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wittywoman's picture

My BF's oldest(SS7) is currently going through his first communion with his school. Through this there has been one church gathering so far and a big "to do" one in May. (I am not Catholic so do not really understand these but nonetheless support skid in doing what he has to do). The past one in November I was not invited to go to, BF doesn't think I should attend any function related to the children until his divorce is final. He told me that BM, the 2 kids, himself, her parents and his parents all sat together during this church gathering.
Please tell me how you would feel about this. Thanks for your input.

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BorBor's picture

I think a couple of things, first how long have you been together?
If his divorce is not final, it may been that the sepaeration may be recent.

My ex moved out the same year that my daughter made her communion. The day of her communion we all sat together, reason being that she is still young, and we wanted to impress on her that we did not hate each other, and we were both there for her on her special day. We did not want her looking around the room for her parents. Her family was in that row,
Mind you if I was dating someone at that time, it would really be important to me where that relationship stood before I let him attend a event like this. I would not want my daughter going thru boyfriends. or being upset on this day.
If the divorce is not final and the committment level to each other is not quite clear, I would wait without a problem

Hanny's picture

I think that if this kind of thing is bothering you already...you might want to think long and hard about getting into a relationship with anyone with kids. There will be many many times that this will happen - before and after (and if) you get married. I do agree with him, until divorce is final...I'd hang loose for a while.

Really-ImTrying's picture

First, as a SM, I would always be there to support my SD. When BM and I have disagreements, I always ask SD what she wants and I honor that. If DH and I have disagreements about SD I will ask SD what she wants and talk it over with DH. If we still don't agree, I will respect his decision and do as he asks, because he is generally pretty reasonable. That being said, I waited to be involved in a lot of things until I was married to DH (or at least getting pretty close to that point - after about 3 years of dating).

Second, as a BM, it depends on how long they've been separated, how involved you have been in his life before now, etc. If they just separated and you don't really know the child well I would say it is not your place (no disrespect intended at all, I'm only thinking of the child). This is a big day for him and I'm sure none of you want to taint it if your presence will make everyone uncomfortable. And you can still take him out to dinner or something to make him feel special.

They are not yet divorced, so I would imagine this is all pretty fresh and raw right now. Keep in mind that bioparents (the good ones at least!) have to balance the new relationship with what is best for the kids. My kids have a SM and I am a SM and I can tell you that this is HARD!! Sometimes the most loving thing a SM can do is back out gracefully. Now, that is all assuming this is a relatively new separation. If they been apart for 5 years and you've been a regular part of SS's life for 4 years or something, then they need to grow up and let you be an active participant in his life.

How long have they been separated and how long have you been in the picture?

BorBor's picture

Have you been present in the skids lives for the past 2 years, are they familiar with you and comfortable?

2.5 years, what was the hold up for the divorce?

wittywoman's picture

Hold up for divorce.... they can't come to an agreement both are happy with so neither will sign.

The children have been living with us for over a year, split agreement.

SM#1's picture

I don't understand why your H does not think you should. So the exW has not moved on, thats her issue not his. By having you there it does not rub in her face that he has moved on.

I would ask your SS in your H presence if he wants you there, if he says yes then say "Great I would love to be there"

And with split families ( I am Catholic and my SD did this 2 1/2 years ago) you sit in separate rows. One set of parents BM/SF/grandparents in one row, and BF/SM/grandparents in the row behind, or vice versa. Your SS can sit at the end of which ever row he would like. There is a point in the ceremony where they ask that the parents come up with the child. So then just the BM and BF go up with SS. It just takes a minute, no big deal.

Its a great ceremony and a big deal for the children. I went and my H and I sat behind BM and her now H. We don't talk and have not gotten along in a while but we just sat. No need to converse at all.

BorBor's picture

Well if you guys live together for over a year, yes I think you should go to the Communion. You have taken care of the child half of the time.

you are a part of the child life, talk to DH, tell him that you are part of this family, If he doesnt want you to go, he is really not committing to you.
I would take a good look at the relationship, stuff like this is going to come up for years, and you certainly dont want to do it with BF not supporting you.
Good Luck

Really-ImTrying's picture

Which family does he want? He can't have it both ways. Either you are involved in his life or not. I don't think you are out of line to expect to attend and sit with your BF.

Like it or not, these are the families we chose. Mine includes 2 kids, a skid, a DH, an XH, a SM, a BM and ALLLLL their grandparents.

Just this weekend, my kids led music at our church service. I sat with my DH, DH's parents, my mom, my dad and SM, my XH's parents, and my kids SM's parents. The only one not in attendance was DH's XW but only because she had other plans and my XH and his wife because they were out of town. One big happy family, right?! Wink

sam's picture

how hurtful that would be i think that you should be able to go you have been in this childs life already and your not a secret does he feel ashamed or is it bm that is kicking up a fuss?

betterman's picture

Emotionally attached?
They still are attached. Plain and simple. That action is NOT attached for the
child. That action is attached to each other. There is a diff.
You should have been invited at least so you can make up your own mind to go.

Anon2009's picture

I've got to be honest. When I was growing up, I could really care less if my SM was at my events or not. I know every relationship is different, so this might not be the case with you and your skids. They might want you there but just don't want to upset BM. The people I wanted there the most were my mom, dad and grandparents. Don't get me wrong- I was always polite to my SM. My parents didn't sit right next to each other, but all of my family always sat in the same row. My SM did come to a lot of my events, and I always politely acknowledged her (and still do). But there were some she didn't come to, and that was A-OK with me. Whenever my SM and mom were both at events for me, my mom would politely acknowledge her. She wasn't friendly to her, but she was civil. I think civility is all that is required on everyone's parts.

As a SM who now gets along well with her SDs, they've invited me to things. BM never shows up at any of their events- she always is getting together with friends or doing things that are, in her mind, more important than being there for her kids Sad If it's something big, like a piano recital, awards ceremony, or something to that effect, I'll go, because they've told me they want me at the major things Smile but if it's something smaller and I can't make it because of other plans or work, I don't go. They understand. My DH, however, always goes. He gets a lot of joy in seeing how his kids have grown in the activities they participate in.

Maybe you and your DH could come up with a compromise. You both go to the skid event, but don't sit next to BM. However, don't sit far away enough from her so that the skid whose event you're going to is looking all over the room filled with people for you. Maybe you could sit a row or two behind her, and let your skid know where you'll be sitting in advance. If BM has her family there, then hopefully she will at least be nice to you in front of them to avoid embarrassing herself in front of her family. Then when the event is over, go give your skid a hug and tell them how great they were and how proud of them you are. If your DH wants to go say hi to BM and her family for the sake of the skids- fine. But by being there, you'll have conveyed an important message to everyone- that I am also a member of this family now and you need to accept it. As far as respect from the skids goes, it also relays the Principlist's message that "you don't have to love me, you don't even have to like me, but you WILL RESPECT me." You're their father's wife- they need to treat you with civility and respect. If you decide to go to these events, your DH should give BM some advance notice, so that way she can have some time to calm herself down and come to terms with it, and he should say you're not trying to replace her in any way as the mom, but remind her that you do a lot for the kids when they're with you and make sure they know they're loved. and hopefully by doing that and conveying that you're not trying to replace her, it will help her to at least make nice to you. He should also add that, "I know the parents of our kids' friends, the kids' friends, their teachers, coaches, and both of our families would be there, and I think it would be in the best interest of everyone there that we get along and be civil. I know it will be a really great event and am really looking forward to seeing the kids in it, and am so beyond proud of them. For the sake of everyone there I think it would be best if we are all adults about it and just focus on how great our kids are doing and what a wonderful event it is."

Or, you might want to give the skids some say in it too. Of course, they shouldn't have the final say, but they can have some input. They might be happy with the way things are. If there's going to be a change in this issue (you start going to events), give them several chances to express their feelings about it, but let them know they're not making the final decision- the adults do that. If, in the end, the final decision is that things stay the way they are, know in your mind that the only reason he's going is for his kids. He has an obligation to them to be there for them. Also, think of it this way: if you don't go, it's one more time you don't have to see the awful BM and that will make things peaceful for you. Maybe a compromise is that DH could quietly exit for a minute and go out in the hall and give you a call. Then after the event is done, he could pull the skids aside for a few minutes, call you again and have them say hi to you. That way, he's killing two birds with one stone- he's being there for them but also acknowledging you. Maybe when he goes, he could sit next to one of BM's parents or his family. That way, he's still sitting in the same row as her and the skids don't have to look all over creation for him, but he's not sitting next to BM.

If in any way you sense that what I said above (about the skids wanting you there too but not wanting to upset BM), have your DH talk about it with them. They might feel a little more comfortable talking to just him about it. He can tell them, "this is your event, your time in the spotlight, and you have the right to have everyone and anyone you want there. If you are uncomfortable about this situation in any way or just want to talk about it, you can always come to me. I love you more than you will ever know, and words can't express how proud I am of you."

Whatever you decide to do, know that you're the bigger person and just continue to be emotionally there for and support your DH and skids. I'm sorry this is so long- I just wanted to present some options and my perspective as both a SD and SM.

wittywoman's picture

everyone's opinion. It is hard to know how to feel about situations as such. I try to keep a level head about it. I know in time it is only likely to get easier (so I hope). Although I can not even attempt to imagine sitting with BM and her family, maybe when pigs fly.

lil_teapot's picture

i am telling u from my heart that i have been in a similar situation with my fh. i could literally have written ur post because it's so similar.
initially i was really angry at those kinds of things u've described...but over time, as our relationship developed, i've gotten to understand things better. I still doubted myself and sometimes still do...maybe he wants the ex back, maybe she's not done, whatever...i have those bad feelings even today. But what's helpful is that our counselor also is the skid's counselor...so he knows bm and my fh...and he has been able to throw his 2 cents in about their relationship. he really has been able to put my mind at ease as far as my fh and the bm hooking up again or doing something like that. but nobody can speak for the bm...who knows what her motives are...i don't trust this one as far as i could chuck her stanky little ass.
like hanny said, you should really think long and hard about ur relationship because it is goign to be a very difficult path because of the ties that bind...and still aren't fully broken. whatever u do, just make sure u watch out for u and take care of urself.

Angel's picture

I wouldn't want to be there if he wasn't officially divorced. I wouldn't want it for my kids either.

Once he's divorced & married to you, he'll include you.

lizdel's picture

I think you should be there. If you are good enough to care of his child, then you are good enough to be taken to the communion. Divorce is just a paper, his life started when you and him made a home together. He is being hurtful and inconsiderate and so are all the relatives he sat with in a previous cermony. Would he be accepting if you did the same??? I am sure he would not. Mothering is a hard job, especially when the children are not your own. HE should be PROUD to have you sitting next to him at the communion! I am sure you are feeling very hurt over this but stay strong and believe that you are not expecting too much by wanting to be there. You deserve it.

sweetthing's picture

the first was the toughest, we were not married yet but were getting married in two months & I had just lost a baby. DH's parents still weren't comfortable with us & we were surrounded by BM's family. I went, I was delightful and it sucked, but I put on a great face.

The second was much easier. We were married, we have our own son now, I have a great relationship of my own with my in laws and this time my parents were invited by BM. DH said it was really wierd to see his former FIL hanging out with his current FIL ( and they got along pretty well )

Both times we sat in the same pew as BM ( Dh sits next to her and I am on the other side) We are not catholic ( luthern) so this is her deal, after wards we go to her house for the party.

We put on a pretty good front for the kids and I figure I only have to do this again for confirmation, graduation and their weddings (6 more times)

I think you should go, it won't be easy but it will make the kids feel good. He should be glad that you want to support his kids.

LizzieA's picture

My DH is a devout Catholic, too--in fact, he won't go to communion until his first marriage is annulled and we are "official."

But--once he and BM were in the divorce process and he had informed her about me, I attended church with him. Easter, Christmas, etc. We're a little different, the teen SKs don't live with us.

So...have you gone to that church with him? If not, sounds like a bunch of baggage to me. And semantics. No, the divorce is not final but he is "living in sin" with you and you are taking care of his kids! Who is he trying to impress? The priest? The other church members? (most of which are divorced I bet) Himself? (denial big time)

Is BM likely to cause a scene? Love these men who allow HER to dictate their lives, and always it's "about the kids." HA.