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My partner uses every opportunity he can find to tell me his daughter is his first priority

Superstarfish's picture

Hi guys,

its been a while. Had a peaceful couple of weeks overseas without the instant family and feel calmer, happier and more objective as a result of it. Can really recommend this.

Anyway. I would like to discuss priorities with you.

Background: My partner has a 6 year old daughter. We have moved in together about 1.5 years ago. Been together for 3 years in total now. I get on well with the kid.

Every single bigger (and often smaller) decision like where to live, where to go on holiday, who gets the biggest room in the house is taken without taking my needs into consideration. The answer: "My daughter is my priority". In my opinion this creates competition between the child and me and leaves me in a very vulnerable and depressing place. My theory here is: I am more likely to treat a child like a princess if I am treated like a queen and not like a maid (you get what Im saying?

I fully understand a child needs their parent and a good parent/child connection is sacred and necessary.

However, I would like to raise three questions:

- If he puts his child first, who does he expect me to put first? Him? His child? My friends? Myself?
- Does this mean that my needs will always be less important than hers? We always go on holiday where they want, we live where they want etc.
- How do you respond to this statement?

Where does this lead us? Will I be hoping that when she is older she will share needs with me so that I can finally have some of my needs met? Because only if its her need too will it be considered.

Im sure you can read my anger and frustration through these lines.

Please help me to think this through.

I appreciate your comments.

xxx

Disneyfan's picture

This man has made it clear that his child is his priority. He has told and shown you that.

You have told him you don't agree. But by staying in the relationship and going along with this foolishness, you showing him that you do agree with it.

If you want things to change, back your words up with action.

Superstarfish's picture

Disneyfan, thank you. I actually believe action is the only thing a man understands. Nagging certainly doesnt help, reasoning hardly ever.

givemesugar's picture

I had a similar interaction to which I kept responding well will she be satisfying your needs in bed too.
Sometimes you have to be blatant in who really takes care of his needs. Further repeat back to him that it's really important that parents make their relationship priority number one because they are the ones that they are left with when your kids move out and start there own life. Second it's important to teach you children that what a healthy relationship is and what they should expect from their eventual partners.

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

...I hate that. That's just a phrase to use to shut a person up when you want things your way. I would just walk because he doesn't have room in his life for anyone else. Even though DH and I are together with our own daughter, no one is more of a "priority" than anyone else. No one gets to veto anyone else's opinion just because something else is a "priority." We discuss and decide, based on all practical and emotional factors, what the best route to go is. (Like say, bedroom--BD is small, does not need a big bedroom, dangerous to have the biggest bedroom because there's a bathroom and there's no way we are willing to risk her falling in the toilet, we're two adults that need more space, so she gets the small bedroom while we get the big one. Practical reasoning.)

Now, onto your questions:
- If he puts his child first, who does he expect me to put first? Him? His child? My friends? Myself?

Ask him. I suppose in this scenario you can choose whatever the heck you want as your priority, since he did.

- Does this mean that my needs will always be less important than hers? We always go on holiday where they want, we live where they want etc.

Yes. This he has clearly told you. It shouldn't be this way since you guys are the adults and she is the child, but that's what this dude wants because he has some twisted idea of how to show love.

- How do you respond to this statement?

I would probably say something like--You're hurting your daughter by catering to everything she wants. The real world doesn't work like that and she's not going to have the coping skills necessary to function and adapt to reality because you can't show her/tell her "no." I would even liken it to child abuse, because you're destroying her ability to grow up into a functioning adult.

And then I'd probably add, so screw you. I'm out. I can't take watching a perfectly good child be screwed up because her dad doesn't know what it means to love her beyond superficially giving her things she asks for.

Superstarfish's picture

Hi there, thank you for wrapping your head around this. There is an update now: Apparently the only way for this relationship to work is if I make the child priority too. He talks a lot about being sychronised. As much as I have adjusted my lifestyle to accommodate his daughter I cannot prioritise her in my life like a mother would.

Superstarfish's picture

Hy luvmypuppy,

I agree. We are not a family. A family takes everybodies needs into consideration. Its a way to control. Because, flip while she is 6 she can be talked into anything. It will be interesting to see how this all works out once she is older, especially since her mum encourages emancipation.

I have to admit that I have felt like an outsider in this set up and a bit like a sleep in nanny to be honest. I am also forever told that I dont know what its like because I dont have a kid.

The ex is very soft, much softer than me if thats possible and I reckon he also bullied her. She is now on a liberating self finding/healing trip.

Im already end 30ties, dont want kids and believe that love can be found at every age. I also have a flock of good friends and a puppy Wink

Greetings to you and thanks for your rersponse,
S

2Tired4Drama's picture

Well said! If it's this bad now, imagine what it will be like when the daughter starts getting older. The pattern will be set and the OP will be even more miserable, because these situations NEVER get better.

Superstarfish's picture

Hi,

to be honest those very unique step family dynamics were new to me and yes I didnt know what standards to have in this new set up and whats normal and whats not. There is a lot I had to learn about boundary setting especially. I read a lot of books.......

I am not desperate for this man, any man or to be in a relationship. I dont want kids of my own (after seeing all those unhappy mothers). But I am a loyal person, who tries 150% to make things work before giving up. I also got quite attached to the child. I will however not be able to deal with this narcissitic behaviour camoflaged as best dad in the world.

Your answer hit the spot. You are right. Its all about me though: What are my priorities, what are my standards. I think I need to meditate on that. Also thanks for reminding me: Dating is to find out if its a fit. Not more.

Thank you for your reply. You really helped me. x

Superstarfish's picture

True words! She is six so she doesnt actually have her own identity yet and thinks whatever he decides for her is good. I think he is in for a treat once she gets older. She is already showing pretty strong character traits and gets encouraged by her mum to talk her mind.

Superstarfish's picture

Thank you Echo! I have an update of the story. Will post for everybody to read. I think its the final drop I needed to call it a day.

Ohpeachy's picture

So much negativity on here. It's hard to generalize. Every family and relationship comes with different circumstances. You have to decide what you are and aren't willing to put up with or compromise on.
How long has DH been separated from BM?
I know a lot of divorced parents feel guilty about separation, for the sake of the children's well being and often tend to overcompensate because of it. His comment about wishing he was still married to BM, as ignorant as it may have come across, was likely just referencing his guilt of the separation, that it would be much easier on the children if they were a whole unit still.
I think that being in a relationship with someone that has a child will require a lot of patience, and understanding that sometimes the child's needs will be more important than your own. This has been a struggle for me as I do not have children of my own, and maybe lack the understanding of a parent/child bond. I definitely have moments where I experience what you are feeling, but have to remind myself that she is a 6 YO kid and is dealing with going back and forth between houses, different rules, possibly sensing resentment between her parents. None of her friends have divorced parents so she probably feels like her life is very unnormal.

Superstarfish's picture

Hi Ohpeachy, they have been separated for 1 .5 years before I have met him. He definitely suffers from guilty dad syndrome yes. Most of the time I prioritise his kids needs (naturally) but sometimes I would like my needs met too. I do feel like I am just fulfilling a job description if this is not the case. In addition, if the packing order is not clear I dont feel like looking after her. Yes it is a sensitive situation but its sensitive for everybody not just the child.

redfox766's picture

No, honey, what you're seeing here isn't negativity, it's practicality from people who've been there and done that.

To paraphrase others who have spoken huge amounts of sense: everyone's needs matter, no-one is a priority, the birth parent is no more wise or important than a step parent, and if you aren't having your need met, get out of the relationship.

End of.

Superstarfish's picture

Hey luvlies,

thank you for your replies. Here is an update:

Remember my question about who I should make priority in this set up?

He explained to me now that I need to make his daughter priority so that we can be synchronised. He is torn between me and a free life and his responsibility as a father.
Me prioritising his daughter in my life, is the only way he can imagine us going on with the relationship and be closer as he says, argue less etc.

In all of this I see a need to control and to overwrite my identity and needs. I am a loyal but free spirit and I think he struggles with this. I do stuff with girlfriends over the wkd, can go on holidays on my own, have a career.

I guess I will choose the highway. I have given a lot for this relationship, but wont give up my identity.

xxx

Last In Line's picture

Good for you! You should never have to give up your entire identity to make a relationship work.

He is going to find it tough going to find someone who will make HIS child their #1 priority.

WalkOnBy's picture

You know, I am glad that you got the clarification you needed.

Here's the thing that makes me sooooooooo mad about these Disney Dads - I raised three kids. I was married to their father for 8 years and then divorced from him. I remarried 10 years later. Never in either of my marriages, or in the very long term relationship I had between them, did I feel the need to be "synchronised" - in MY world, the relationship between the adults comes first.

Adults first, then children. That's the way it should be. And that's the way it will be in your next relationship Smile

Good luck to you!!

notsobad's picture

Your comment made me think and I did put my kids first. I did what was best for them and that meant not having anyone significant in my life for the first few years that I was separated and then divorced.

I dated, you know dinner and a movie on the weekends the kids were with their Dad but nothing serious. I spent a lot of time with my girlfriends. Thank dog for good friends!

I think maybe that's what a lot of these men need to do.

Don't get into a serious relationship until you are ready to put that person and that relationship first. If you want put your kids first, great! Just don't expect everyone else to do it as well.

WalkOnBy's picture

but you said it yourself - "for the first few years".....

Even when I was married, the relationship came first. My kids' immediate needs - food, clothes, blah blah - came first always, but in the way that most people mean.

when people say they "put their kids first" I think they mean above and beyond everything else - and, in my opinion, adults come first, then kids.

Adults make the decisions around the house because they pay the bills - kids don't get to decide which room they want, which food to buy, etc. That's not "putting kids first", that's just enabling and creating brats.

notsobad's picture

OH I agree! Adults make the decisions and they are based on what is best for everyone, not just what the kids want.

Yes, it was just the first few years. And in my case it was an attempt to make sure my kids knew I was there for them, that the divorce and me going to work didn't mean they'd been abandoned.
They weren't coddled and I wasn't a push over giving them everything they asked for. It just meant that they had my full attention.

By the time I met DH and was in that swooning falling in love stage, my kids were over the divorce and knew I was there if they needed me. There was no power struggle between DH and my boys.
Plus they were older, had their own lives and activities and we're glad I'd found someone who made me happy.

The skids were the same. DH would tell them how much he loved me and loved our life together and they were happy for him. SD told me she was happy that her Dad found me and she wished her Mom would find the same love with someone.

Disillusioned's picture

When my DH & I first started seeing each other, just casual dating, he used a line similar to that. He said to me that his daughters were his 1st priority, his work was 2nd, and the woman in his life was 3rd.

He actually said that

So, I thought; okay, you have told me the way it is. So be it.

I then went back to dating others, having fun in my life, and DH believe me did not even make the priority list

I was hurt, angry, but I thought that at least he put it in perspective for me and since I was not in to that, I would happily move on and live my life without giving him a second thought.

That's what I did

I went on wonderful dates with other men, partied with my friends, and wrote DH off in my life.

I moved on

Of course, not long after, DH started calling and wanting to get together.

I was always unavailable

He tried harder and harder, and I eventually went on the occasional date, but never really thought about committing to DH in any way

To make a long story longer, eventually DH one day suddenly owned up to the fact that he was very much interested in me, and didn't want just to date casually, there was no other woman he wanted in his life and he cared about me much more than he had been willing to let on

We then entered a committed relationship, but me still holding back remembering his first 'statement' to me about his priorities

And DH getting more and more frustrated that his feelings and intentions seemed to be one-sided.

Finally one day, while out for a nice dinner, DH completely out of the blue admitted to me that I was "front and centre" in his mind, and that he was afraid he loved me 'even more than his children' and he really really wanted to know if it was the same for me

Sooooo, my point in this long rambling story is NOT to let that man dictate to you how it will be, but accomplish this by letting him eat his own words!

If his daughter is his priority, then let it be!

Get on with your life and definitely give your DH a taste of his own medicine. Make sure you have many other priorities other than him, and don't back down.

Don't vacation with your DH and his daughter - let them go on their own - and you go and have the time of YOUR life without them.

If your DH does not change, then it wasn't meant to be and simply move on.

But, if you do really matter to him then hopefully once he sees it works both ways, maybe he'll smarten up and treat you respectfully.

redfox766's picture

Love this - what a wonderful reaction to this bullshit. It cuts right to the chase. Go girl!

Tater salad's picture

So first off, skimming over everything, a lot of talk about him being a man and controlling by using his daughter as a excuse.
I had first had this issue with my now wife from the get-go. She said, "I'm a mother now (we were together long ago when we were younger)... my daughter comes first". I thought, "That sucks." in my head, but had pined for so long I swallowed it at the time.
Time went on and I saw what "comes first" meant. If she and I had a day off but there was a school play... she was going to the play. At first it was even, if SD wanted ____ for dinner, we'd get ____ for dinner. (keeping in mind SD's taste in food is literally the opposite of mine) The school thing sucked, but I was willing to go along for the most part... the dinner thing, no-go for me. Here is what I did...
I stopped ordering anything at all if it was a place I was settling for. If dinner was at home and it was a meal I hated, I'm 34. I didn't eat it. I'd go run to get a burger. After a few times doing this, my wife said, "Why don't you eat with us?" in a inviting tone. I would answer something to the effect of, "I don't like ____. I thought you knew, since you didn't ask." And BAM! I started getting a vote. The SDs favorite meal is spaghetti, which is literally my least favorite meal ever. I rather drink broth alone as a meal. Back before it was spaghetti every week... now it is maybe once a month or so and the wife is trying new recipes to make everyone happy.
This dinner thing is just one part of it, but I ironed most of this "comes first" crap out in the first year. Some things I understand are important to her or the SD, but other times I think it is 1) guilt driven - from the divorce 2) fear driven - that they won't be the favorite parent 3) habit driven - that they were used to being "just them" before us Steps came along.
Just be honest. I tell my wife when I think she is trying to be a disney parent. I call her on it. If you are calm and polite, they tend to listen.

Secondly... at 6, she has no clue what she wants and there are actual studies that suggest giving a child that much choice that young creates anxiety. Maybe find a article saying that and just reading it in a non-confrontational tone out loud like it almost surprises you will help too. No one ever responds if they are put on the defense. That is the biggest key.

Icy's picture

I hear all the time of husbands telling their new wives this, and it is a very stupid move on their part, IMO. Even if that is the way they feel deep down, they need to zip it, keep it to themselves, because statements like that really hurt and only serve to divide the family. I like your analogy of feeling like a queen makes you more likely to treat SD like a princess, might share that with your guy too if you have not already.

I think I knew that my husband was the one when he said to me (in private), "You are the most important thing in my life". As the most important thing in his life, I am well aware that many times we need to put his kids needs as priority. But I am the one who will be here with him for the next 30-40 years, and he was smart enough to know that by making me feel important, he paved the way for smoother sailing with the kids because I never question that I am his number one.

Adults should, and generally do know, that many times in relationships with people that have children, the kids needs trump the adults. They should not have to be told mean things about their "place" in the family to get that point across. I am not sure what advice to give on this one, other than having a chat with him about 1) It is really painful to hear it, even if it is true, and 2) Is it really true or something he is regurgitating because he thinks it makes him sound like a better dad, or he thinks you are not smart enough to make the kid a priority unless he spells it out for you in that obnoxious manner? If it is really true, then maybe he should search for a woman he feels is worthy of the number one position in the home, and you should seek a relationship where you are number one, or at least treated in a respectful manner that makes you feel like you are. He should not settle anything less IMO, and neither should you.

Rags's picture

"My partner uses every opportunity he can find to tell me his daughter is his first priority" and he is still your partner why exactly? What is there to think through? Why would you commit yourself to a man who has repeatedly informed you that you are not his priority? :? :jawdrop: :sick:

Kids should never be the first priority for anyone in an equity life partnership/marriage. Ever. Kids will always be the first responsibility but should never take precidence over the marriage and the SO.

People in successful long term relationships don't seem to struggle with this unequivocal fact.

Since he will not ever make you his priority you must make yourself your priority. Move on, find a partner with clarity on this issue and who will never put anything as a priority over you and his relationship with you.

Par for the course seems to be that toxic helicopter Disney parents like your SO will never allow their SO to be the priority over their special golden crotch droppings.

Take care of yourself. This prick won't take care of you.

surfchica's picture

Wow. This is a great post with great responses! And all of it so true. Your hands are tied if your spouse, either by words or actions, makes it clear that you play second fiddle. My train wreck marriage is a testament to this. Same issue. SD comes first and I heard many times " I will always take her side".
Here is the translation just as food for thought and it relates to the issue of "priorities":
YOU ARE LESS THAN.
I DON"T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS.
EVEN IF I DID CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, SD's FEELINGS COME FIRST.
MY FEELINGS, NEEDS AND WANTS AND THOSE OF MY CHILD COME BEFORE YOU AND OUR MARRIAGE.
YOU ARE HERE TO BE USED.
YOU ARE TO SERVE ME AND MY CHILD.
YOU ARE A SUCKER....NOW SUCK MY &*R&
WE WILL USE YOU AS LONG AS YOU LET US.
YOU ARE LUCKY TO BE LOVED. SUCK UP THE REST OF IT.
I think if so many of us that are going through this actually write down these things it might wake us up.

ajp1999's picture

I'm sorry but this type of relationship will never work. These type of men need to just date casually and NOT have a serious partner. When you have a serious partner and/or are married that person has to come first NOT the kids. Kids basic needs only come first otherwise they come after your partner. This is a no brainer for most people, but a lot of these men are guilty over their divorce.

I did not date for many years when my child was young because I wanted to focus on her only and that's what I did. It's not fair to bring a significant other into a scenario where they are not going to be a priority.....

Rags's picture

Then your "parter" is no partner at all. You should be the priority for your partner... PERIOD!

The kid should be his top priority but you should be THE only priority.