I do not know what to do
Will try to make this short. I was married to first wife for 12 years. We split when daughter
was 8. She stayed with mom. I remarried when daughter was 17. She went to college for 1 1/2
years and then asked if she could take a break from school and move in with us. X wife did not
want her daughter to take a college break but I was ok with it and looked forward to having my daughter move in with me and my new wife. Very quickly things went sour between current wife and daughter.
Daughter got a job and decided to not go back to school. Things go so bad ( disrespect from daughter to current wife, disrespect from daughter to me, not taking care of house duties, just coming and going as she wanted, etc. And worst thing she lied to us about everything. Also my daughter is very overweight and lazy. She does not take care of her responsibilities. After 2 1/2 years daughter was asked to move out with my help to pay her rent, with conditions. She did not like the conditions so she was given the choice to do the things I asked or the help with rent would stop. She chose to have the rent help stopped. I had given my daughter a new car when she was 20 and a few months after she moved out I got several parking tickets that were unpaid after several months with charges of over $800. Asked daughter why she did not
take care of the tickets and did not get a good response. Long story short. Two years ago daughter moved to Virginia got a good job and was supporting herself. Shortly before daughter moved to Va. my wife's niece moved in with us. She is same age as my daughter and was in the country from the Philippines where she was a physical therapist. Niece never caused any problems.
She got married during one of her visits home got pregnant and and 18 months ago gave birth to a wonderful girl. He husband was able to come to the country a year ago and he and the baby and the wife stayed with us for another year until the moved out 3weeks ago. About 4 months ago my daughter lost her job and one month ago she moved back with us. Fortunately they were all here for only 1 week. For 3 - 4 weeks my wife has been telling me that she is not sure if she can take it having my daughter living with us again. I ask her what she wants. She wants my daughter to treat us respectfully, help out with the household duties, to get a job or go to school, etc. What she really wants if for my daughter to start taking care of herself and for her to get a job and be productive. I want that too but can see that my daughter needs help. I would like to help her with therapy but costs make for conflict between me and current wife. My daughter is trying. She keeps her room clean, helps out around the house, prepares meals, but for the most part avoids my wife. My wife only sees the things about my daughter that are bad. She asks me what is your daughter going to do about her weight, when is she going to get a job. Oh yes I must add that daughter lost drivers lisc. and her new car was repossessed. Kind of tough to get a job today.
I wanted us to have a new start and can see that my daughter is trying. Sure she could try harder. My daughter has a sour look on her face on all the time and looks angry. I ask here to
try to cheer up as here angry look makes me and my wife wonder why she is angry with us. Daughter insists she is not angry. She is sad and how do you cheer up a sad person who is down
on her luck. The sad face certainly brings my wife down. I am worried about my daughter. I ask wife to try to forget what happened in the past but she cannot seem to do that. I have tried to tell my wife many times that my daughter did not grow up in a loving caring family. She spent 10 years with only her mom and stepdad and that certainly has affected her personality. I try to balance things by pointing out that during the 3 years her niece and family lived with us and I was always nice to them and made them feel welcome here. I point out that the niece and husband
except for helping with meals and cleaning up only the room they stayed in never did anything
else around the house. We did all the cleaning in the shared rooms. I did all the work outside the house. Now my daughter helps clean the house and yet all my wife sees is what she does not do.....and that is take care of herself.
My wife has a large family in the area. Last weekend everyone was over our house for dinner. My daughter helped me get the meal ready and set the tables while my wife and her sister went to church. When they got back and the niece and family and her mother( another sister ) arrived and the kitchen got crowed my daughter went upstairs to her room. Keep in mind my wife and her sisters and niece like speak their native language when they are together. I understand this and and am ok with it when I am not able to hear what they are saying, but when I am around I request that they speak english. They sometimes forget about the english rule and when that happens it is very easy to feel left out. During the rush to get dinner ready my wife asked me where my daughter was and if she could empty the dishwasher. Now keep in mind there were already 4 - 5 people in the kitchen. Anyone could have emptied the dishwasher. I did not take it well that my wife had to tell me to ask my daughter to do something that anyone could do. I was already planning to do it myself anyway since I was already cleaning up the cooking mess. Another person in the body in the kitchen would just be in the way.
I am not sure what to do. Right now we are talking about getting a divorce, but it seems such a waste. I am torn apart. I want to make things better but I do not know what to do.
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Women are got good at forgiving and forgetting. When its your birth child its easier to go with the flow, but when its the Sks we remember every infraction. Your wife probably is not over the past problems and now that SD is back they are magnified. You need to set a plan in place where there is going to be an improvement and the daughter is going to get her own place. Your wife will wallow in the pit unless she can see that something positive is going to happen and that she will not always be taking care of this older woman. She may be your daughter, but in your wife's mind she is old enough to move on and get a life of her own instead of acting like a little kd. Your wife needs to see that it wont always be like this.
at first I was on wife side...now I don't know
Aside from all the things your daughter has done to screw up her life it sounds like maybe she's finally putting on her "grown up panties" and trying to repent. I can see how your wife might shy away from this but I imagine it's because she's AFRAID. Her fear of your daughter falling back into her old pattern of screwing up is making your wife build that wall higher and higher. No matter what your daughter does at this point will break that wall unless the communication improves. The fear needs to be taken care of so the wall can be removed.
"We all have different desires and needs, but if we don't discover what we want from ourselves and what we stand for, we will live passively and unfulfilled.”
Your wife is not blameless, but the change has to come from you.
I'm glad it sounds like your daughter is finally attempting to get her life in order. It sucks that it took so long, and that it has to happen in your house.
First, I think you have to own up to your part in this problem. You allowed this situation to go WAY too far. There is no way your daughter should have been allowed to plant herself in your house for 2 1/2 years and do essentially nothing, all the while disrespecting you and your wife. You say that "X wife did not
want her daughter to take a college break but I was ok with it and looked forward to having my daughter move in with me and my new wife." Nowhere in this sentence do I see one word telling us what your CURRENT wife felt about this situation. Did she get consulted on this the first time, or did you just tell her that your daughter would be moving in? It sounds to me like you did absolutely nothing to make this situation better, and you let your daughter completely run the show. What wife wouldn't resent this situation? You gave your daughter your wife's space, time, money, allowed her to be disrespected, etc.
Fast forward to today: "About 4 months ago my daughter lost her job and one month ago she moved back with us." Once again, not one word about what your wife's opinion of this was. Did you consult her, or did you once again just tell her that your daughter was moving back in?
At this point, the fact that you had some of her family staying with you is irrelevant. Step one to making this situation better is to go to your wife, bring up all of this, and say: "I am deeply, sincerely sorry that I brought my daughter into this house, TWICE, against your will, and allowed her to disrespect you and me and our home. I am deeply sorry that I allowed her to take advantage of us for so long and essentially forced you to go along with it."
After that, you need to ask her if she will help you to find a way to help your daughter -- a way that works for YOUR WIFE as well as you and your daughter. At this point, your wife is incapable of seeing anything your daughter does as positive. But that's because you've created a situation where the two of them are on opposing teams. Your wife sees -- correctly, I think -- that so far, only one of them gets to have their way at a time. And mostly, you give it to your daughter. No wonder you don't feel like your wife is not able to see anything good about your daughter -- and she sees you on your daughter's team, not hers.
If you want to avoid divorce, you and your wife have to be on the same "team." I'm glad you can see your daughter making progress. But you have to admit, it would be tough for your wife to see anything except how many days before she's out again!?!??!!
One more thing: you say you were frustrated because your wife wanted your daughter to empty the dishwasher. You say you were mad that she asked your daughter to do something that anyone else could do. Well. In my house, when a parent asks someone to do something, "why can't X do it?" is not an acceptable answer. Likewise, it's not a mature reaction in an adult. Can you imagine, if you were at a party with friends. and someone said to you, will you please empty the dishwasher -- if there was someone closer, would you say, "Why can't HE do it? He's closer?" For gosh sakes, your daughter is an adult, and you are trying to teach her to be mature. Your wife gave her an opportunity to show herself to be an adult by helping out. Your reaction was to defend her like a helpless baby. I'm sure that's hot helping at all! First, how is that teaching your child to be a fully-contributing adult? Second, how is that helping your daughter "prove" to your wife that she's changed and is no longer the lazy person you don't want your wife to think she is?
Just my thoughts.
BB
- You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. (2Bloved)
guests
I have never asked and I never will ask a guest to do anything at my house. My SD also moved in with me and it took an act of congress to get her out, but we did it. It was like living with the X wife everyday. She looks like the X, acts like the X and is just as nasty as the X. Somehow then nut always falls close to the tree. Those of us that deal with adult sks are in a category all by our selves so hopefully, that group will respond to your thread.
The second time SD asked to move in after graduating from college I put my foot down. Not going to happen baby doll, luckily for me BF supported me and we told her to go stay with her mom.
i guess I will play
devil's advocate on this one. I never read anywhere in your post (though I may have missed it) where your daughter moving back in to your home was a joint decision by you AND your wife. If you didn't discuss this with her prior to BD moving in, I can REALLY understand your wife's position.
Secondly, I think it was Sparky who said that women are harder to forgive than men. I would agree with that. Being a SM myself, I think I find it much harder than my DH to forgive my SD17 when she acts like a complete ass. Your wife just may be having a harder time letting go. Also, at least from my standpoint, I find it harder to forgive SD particularly b/c she hurts DH. I can get over the things she does to me, but it is much harder when she is hurting DH and NOT feeling bad for it.
If your daughter IS truly trying and you arent just making excuses for her lack of motivation, then I think you should sit DW down and ask her what her thoughts on the whole thing are adn then listen to her suggestions, really listen.
Family Dynamics
A good quarter of my extended family is Filipino, and I know something about how family dynamics run in such a family. What StepAside said is true, family is everything to Filipinos, and they will do anything for family. Including newcomers to the family, as long as they are respectful. Pulling on personal experience, what your wife was doing when she called on your daughter to empty the dishwasher was probably 1. an attempt to bring her into the group, or at least into the same room, and 2. avoid asking a guest in her home to empty a dishwasher. If everyone is speaking tagalog, you usually just need to remind them you're in the room. We are often loud, to the point of being obnoxious, and often talking over each other. My dad was always mumbling about getting ear plugs. It's loud because everyone is there. A lone person hiding in their room would seem very odd and borderline rude. I'm just offering this as a possible insight from your wife's perspective.
As to everything else, I am curious about why she lost her job, her license, and her car. After losing her job I can understand her losing her car if she can't pay for it, but it takes a bit of effort to lose your license too. Is she trying to get a new job? Is she moving forward with her life or is she hiding from it? You said "What [your wife] really wants if for my daughter to start taking care of herself and for her to get a job and be productive." That doesn't seem overly critical to me. You want to shelter your daughter, of course you do, you are her father and that is only natural. But your daughter is now a grown woman who needs to learn to cope with the ups and downs of life that everyone faces. It is wonderful that you are able to offer her a haven while she recoups, but it should be a temporary haven until she gets back on her feet. Yes, she had a difficult childhood as a product of divorce, but that excuse will not carry her through life. Sure, therapy might help, but that is an ongoing process that will not be solved in time for her to get a job. You said she needs help, and she could probably use some. Help such as driving her to interviews or to a temp agency. Looking at school brochures with her. You need to be proactive. Allowing her to wallow in her frustration is only making things worse.
I think you do need to open up communication with your wife. If your daughter was disrespectful in the past that is not easy to forget or forgive. Clean slates do not happen very easily. If you can speak with your wife and let her know that you want to help your daughter move forward and would like her help doing so I think that would be a good starting place.
This is just my opinion, of course. I hope things work out for you all.
I would like to add
that maybe it might be a good gesture on your daughters part to at least attempt to learn at least a few phrases in your wifes native tongue?
I do not know what to do ....more info
Thanks everyone for the very good advice. Before my daughter moved into the house both times my
wife was involved in the decision. The first time she welcomed my daughter into the house. This
time she was reluctant. The big problem is my daughters lying. At first she said she was laid off
at work and then later I found out she was let go because of a problem at work. I am sure I am more
wrong at this issue than my current wife because I feel sorry for my daughter and it really hurt me
to see the person she became during the 10 years she lived with her mother. She became 100 lbs overweight during her high school years and during the same time her mother was an active marathon
runner who has qualified to run at Boston for the past 20 years. I am sure some of my daughters negative behavior came from the lack of attention and eating discipline she needed from her mother. Also her mom came from a very unloving family. My daughter is actively looking for work and she intends to go to nursing school ( already accepted ). I take her to interviews and help as much as
I can. The dishwasher matter I could have handled better. I know it sounds tame her asking me if I could get my daughter to empty the dishwasher, but the way it was the way she asked me that kind of set me off. In the tone it was delivered it sound to me like can you get your damn daughter down her to empty the dishwasher. Funny thing is every time my daughter asks my wife if she needs help or if there is anything she can do the wife always says no. There are only things to do when she is not around to offer to do them. I already know that the Filipino culture causes problems but I have been dealing with that for over 10 years and for the most part I enjoy the close family ties she has. I will try to set up a conversation tonight when the wife gets home from work. Something that we intended to do when my daughter first moved back in but something that was put off until my wife's family moved out. Again thanks for the feedback.