too, I have to agree with you what I am feeling is not jealousy at all. It is resentment, not towards SD but towards DH. It usually comes up in our house when I have any kind of issue with anything she is doing. I tend to believe that that is his way of putting it back on me so he doesn't have to address the issue. Not saying that is what is going on in your home though.

JJO's picture

But you see, Monday its the big battle - I know i shouldnt be seeing it like this but I do!!cause it is very offensive and insulting! I didnt leave my whole life behind to move 7000miles away from my friends and family to hear these horrible accusations.

Willow2010's picture

And when I told him that I am not buying it and that I know that this trip is not for us but its for her he brought it down to the Jealousy issue.
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Ok, I gotta ask. Why would you do this??!! I may have reacted the same way. What would he have to do to prove to you that you are number one. It kind of sounds like he can't do anything good or you will say it is for her. Not picking, jsut trying to see the reason behind you telling him that. Smile

JJO's picture

here is what happened:
and hopefully you will see why i got upset

He comes home and says that he is taking Friday and Monday off so that we can go to a place for the weekend. We have been to that place before (actually that is the only place we've been since I moved here).
So I ask him , why go there? Cant we go some place else?
He says that he wants to go there again since we didnt explore the whole area.
Then I asked him if SD is going to be with us that weekend and he said : Oh! I dont know ... let me check .. YES! She is going to be with us!
-Has she ever been there?
-NO! We are going to have so much fun!!

I cant believe he took days off work without checking if SD was going to be with us or not - he is not like that.. Plus why did he choose to present it like that? If he was honest with me and told me that he wants to do something (anything ) since its her last day of summer i wouldnt say no.
But he has done it before and I just freaked out .. and said I am not going .

zuzieq611's picture

Willow, I have to disagree. Her problem was not that they were taking SD for a weekend vaca. but more that DH planned it without her, when in fact they should have planned it together. She feels that she is an afterthought, I would resent that.

bribaby1105's picture

Maybe he doesn't, as you say, put you first because his 5yr old daughter should come first. She is a child who needs the guidance of her parents and she may act out, but she is a child. You are the adult, and like or not, his daughter is not going anywhere any time soon. I completlely understand your feeling of resentment, which I think is almost normal, especially if you have no children of your own. You will never be able to come between his relationship with his daughter, so instead, why don't you try to make the best of it and "join" the relationship. For instance, who cares if his intentions for the vacation were mainly for his daughter, it's not as if he said you couldn't go. If you "pick your battles" you may get more accomplished than you'd think. Also, if he sees that you are not nitpicking his intentions for instance, he may see that you are making an effort and things may change for the better.

JJO's picture

I agree with you to a certain degree because I think that if he wants to put his child first he shouldnt have gotten married again.
He should dedicate his life to that child and not remarry. And lets say we have a child together,what is going to happen then. Will the older child be No1 just because her parents got a divorce when she was 2?..

bribaby1105's picture

So, you feel that anyone who has a child that wants to keep them a top priority should not ever have another relationship? That makes no sense to me. He should be able to have both. It seems to me that maybe you are jealous that there is another person in his life taking attention away from you. Do you not have any desire to become a part of the "family"? It takes effort. Also, you need to remember that his daughter is only five and she has to adjust to you as well. If you love him and want to make it work, you need to "share the spotlight" with his daughter. A person is more than capable of loving his new wife as well as his children without either of them feeling neglected. Maybe the problem is that you are just refusing to accept "sharing" him, and in that case, you will not be able to compete with his child, so you might as well give up now.

JJO's picture

So lets say someone who wants to put their kids as their first priority wants to have a relationship. What keeps them from having a BF or a GF ? Why marry ? If they dont want to "share their life" with someone ,they shouldn't do it. Why marry and expect them to come second. Isn't this selfish?

Why expect that someone will dedicate their life to someone who is not willing to do the same?

Plus keep in mind that i have a relevantly good relationship with the child. She tells me she loves me and talks a lot about me to her friends at school and many more. I dont have a problem with the girl. its my DH that I have the problem with.

bribaby1105's picture

Trust me, I know the "resentful" feeling. My husband and I have been together since his daughter was 3, she is now 10. I have been through think and thin. Thankfully, I was able to explain to my husband what bothered me and why; and he completely understood. My point is that you need to communicate with your husband instead of 'picking a fight'. Instead of saying, for instance "you planned this vacation just for her!" You should say something like "I understand you wanted this vacation to be for your daughter, however, it makes me feel left out when you plan things without considering my feelings." Also, if it is his weekend with his daughter, you should suggest doing something together. This makes it so you are putting forth the effort. He may think that you are jealous because of how you react to certain situations. Also, if you have a good relationship with "the child", as you put it, why don't you plan something for just you and her?? One on one time is priceless...

JJO's picture

We actually do things together,no very often and only inside the house for now but still .. I guess as she grows we will be able to do more and hopefully go shopping together or something without the "I want you to buy me this and that" fits..

And i understand that I should not be picking fights - It sucks that i want to fight with him.
But I do.

I am not a saint, but I do have good intentions

glynne's picture

Here is what I would do

Realize that SD is not the person you should be angry or frustrated with. She is a 5 YO spoiled princess because that is how her parents treat her. Allow 1 on 1 time between DH and SD. You go get a mani/pedi, drinks with friends whatever makes you happy. Plan 1 on 1 time with SD and start making SM/SD traditions. I use to take SD to the Nutcracker every Xmas season. When DH was traveling I would invite SD over for a GNI - girls' night in - we use to have a great time!
And don't forget to plan 1 on 1 time between you and DH - no kids allowed. If you show DH that you respect his relationship with SD and that you are building a relationship with SD - the boy will be happy. Finally, you must tell DH straight out that you and he are the adults/parents and that partnership is the foundation for the family. Again, if DH knows that you respect his relationship with SD and that you are building one with her - he should be more open and listen to you when you tell him what your needs are.

Persephone's picture

When traveling with small children on an airplane we are instructed that in an emergency we should place our oxygen mask on first before assisting our children. This same strategy should apply when raising them. It's not jealousy... it is the right thing to do.

All children, and particularly those that come from broken homes, need to see healthful adult relationships.

What's the point of marriage?

JJO's picture

I agree completely.
I think its the right thing to do..

I just dont know how to explain it to my husband.

Persephone's picture

It is definitely not resolved in one or two conversations. It may take years for him to break his habit of spotlighting his child.

What you have going for you is that SD is only 5. BUT, many life-long personality traits are developed during this critical period. My DH always used to say because she is my baby... Yes, she is, and some day she may be a friend, a wife or a mother... You are not doing her any favors. Because DH loved his dghtr to death and had poor parenting, she lacks all of the necessary skills to be independent woman. He regrets that now. I gave my DH this article. http://www.healthyplace.com/parenting/challenge-of-difficult-children/to...

And this poem: Children learn what they live

http://www.empowermentresources.com/info2/childrenlearn-long_version.html

bribaby1105's picture

A marriage can be undone (i.e. divorce), a child can not...however, I do agree with putting you spouse as a top priority, but it should not be something that anyone is forced to choose between (spouse vs child), children should always remain a priority.

cain8cody12's picture

Okay, I don't understand why everyone is jumping in the band wagon of the SK should come first. I totally disagree with that. My marriage to my DH should come first so that the sk will learn what a healthy relationship is all about. Why does a new partner need to feel excluded from time, or activities that their DH or DW has with their children. That just gives a child the impression that they are above the SM or SF in their biological parents life and that is not right. Our children are going to grow up and move away and if we do not make our marriages the #1 top priority, when they do leave we will have nothing. Not only will our children be gone but by that time we will have so much resentment towards our partners for feeling left out and ignored for the majority of our marriages because their children had to come first. Total BS, their needs may come above ours when it comes to food, shelter, and clothing but their emotional needs are no more important than ours as their spouses.

bribaby1105's picture

I agree, my whole point is that there shouldn't have to be a choice. A person is capable of having both. There shouldn't be a competition involved.

Persephone's picture

Your right it is not a competition: "pups" need to understand who the alphas are in the pack. Any spouse who seconds his partner to the children is providing an unspoken invitation for disrespect of authority. It is from that the the "pups" will compete and challenge for alpha placement. That happens soon enough when they are getting ready to leave the pack-- it should not be encouraged at the ripe old age of 5.

JJO's picture

So since apparently my DH feels that I , not only compete but am actually jealous of his BD, do you have any ideas of how to explain to him that what he says is not true ?

winehead's picture

I think I understand how you feel. I don't have young stepkids, but my DH will still occasionally make commitment and plans (skid related or not) without asking me and it makes me crazy. In fact we were talking about it at lunch today and DH says he tries his best not to take me for granted or make commitments without asking me first, but sure enough not half an hour later he did it again. Damn.

You might be feeling excluded from the decisions he makes. I mean, if this was a weekend getaway for the two of you, why would you not be involved in selecting the location? If he wanted to take his daughter to this place, why would he not just say that's what he'd like to do and hoped that you would come with them? I think you're mad because he was trying to manipulate you into doing what HE wanted to do. That's not what a partner does.

JJO's picture

Thank you!!

that is exactly how I see it. And he says that i am jealous - but to me this is not even an issue :O

winehead's picture

He's using that jealousy excuse to deflect attention from the real situation. When you talk with him about this, talk about how YOU feel when HE does something. It has nothing to do with his daughter. "When you make plans without asking me, I feel left out."

steptwins's picture

Sounds exactly what we SM's hear -- jealous of stepkids defensive dribble from DH. All smoke and mirrors to throw us off track from the real issue: Disney Dad. Forget about the dotting husband they want to be Disney Dad first & whenever possible.

driven to tears's picture

Hear, Hear,To all above on the jealousy issue! SD and H use it as weapon when in reality, SD has always been jealous of me, even admitting to it once. Trying to outdo me, but never will so on with the games she goes! It poisons the entire family and they don't care!
It is about husband and wife (the adults)coming first to show children a united front and loving relationship for them to feel secure about and learn from. Kids can see when there is a problem and will use this to get what they want. That what kids do.
SDs with guilt-parenting dads who try to break up the marriage are just showing their true colors-it's about them and not how it can affect their beloved daddy. As well as the rest of the family.
Yes, I also think kids are like puppies and if there is no alpha,(the husband and wife) the the pack goes wild!
When H allows anyone to disrespect me, it feels like totally betrayal of our vows and love.
I have stood up for my H when it should have been the other way around. When someone f$%ks with my family, I f^%k with them! But it caused me to resent my H.

glynne's picture

Actions speak louder than words.

I would show DH that I was confident enough in the marriage and my role in it. I would step back and allow him 1 on 1 time with his daughter. I would also work on my relationship with his daugther....baby steps if necessary. Find a girl movie that you could both enjoy. I introduced my SD to the Anne of Green Gables series - she LOVED it. We would pop popcorn and watch it together. I love to cook so SD and I would cook dinner together and have a family dinner with DH. You could also suggest a family night/day with a hike, movie, board game etc.

And be sure to set up a date night with DH too.

JJO's picture

So do you say that I should let them go without me?

Cause hubby says I am being mean and unfair for even suggesting that..

stepmasochist's picture

I think you should go if you want to, but if you don't want to, don't go.

If you want to go, but you feel like you'll be treated like a third-wheel you should let DH know that.

Maybe tell him, that you'll sit this one out and hopefully, by the next time something like this comes up the two of you will have negotiated some of these issues.

steptwins's picture

Great example - If my skids are away, DH doesn't do his grocery shopping that week. Because food/drinks aren't important for DH & I, just them? Same for trips -- if skids aren't interested than he doesn't see need to go anywhere. And school attendance? Don't get me started... Even when he first came home from surgery last winter he perked up the 1st day & started waiting on them when it should have been the other way around & driving them before he was supposed to drive. Made me sick.

Cdngirl's picture

I don't know if your DH is like mine, but when trying to talk about something that he is very touchy about, it is like trying to put out a forest fire with a glass of water. It doesn't work. My DH and I also have very different ways of communication and he likes to play the blame game or the one up game. I have found that before I go into a conversation with my DH in regards to SD and issues that I have with him and I, writting a letter for him to read a day before usually helps. I include a lot of I words. I then give it a day to set in. This way I can explain myself without having to defend myself and my feelings. It also gives him a day to cool down and enter into a conversation without all the emotion. We got this idea from our time in counselling. It is getting to the point that we don't always have to do this anymore. It still helps when there is a major problem, but for the little things we have learned to communicate more effectively.

JJO's picture

Yes he is touchy, because he doesnt want to be wrong.

But I just cant let go of this one~ how can i make myself clear that I am not jealous of his little princess?
Is there a way really?

Cdngirl's picture

I know about the touchy thing. Also one wrong word in trying to explain yourself and that is all they focus on, "what did you mean by that", "how could you say that", "well you do that too". These things just get me going and the next thing you know, we are going round and round and neither one of us is hearing each other. My DH and I ended up in counselling because of this. The writting of a letter helped me because I was able to sit down and explain how I was feeling, it gave me time to loose the emotions and use the words I wanted to use without having to defend myself. My letters were much better received. As they say communication is 10% verbal and 90% non verbal. By taking out the non verbal my words were much better heard. Even if you write down what you want to say and take the letter to read from in your conversation.

glynne's picture

Yes, I do suggest that Dh and his daughter spend time alone together

He may complain at first but if you also spend time together as a family and you spend time with his daughter and you spend time alone with DH - it should balance out.

You could try explaining to DH what you are attempting to do. But if he is like my DH - the eyes glaze over and the ears close when I try to talk "relationship". Maybe you need to do the family thing first, go on a hike, movie whatever then thry the 1 on 1.

chong10's picture

You don't see many DH's on this sight saying things the other way around. I am one of these DH's who is resented for adoring his children. You say resented but it is a very fine line between resentment and JEALOUSY of a child.IS it the competition for his attention or time or should they disregard the cild they previously had prior to your relationship. A child who probably was more than content with not having to share their parents attention let alone share iot with someone who might try and make DH feel guilty for loving someone other than you( their child). As I said I am one of these DH's who is resented and have been for more than a year now and if I am in the position where I'm made to feel as if I have to chose between 1 I have a moral and ethical obligation to as a father and 1 I have a choice to be with or not to, it would be a very tough and cruel decision to be asked to make, and very dissapointing result. I do need to ask how you would feel if the shoe was on the other foot?

JJO's picture

I read chong10 reply and I enjoyed it a lot. First because he is a man, and we really dont hear the other side that often and second because he sounded EXACTLY like my DH.That post could have been his, eeeeasily!!!

and I would like to tell you chong10,that "if" I had a child from another marriage,I WOULDN'T EXPECT MY NEW HUSBAND TO BOW TO MY CHILD'S DEMANDS! I would take his desires into consideration too.(Because I would love my new husband too much ,not to. I would appreciate the fact that my new husband was so in love with me that decided to marry me despite the fact that I have a child with someone else. )

And under no circumstances would I tell him that he is jealous of my child.

But since this is not so, we will never find out what I would do if I was in his shoes.

What I can say,is how I feel about the situation that I am in as we speak.
No matter what I do or how I treat my SD, the moment I make a comment about her behavior, or his behavior towards her, I am instantly JEALOUS.
It makes no difference to him,if i spend half my day cleaning her room, prep.dinner for her,doing her laundry,help her take a shower,dry her hair , help her pick her clothes for school.
It makes no difference to him that I spend time with her playing,coloring,talking and singing.

Nope.

No difference.

And I never asked him to pick. He thinks he needs to pick because he didnt think things through when he married me.

But this is not my fault.is it? Why do I have to pay for it?

And I will ask you this,

If he was still married to his EX, wouldn't they set boundaries ? Would they let their kid have it her way? No. They would set rules and the child would have to follow the house rules.And if one of the parents was being more flexible,the other would have the right to point it out without the fear of being accused of any of these.....and the word jealousy wouldnt be mentioned...

So doesnt he have to make up his mind in the end?
What does he want to have?
A FAMILY where everybody has a place? Or two lives? One with the child he already has, and one with the wife he chose to fill in the gap between the weekends...

:?

winehead's picture

Chong, the question isn't about choosing one over the other. It's wonderful that you adore your children, and I assume you also adore your wife. The problem for many stepmoms is that we are sometimes invisible and inconsequential when the stepkids are around. We expect to be equal partners in our marriage, but frequently decisions are made without us for the sole purpose of accommodating the stepkids. And frequently those decisions are based on guilt. We get tired of being ignored when the stepkids are around.

As an example, my DH and I both have adult children, and I really struggled the first couple years of our marriage when DH would jump at any chance to accommodate his kids, including spending money we didn't have so that he wouldn't have to tell his kids "no". One real big eye opener for him was when I came home from a doctor visit with news that I might have cancer. I was very upset as you might imagine, but one of his kids called on the phone and he interrupted our conversation to take the call. I hear them laughing and having a good old time while I'm left alone, scared, and now resentful feeling like a casual conversation with his kids is more important than a life and death conversation with me.

We worked through it and he had no idea that he was being so cold toward me until I pointed it out. I know the man loves me but there have been many times like this when his actions indicated that he loves me when it's convenient and his kids aren't around, and I couldn't accept that. (He no longer allows his kids to control what he does and doesn't do, well, pretty much.)

So that's what this is about. Stepmoms want to be wives and partners. We want to support our husbands' relationships and time with their kids,we really do. But sometimes it feels like we're the ones doing all the giving, and all we get back is resentment.

jojo68's picture

I was told very early on that my BF daugther would always come first...I accept that and I deal with it. It may not be a situation that is ideal but I love my BF. He is good to me but he does not put me first in his life. As she is getting older and isn't around as much....I think he sees that there is a great big world out there besides catering to a spoiled, demanding child. BF is totally consumed with trying to make her happy....the other day he actually said that he realized that there is no pleasing her no matter what. Because she isn't clung to him 24-7 as much I think he sees the picture a bit more clearly than before. Baby steps indeed but progress. Hang in there....your love will pull you through.

JJO's picture

I can only say that i am sorry for what you are going through. I ,personally, cannot accept it..
I have chosen to fight it and wherever it takes me I'll go.

JJO's picture

Quick update:

We didn't go anywhere last weekend because SD5 didn't want to go out of town. She preferred to go to chuckie cheeses with her 5yo friend. So we went and picked up her friend and spent the afternoon there.

That is how SHE wanted it , that is how SHE had it! Fine by me! that gave me time to wash the carpet in the living room Sunday morning :). So its all good. All good but one thing. My DH was trying to make it look like something it is not. And it hurts.I expected more from him,way more...
And I am disappointed in him. I decided not to talk about it (I mean the weekend )with him again. I will let it pass.
So let's just say that he was afraid of my reaction and that is why he chose to do it like this.

But the jealousy part.. I wont let go.

I will be back ..

Thank you all for your support. It means a lot to me.