My Husbands 11 yr old daughter wants to be treated like a girl friend ... Is this inappropriate and what can I do?
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My new husband of 4 months daughter tells me dont kiss him or hug him he is my daddy.
In public when we go out with my other two kids, his 11 and us she takes his hand and walks 3 ft ahead of us excluding me.
When were watching tv, she wont let me sit by him, he puts his hand on her thigh, or around her or holds hands with her. Again makes it impossible for me to sit near him.
She has demanded a few times to lay in bed with him and watch tv.
She has demanded isolated visitation of just him and her.
She wants him to get her up in the morning and wash and brush her hair.
She has blatantly refused to participate in her 50/50 visitation until he gets rid of me because I have taken him away from her. It used to be him and her ( 1 1/2 yrs he was married previously ) and now she has to share him with a new family.
She lies and says I am mean, or that i yell or that I dont feed her or help her with her homework.
She has been living with her mom for two months and is coming home again this Friday, i am so scared.
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Don't be scared. She's just
Don't be scared. She's just a child who needs to be taught her place.
agreed but he is encouraging
agreed but he is encouraging her not teaching her!
She has alot of power she is blood I am just a vow
Then you see the problem, and
Then you see the problem, and you see the future, and it will not change unless he makes it change. There are many, many posts on this site about the very same issue.
I recently started declining
I recently started declining family outings for the same reason. I told him it's no fun to go out "as a family" when it turns into a daddy/daughter date and I get to walk three feet behind him with his other two girls while they walk hand-in-hand and he dotes on her. The best part is how she continulously looks back over her shoulder smiling triumphantly, making sure I see that she has him. Then he tries to slow down and grab my hand with his free one. Um, no. I am not walking three abreast with you and your obnoxious kid who is as tall as me and has bigger boobs through crowded areas like some idiot. He's finally trying to put a stop to it but it's still occurring to some degree.
catmom, i love how you
catmom, i love how you articulate this:
"Then he finally admitted he was "just trying to make everyone happy". WRONG. He was trying to make his kid happy, at my expense."
I've been trying to come up with a response to "I feel like I'm being pulled in two directions, and trying to make everyone happy." and you gave it to me. Mind you it would go over like a lead balloon, but it's the truth.
I sometimes wonder if SO is a little flattered to have SS16 competing for him. SO's two daughters won't speak to him because of PAS.
I really think SS doesn't understand the difference between my relationship with SO and SS' relationship with his dad. I think SS kind of wants to date his dad. That's messed up but SS is so clingy and doesn't like me getting in the way of his access to his dad.
Did you not see the writing
Did you not see the writing on the wall before you got into this marriage. Wasn't she doing this prior to your getting married. This should have been addressed by your DH before you got married. This is your DH's fault, it is up to him to put her in her place and if he is not willing there isn't much you can do about it. What have you said to him about it? Have you told him it is inappropriate for him to ahve this behavior with her, especially now that he is married. If he doesn't address it, it won't get any better, only worse! Sorry.
no I am afraid he will think
no I am afraid he will think I am being jealous that is what he says when she demands the one on one dates. Gives me excuses that she never gets to see him and used to have him all to herself. It used to me just them and I am trying to divide them Its sickening. the other night when he sat by her and was petting her I left took a bubble bath. He came up later and said why did you leave? Is it because you couldnt sit by me?
I said no. He knows it was
I did see it before I got
I did see it before I got married and thought hmmm I have no say I am just the girlfriend. I thought marriage was my security blanket the choosing part the commitment, honor love until death do us part. The other adult with power, the step parent. Ha jokes on me. I feel more like if I say anything he will choose and I will be in divorce court, walking away up rooting my poor kids. I cant keep swallowing though its giving me an ulcer and I am getting depressed and hopeless. I keep trying to ignore it so many people have said, ignore it you cant fix it, its not your problem your just his wife. She comes back to live with us again this friday for 7 days. She left two months ago because she didnt want to follow the rules. He said he would do anything to get her back. Now she is coming back. no rules no plan. I am so flippin worried because he will never be home and I have to deal with her and be bossed and ordered and live in fear that she might lie and say she is mean and then I am gone.
Stick it to your dh. Tell
Stick it to your dh. Tell him to get his daughter's shit in line or get to stepping. Because, clearly, he is headed for some sick times ahead. Does he not see how odd this is? She's 11. Not two. Boundaries need to be drawn with young girls. Even if she is his daughter.
he thinks of her as a baby
he thinks of her as a baby
I know, right? How ridiculous
I know, right? How ridiculous can they be? Until last weekend when I said something, my DH actually cut up my sd11's pancake in the restaurant. Puh-lease.
yep he cuts her steak
yep he cuts her steak
Ok please don't take this the
Ok please don't take this the wrong way and I don't want drama. But its hard for older kids to understand parents splitting up. She probably feels that you are going to take her dad away from her, which in reality you clearly wouldn't do that. You need to insure her that you are not there to do that. He should as well be talking to her to not treat you like that because it is unacceptable, but sometimes its hard for parents to want to do that when they as well are scared that maybe they will lose their child if they don't make them happy. Maybe you should talk to her one on one and spend more time with her away from him to really get to know her and her to get to know you better. Just remember at the end of the day that is his daughter and he is stuck between a rock and a hard place because you both mean so much to him. I hope you guys are able to work things out for the best!!!
I would agree with you here
I would agree with you here expect that my SD was 3 days old when DH left her BM. She is 12 and does this type of shit all the time. So I don't think it's because she feels I took her daddy, I think it's just because she feels SHE is HIS baby girl and SHE is more important than me who is just a "vow."
It used to bother me a lot more than it does now. He hardly sees her, so I let them be all cuddly when she's over. They lay and watch tv together. She holds his hand. I'm very touchy feely with my 15 y/o son and there's nothing incestual about it. I love my son, I am astonished at how much he's grown. I rub my hands up and down his back as if he were 5. He'll shake me off and say "OMG MOM stop touching me you're so WEIRD!" LOL...It's a parents love. We're ridiculous sometimes.
I know her well 1 1/2 yrs and
I know her well 1 1/2 yrs and we lived together 1 yr I am her sole care taker he is never here. She knows me well. Most of the time sits near me, holds my hand, text me when she isnt here. She also lies about me and says I am mean when he isnt here so he will get rid of me. When her and I went to get something to eat she refused to order since it was to go. Then told him I wouldnt feed her. He got mad at me. Finally he found out two days later she admitted she lied! She does it all the time. Claims he takes my side to divide us. Tells him she wants one on one without me or my kids to divide. He picked her up from school at her request one day when he got off early. Then asked her if she wanted to go shopping to use her gift certificate and did she want to take me and my daughter. WHY WOULD YOU ASK AN 11 YR OLD FOR F ING PERMISSION? SHE CALLS THE SHOTS/
ummm really emotional/covert
ummm really emotional/covert incest because he is showing his daughter attention??? I think not and that's going a little too far. I think he is a father stuck between his daughter and wife. Kids should always come first no matter what!! You have to understand that she just may not feel comfortable enough around you yet. I do agree she needs to not be so demanding and daddy needs to step up and control that before it completely gets out of hand, but put yourself in her shoes. She is doing everything she possibly can to get you out of their lives and that's why you need to step up and prove to her you are there because you love HER and her dad because they are a packaged deal. Just think if it was your parents that had split up and now your dad has a new lover, it would be hard to understand at such a young age.
I so totally disagree. YOU
I so totally disagree. YOU should be his priority, not his kid. And putting a kid "first" does not mean she gets to be in your rightful place as dh's wife. It means the two of you together make decision that are good for the kid. Giving her the kind of power she is getting is NOT healthy for her and it certainly isn't healthy for you.
My ex husband never acted
My ex husband never acted like that towards my kids. He does have a new lover. Actually my new husband was remarried to someone before me for 4 yrs. She already saw him with another woman and then he had two long term girlfriends too. Parents were divorced when she was 4. She is doing it on purpose came straight out to him and said... I DONT WANT TO SHARE YOU WITH HER GET RID OF HER OR I AM NOT COMING BACK.
AnaR- I agree to a point. Any
AnaR- I agree to a point. Any need my child or so child has will always come first, I guess its just how I am. But demands hell no, never. A kid should never demand anything from an adult, regardless if its a parent or just an adult in general. And no he shouldn't feel stuck between the child and wife but I bet he is. Its hard especially when your coming from a split home. That's why he does need to step up and discipline her as needed. That's why I had mentioned maybe the daughter and wife spending one on one time together so maybe they can just talk and really get to know one another. This way the daughter can get to know her step mom and know she isn't there to take the roll of her mother away but she is there as another person who cares for her. Someone she can still trust and turn too when needed. Idk if it makes sense as we all will have different views but I just hope for the sake of the daughter they can get things resolved before she gets way too out of hand
Vows should count as much as
Vows should count as much as blood. The fact that he is inbetween us means something is wrong.
He is not her father first. He is my husband and mate and she is an extension of us as well as my kids.
Its not a most important game. Pull the family apart game.
MY HUSBAND IS A HUSBAND, A FATHER, A WORKER... ALL ARE EQUALLY IMPORTANT YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THESE. ITS NOT HEALTHY OR NORMAL
The problem isn't the
The problem isn't the kid.....it's the permissive parenting of her father.
Your DH is allowing her to dictate the terms of your marriage.
He has to nip it in the bud or the behavior will continue, no matter what you do.
YOUR RIGHT... SO HOW DO I
YOUR RIGHT... SO HOW DO I BREAK IT TO HIM THAT THEY ARE INAPPROPRIATE? HE IS GOING TO FLIP. HE WONT GET IT HE THINKS SHE IS 6. SHE IS 11 AND WEARS SIZE 6X SHE IS TINY AND HE TREATS HER VERY BABISH. THINKS HE HAS TO WAKE HER UP FOR SCHOOL, WASH HER HAIR CUZ ITS SO LONG AND COMB IT BECAUSE SHE CANT DO IT. HE USED TO BRING HER TO HIS BED BEFORE I CAME ALONG, SAID IT WAS EASIER. BEFORE THAT THEY SLEPT IN THE SAME BED WITH A DIVIDER OF PILLOWS AND SHE KEPT HER CLOTHES AND TOOTH BRUSH IN HIS ROOM! I stopped all the 1 yr ago when i moved in mind you she was 9 he would pick her up out of bed undress her and put her in the fing shower! then dress her. i am not kidding
Bfs daughter never did
Bfs daughter never did anything as drastic as some others here, but she would push between us when we cooking or talking as adults. It happened twice. The next time bf was cooking I told her to go help him, in fact I moved her to be closer to him, right between us. She hasn't done it again. If you allow it or wait for it to happen, if you do something first you take that power from the child.
sunflower is right. Im sorry
sunflower is right. Im sorry but you couldn't have gone into this relationship thinking his daughter was just going to accept you with open arms. You have to show her who is boss without making her feel bad or cutting her down where she thinks you don't like her. Im sorry to say but she feels threatened by you, idk what people don't understand that. Kids don't deal with change very well. She is use to mommy and daddy being together and its hard for her to come with terms that daddy has someone new in his life that is not her mother! Let her feel included in the things you guys do and don't let her tantrums or attitude effect it, because she feeds off of that. Please don't take anything wrong with what im saying. I truly don't know your situation and Im sure you are a wonderful person just going thru some of life's tricky obstacles, but hang in there, things are usually hard before they get easy!
I like sunflower and
I like sunflower and baseball's posts. Now I have to think about how to beat SS to the punch, as sunflower recommends, and as baseball recommends, how to show them who's boss without making them feel bad.
It will be challenging, but I'm going to keep these tips in mindand try to apply them to my situation.
Thank you!
Thanks Onefoot, I wish I
Thanks Onefoot, I wish I could take credit for it. It was my mom's idea. The point is to not let them see it bugs you, and it takes the wind out of their sails to put them there first. Then they don't want to be in the middle, because that's were they think you want them.
I have been dealing with
I have been dealing with similar behavior from sd11 since last October when I moved in with DH. It took me this long to get up the nerve to say something. Don't let it go so long that you are ready to explode like I am. I finally had a talk with DH and told him how excluded and awkward it made me feel when she takes my physical place as his wife. My DH is doing much better...sitting with me at restaurants, walking beside ME at the store, etc. but he still struggles (you can read about it on my blog covering last weekend.)
I have decided I will have ZERO tolerance for ANYONE taking my place anymore, but rather I will remove myself from the situation. If he sits next to her in the restaurant, I will leave. If he walks off with her in the store and leaves me to straggle along behind, I will walk in the opposite direction (while calling my son to come pick me up). I am DONE with feeling like the 3rd wheel and hubby is well aware of this.
So far my situation has improved drastically. I hope yours will, too.
Omg...this is me! Omg. Its
Omg...this is me! Omg. Its contagious
Omg...this is me! Omg. Its
Omg...this is me! Omg. Its contagious
Any psychiatrist would tell
Any psychiatrist would tell you that the wife or husband come first, then the kids. It's the same whether it is your first marriage or second. Your spouse comes first. That is if you want to have a good marriage. If you put your child before your spouse someday when that child is grown and out of the house you are going to look across that table and wonder 'what the hell am I doing with this person and who is this'. You will have grown completely apart. Take it from someone who has experienced this.
your right!
your right!
It's hugely inappropriate but
It's hugely inappropriate but it's like in their minds their clinging on to having a little child to care for but it's wrong and damaging to everyone involved! If I knew how to break the cycle I would tell you . DH treats ss14 like a baby and it makes my skin crawl....If I Try to cuddle my 13 or 15 year old girls they tell me to stop babying them and that is normal. I feel for so much because that is how they relate and it's like breaking a very unhealthy habit
Next time he does this in
Next time he does this in public - walk away. Turn around, Find the closest man in sight & go talk to him. I don't care if you ask the time - weather - complement his shirt whatever. DH will catch on real quick if I don't pay attention to her, she will find it elsewhere.
If she takes you spot on the couch - walk out the door. Do not say a word - DO NOT collect your phone - keep your keys in your pocket if you have to - just go.
When id is baffled why you left without saying anything - give him the biggest megawatt smile & tell him when you were just so occupied with SD I didn't want to disturb you. Do not answer questions about where you went - oh just around, ya know...
Best of luck
Awesome that is what I need
Awesome that is what I need TOOLS ..what to say and do
You know when I think about
You know when I think about it, I know he doesnt get the perspective because if he did he would not do it. I dont know how to get him to see the picture because when I bring stuff up he builds a wall and doesnt hear me! He loves me to pieces and just fluffs off the oh your jealous. That makes it not be about her or him! I know that I am the blame then.
Last week he had a day off and said I need to pick up my daughter from school. Then he asked me if a certain store was in our mall bcuz we just bought her a gift card. I relied yes.
So when it was time to get her I was getting ready bcuz I thought we were doing it together. Duh pick up his and then my daughter is on the way home minutes apart. He told me that I was putting pressure on him making him decide between his own blood and making him choose between us. Since she asked him to pick her up and she missed him. Remember I have the perspective that she is out to sabotage my marriage as she stated that is her clear intent. I got so pissed and said wow that hurts, Iam not trying to make you choose or divide, NO I am trying to build a family why cant I come we get both kids and all go. He said he would ask her.I told him that fine we need counseling or this is not going to work!i WONT BE THREATENED ABOUT HIS BLOOD RELATION OF IMPORTANCE MADE ME FEEL SO WORTHLESS AND UNIMPORTANT. I was so upset. Clearly I am taking a back seat position. He doesnt know what to do and feels torn, she misses him alone.
He asked her if she wanted us to come. I shouldnt of went, because I felt like the child. Mommy said I get to go. Who is the wife? Where are my rights? Vows don't count against blood. I had no idea I was not going to have any power against a 11 yr old when I married him. I knew she was a brat and thought if I was married I wouldn't be vulnerable after-all I would be the wife. I feel like the girlfriend a step from the curve. i AM NOW SO AFRAID TO SAY ANYTHING OR STICK UP FOR MYSELF THAT I AM GETTING THERAPY AND I AM AFRAID I AM GOING TO GET DIVORCED AGAIN! I am not a subservient woman I am strong and never let people walk over me. I am so scared. I told him later that night he has to go to counseling if he wants to stay married that I am scared he told me to stop being so insecure and see if from her shoes. OMG
Sometimes we need to fight
Sometimes we need to fight fire with fire... he needs to KNOW you will not take a back seat to his daughter not be told - which let's be honest most men don't listen to us anyways. Try walking away - it will work. Keep us updated !
It's a classic separated
It's a classic separated parent mistake to let the child sleep in their bed, without considering how the child will feel when they meet a new partner and are suddenly and literally replaced in the bed. It sets up any new partner for hostility and jockeying for physical closeness to the parent. And is totally the parents fault and responsibility. That combined with the fact that a lot of Dads struggle with the idea of pushing their child away is a recipe for disaster.
I've done the walking several paces behind while stepchildren cling to Daddy's hand thing. It was sad and uncomfortable. It's a problem that really requires a directness and emotional honesty that a lot of men lack, combined with consistency. Really he needs to sit down with SD, talk about how things have changed, reassure her, and talk about what is appropriate as she gets older. Then have a regular bit of dad and daughter time to neutralise resentment, and be affectionate but gently extricate himself from inappropriate intimacy until she gets the message.
Maybe try putting it to DH that you're concerned that SD's clinginess may be a sign she is feeling insecure, and that pandering to it is probably encouraging her to feel competitive. Then talk about what WE can do to make her feel happier and more independent.
it is even worse when mini
it is even worse when mini wife goes on a date with DH.