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Am I justified in continuing to disengage?

tryingjusttrying's picture

Hi all, I'm posting a lot because I feel my situation has been dynamic and I've been needing insight. I have posted about how my SS's friends all went away to college, and he has changed. I searched 'multiple personality disorder' on the internet because the change was that drastic. I think I've settled on the idea that SS has gone through narcissistic collapse, and that his recent, more docile behavior has to do with dropping his defenses in order to recalibrate his narrative which would allow him to find newer ways of acquiring narcissistic supply. I always thought his mom was narcissistic, didn't think he was, but there are some tells that suggest this.

Anyway, so before September, SS was disrespectful sometimes in a very hostile way. I disengaged a while ago. Starting in September, he seemed to go into some introverted state, staying in his room, and was super cooperative, wasn't defiant or loud as he usually is. In the last few weeks, he seemed to have regained his ego a bit, and wants his dad's (and maybe my?) constant attention to talk about all the great stuff in his life. He's even made some new friends, apparently. Maybe due to the lack of sheer numbers of people in his life now, instead of walking off and shutting his door to his room whenever I walk into the living room, he just sits there, whether his dad is in the room or not. He lost his job, so he's just been sitting in the living room all day yesterday, and earlier today. But geez, maybe I preferred him holing himself in his room when I was around.

I feel terrible, but I recoil at his presence. It's our bad history, and it's our very different personalities. I don't necessarily want to be an audience to him talking about how "cut" he's going to be, his latest fashion obsessions, his grievances and his simplistic, dull views on things that annoy me. (he's mostly talking to his dad, but I'm in the room). SS will insist that we need to try an app despite it having no bearing in our lives.. SS will go on and on about what he learned from Andrew Tate and Joe Rogan. Nothing inherently wrong with that. But he takes up a lot of space, now literally. Our living room is small, so when SS and the dog are over, the dog takes up half the couch, and SS is now taking up the only other chair. I feel that the entire downstairs becomes SS's domain. I don't feel that I have the right to ask him to stay in his room while he's here. Or do I? I feel like the living room is his or mine? argh.

I feel like i'm possibly on the cusp of something different. Perhaps if I made more of an effort, I could find more ways to connect with SS given that he's lonely and trying to fill a void. But I really don't want to. I freeze and get anxious. Is it bad that I, the stepmom, do not want to forge a deeper bond?

Trudie's picture

Is it bad that I, the stepmom, do not want to forge a deeper bond?

...absolutely! There is a reason for this; he has shown you who he is, you remember, and you believe him. (I believe I remember something about ice-cream...was that you?) Your body is giving you clues, please listen to said clues. He is not only taking up 'physical' space, he is taking up 'mental' space as well.

You ask if you are terrible? No, I truly do not believe you are; the fact that you are asking yourself that question indicates self-awareness. Many kind people want to believe the best about others, give way too many chances, and then personally pay the price. Trust your gut (physical clues) and intuition (mental clues). I believe you mentioned even your DH is pulling away from his constant neediness? There is a reason for that.

Also, your research has given you interesting results....

This makes me think of OSD. Even if she accomplished a 180 degree turn, I know that she will never have a place in my life nor will ever be welcomed in our home. I do not believe she has in in her. A colleague, after doing a case study on OSD, gave her a 3% chance of ever turning her life around. I respect this colleague and I tend to be in agreement.

tryingjusttrying's picture

I don't know if you know that that's the title of a pioneering book on ptsd and Cptsd by van der Kolk. I read it a few times and found it invaluable. I wish I could say that I'm attuned to my body, but when it challenges certain ideals in my mind about good and right, I become conflicted.

Trudie's picture

I know this book well. Great, informative read.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

Listening to Andrew Tate is giving SS (19 i think?) more confidence? Ehh......hmm. Has your SS ever been to any kind of therapy? Young guys with a poor sense of identity are easy marks for the "manosphere" influencers to take their money for online courses on how to be bigger a-holes. If SS doesn't really have any direction in life, he may be trying to take on the persona of the people he watches on the internet, hence the change in personality. I don't blame you for recoiling. This isn't a good direction. 

tryingjusttrying's picture

I like your suggestion  that SS could be adopting personae from the internet. Or perhaps in real life as well.  I've noticed that SS does mirror and mimic certain people, including myself in the past. I've even seen him practice. In middle school, I saw him repeat some phrase to himself as though he was trying to make it more him. I think he collects impressions of these and patches together a convincing facsimile of a self that he presents to the public to convince people he is a cool, nice guy. I think they call this "hive mind" in narcissists. DH's friends who have known SS since he was little said that SS was like Eddie Haskel. The thing about Eddie Haskel is that the self he presents is not genuine. If that's what SS is, I want to be able to stand by my intuition and call it out rather than buy into it. But guilt is always around the corner trying to talk me out of calling SS out. Mostly, the voice says, 'give him a chance. you're not being fair.' Argh.

A few years ago, SS was wearing hoodies and baggy jeans that hung off his butt. Now he's wearing patagonia fleeces and slacks, kind of like the students do in colleges he wants to go to. It's hard to enter into a trusting relationship with someone who you don't even really know.

Rumplestiltskin's picture

He's an adult, you can lose the guilt! Tbh, even if he were a child, you aren't able to just "sprout feelings" for him. Say, in an alternate bizarro universe, you were expected to just sprout feelings for, idk, your best friend's creepy uncle. I mean, she is your friend and she loves him. You should love him and devote your life to him out of loyalty to her. Right? Does that sound hard to do? Why is it harder than making yourself have feelings for a teenager who treats you like shite? 

tryingjusttrying's picture

That is a great thought experiment, and I thought about it quite a bit. It's a helpful exercise to put my feelings of guilt into perspective. But the fact that it's an uncle makes it less of a parallel. I could easily dismiss DH's uncle, but I would have a much harder time dismissing a best friend's child. I've actally had become a trusted friend to severl friends' children, and I would feel guilty if instead, I disliked them and put up a wall. But even then, it would be much easier to manage since I wouldn't have to live with them.

But I do take your point. I mentioned Andrew Tate earlier. If Andrew Tate as a teen became my SS, there is no way in h**l that I would beat myself up for not warming up to him. And there is no way in h**l that anyone would suggest I could do something to get along better and make him a better person. Ss is not Andrew Tate by any means, but I'm trying to disabuse myself of the notion that I have to take SS under my wing just because I married his dad.

Winterglow's picture

How about framing yourself as his father's wife rather than any type of parent to him? From what you have written, it would seem that's how he sees you. 

Trudie's picture

This is the observation I have made...we are often only seen as 'the wife' or 'the husband', not just by the kids but by the family at large. Why is this?

I feel as if I have no identity in my husband's family. I am not Trudie. I am seen as an appendage of my DH. It feels yuck.

Winterglow's picture

I hadn't considered the negative side of that. I'm sorry for not even thinking of it. I can understand how anonymous  and lacking in importance that would make you feel.

I was only suggesting it as a way to lose her feelings of guilt for not being the mother figure she worries that she should be to her SS.

 

Trudie's picture

...apology needed! I did not view this comment negatively, I see it as truthful. I believe you were offering wise advice; that viewpoint might indeed be helpful to put the situation with her SS into perspective. 

As for me, it just brought to mind that this is how I feel. I would imagine others may feel this way too. Maybe to some it is not a big deal. It is to me, although I am working on making it less of a big deal. (I'm shifting gears and realizing that it is on them that they do not try to know me, as I have tried to know them.) I recognize and appreciate people for the individuals they are...we are all unique with dreams, goals, and accomplishments. 

Winterglow's picture

Thank you.

I really hate to cause hurt.

Trudie's picture

...you didn't cause hurt. I appreciate you seeking clarity. I would hope that if someone felt hurt by something I said they would let me know. Like you mentioned, that is never my intent either. The written word can be hard to decipher...no tone, facial expression, or nuance. 

Rags's picture

In support of their mate the partner owes the duty of intolerance for this crap from anyone and everyone why has the error in judgment of perpetrating it.  If they tolerate it, they have failed.

I believe that a much more powerful stance is that... they are our mate, and we are their mate.  That is the one I have always taken with the blended family opposition and with my DW's family.  I'm her husband, she is my wife.  We are a team and they, whoever they may be, is irrelevant in comparison to that.  They overstep at their own risk.

Mommy does not trump that, daddy does not trump that, grandparents, kids, aunts, uncles, etc.... do not trump that. No one does.

IMHO of course.

Maybe this is a waffle brain man thing. Everything and everyone has their little box on the waffle. They stay in that box or ..... they are dealt with directly.  Unlike the fully interconnected bowl of spaghetti noodles that ladies tend to have.  Where everyone and everything matters all of the time and just about everything has some meaning that justifies it.  Waffles are so much simpler.

So, here is to a waffle brained man trying to comprehend the beautiful intriguing complexities that ladies are and deal with.

Not that I have done anything to make this happen, but in my family DW is my parents daughter. No IL suffix to that state according to my parents. She is not their son's wife, she is their daughter, who is married to their son.  She is her, and when mom and dad introduce her to others, she is their daughter and (my first name) is her husband.    She is not Uncle Rags' wife. She is Aunt (First name).  Even my brother calls her his sister.  She is that amazing.  DW

DW's identity is not a battle er have to fight with my own family.  Mom's husband is not a position I have ever been in with my son. 

Waffle brain life is so nice.

Dirol

tryingjusttrying's picture

Men have waffle brains and women are spaghetti. Lol. Thanks for the props, Rags. Complexity can be both good and bad.

tryingjusttrying's picture

That's what I call communication! Thanks for the exchange. Winterglow, that's the type of thinking that has helped me be less in turmoil, and it becomes easier as SS grows into adulthood. There is less the sense that I'm supposed to parent him. As for Trudie's comments, that is what I aspire to. I want to focus more on myself as an individual, and be okay with that. I've spent way too much time in my life prioritizing others and seeing myself in relation to them.

Rags's picture

Nothing more.  "But, they're a kid." is the mantra of misery for many SParents as we try to ignore what our instincts clearly are telling us about .... them.

I often present the "Other than that Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?" perspective when people have the delusion that a person is a good person other than...... Whatever the .... other than... category may be.   Some things are not tolerable and shouldn't be IMHO. If that thing in someone else is detrimental to our peace of mind.

A gut check of "Is that something a good person would do?" makes sense to me. If the answer to that question is a resounding "No!", then the person is not a good person. Can they act as a good person, sure they can. But are they" Is the root question and invariably a "good" person does not do whatever prompted the question in the first place.

If that makes any sense at all.

IMHO of course.

tryingjusttrying's picture

That's awesome, Rags. In my research on narcissism, I learned that narcissists also associate themselves in kid-like terms. When you're a kid, you're presumed innocent, and that lends itself to the logic of victimhood. When you're always a victim, you're never blameworthy or responsible. That is  the reasoning that DH has used to excuse so many bad behaviors in SS. "He's just a kid. When he grows up, he won't do that or at least, I'll call him out on it when he grows up." It excuses the thing in the moment, but that can become an excuse for every moment in perpetuity.

I love the analogy to Mrs. Lincoln. Not all things are equally relevant. If I'm reacting big to something, maybe it's just me being irrational or maybe it's that important. I am working on listening to my own body and feelings more.

ImperfectlyPerfect's picture

Very isnightful and your careful observations do paint a picture of someone who is hollowed on the inside- it really sounds narcissistic, albeit the personality disorders can bleed into one another. 

tryingjusttrying's picture

Yes, I diagnosed SS with borderline personality just a few months ago. lol. I'm not a doctor, but play one on discussion boards.

Rags's picture

Some times it does not take a rocket surgeon to recognize what is is blatantly obvious.

Great job. Doc.

Wink

Rags's picture

Not bad in the least.  Stop regretting that you have a revulsion to his presence. What is terrible is is that his presence is revolting. That is on him.  Never forget his historic behaviors.  He has shown you and told you who and what he is.  A brief reprieve from the shit that he has demonstrated that he is should not make you feel guilty.

Maintain clarity on his historic crap and focus on living your best life. In spite of him and as an example that a life of character and honor is always superior to one of pompous asshole-ish kidult brain fart bullshit.

notsurehowtodeal's picture

Andrew Tate has been charged with rape, human trafficking, and organized crime - so I would say there is something inheritantly wrong your SS learning anything from him. I wouldn'tt engage with him at all once he started talking about Andrew Tate. And rather than sitting around all day, he should be looking for a job. I don't think you need to re-engage with SS and I don't think you should feel badly for not doing so.

tryingjusttrying's picture

Thank you for the feedback and support. I find it difficult to keep perspective. If SS was a colleague or an acquaintance, I would have no problem shutting him out and never engaging him. But I feel like a monster when I cannot conjure up nurturing feelings towards him. It goes against the grain for me to have hard feelings towards a stepSON even if he has been awful to me. So when SS had a softening in his attitude, of course my guilt rears its ugly head to shame me for not sympathizing with this pitiable creature.

For those of you commenting on Andrew Tate. Yes, he's a rapist and a genuine bad guy. None of SS's other friends listen to him, and everyone jokingly makes fun of SS for listening to him. SS plays along by claiming that he doesn't support Andrew Tate's criminal stuff, but 'he has some good points.' I don't think anyone should give him even a minute of their time. I agree with those saying that anyone who could support a guy like that even partially is suspect. Reminder: SS calls his aunt a 'slut' because she said some negative things about him to his mom, and BM being the person she is told SS about it, which lead him to absolutely despise her. It's all kind of messed up. But I am certain that that is the kind of language he uses to describe me too. This type of thing makes it very hard to believe that the docile, weakened person that I've seen in the recent past is the "real" SS.

SS did go to therapy in his freshman year of high school. I don't know how helpful it was. You know how they say that psychopaths get better at being psychopathic with therapy? All I know is that at every meeting the therapist had with his parents, she kept warning them to make sure they enforce boundaries and maintain limits. That he would not 'always get away with it'. I'm not exactly sure what her specific concerns were, but dh and bm did not do as the therapist recommended.

I'm not even a dog person, but now am used to giving up half the couch space to the dog. I don't have a problem with him, though it all adds up to a sense of feeling squeezed in my own home.

ESMOD's picture

How much longer do you feel like your SS is going to be exercising "visitation" with his parents?

Is there any goal for him to launch? get his own place? (or shared apt?)

I don't think you are obligated to forge some "loving bond" with your SS... being civil to someone who spends a good amount of time in your home..  yes.. but no need to try to become his "best friend."  History between you both would seem to make that something not particularly easy.

What I would do would be to enjoy the relative lull in his behavior.. it could be that he IS growing and maturing as a human being.. the raging testosterone is levelizing in him.. he maybe is becoming a "better" person.. but that doesn't mean he has to become "your" person.  

No guilt.. he is your SO's kid.. you can be civil without laying yourself out to be taken advantage of or abused.

The only things I would ever bring up about him to your SO would be how you would love to see him become a happy independent adult.. and encourage your SO to help his son do that.

tryingjusttrying's picture

Thanks Esmod. I appreciate your balanced perspective. It is possible that he is becoming a "better" person. And certainly, his testerone, hormonal stuff is calming down. The uncertainty about whether that is the case and that I'm just drumming up diagnoses to justify my disengagement leads to some turmoil. But this is helpful in that if I can just accept that he doesn't need to be "MY" person no matter what, then I wouldn't have to look for justifications. I could just accept that I'm not obligated to be close to him whether he is "good" or not.

I think that focusing on helping SS become a happy, independent grown up is the right angle to take, and one that dh and I both can get on board with!

Trudie's picture

to your body. Listen to your mind. They are both telling you something. You are right, you should not have to "conjure" up positive feelings for SS...you are doing this because he has shown you, time and time again, the negative within him. I generally like people. Until they give me a reason not to. (I bet you may be like this too!) The severity of the reason not to like them dictates my response. The clues people give help to keep us safe, whether physically or emotionally. Do not ignore clues!

I would also bear in mind the warnings from his therapist. Warnings not heeded by his parents.... It has not helped that they didn't see fit to keep him in check. This can lead to entitlement, among other things. Do not be fooled by a wolf in sheep's clothing! (Also, where is he getting the money for Patagonia? It is not an inexpensive line.)

Does SS clean up after his dog? Yard, furniture, carpet? YSD used to expect us to watch her dog if she went out for the evening. I am an animal lover. I did not like this dog, even though it liked me. It stunk and urinated all over the house, no matter how many times (hourly!) it was let out outside to do it's business. It even stayed over night with us. I initiated a systematic approach to stop the dog sitting...pronto! "DH, we need room in this closet. I think this kennel needs to go." When I found dog dishes, mats, leashes, poo bags, etc. in a cupboard, "DH, this cupboard would be perfect for my xyz!" You see where I'm going with this? Very quickly we were done dog sitting. I simply was not going to entertain a dog that urinated in my home! Really, it wasn't even about the dog.... Do you see where I am going with this? Entitlement! YSD was/is entitled! She wanted a dog, but she didn't want the responsibility/cost of caring for it. Someone else paid it's vet and grooming bills, it goes to doggy day care, etc. Entitled people are not my people because there is generally so much more 'yuck' that comes with that sense of entitlement.

 

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Wow, that is a visceral, unforgettable manifestation of "entitlement". Something I learned in my research on narcissism is that entitlement is caused by the lack of unconditional love in childhood. Expecting everyone to give you what you need without earning it is exactly what a baby does in receiving unconditional love and  what a teen/adult does in expecting people to serve them. If you don't get unconditional love as a baby, you become a grown-up who demands to be mothered by everyone around you. I think that I pick up on that, and wanted in the past to help SS plug in that hole. His mom definitely put conditions upon her love for him. But that's not a void that can easily be filled. When I first met dh and SS, I relented on everything. I was constantly bringing treats, planning fun activities, and appeasing SS (his tantrums and demands). That did not lead to any type of growth or healing. Btw, SS's reaction was to reject most of what I offered unless it involved activities with dad. If I bought cookies, he was on a "diet". If I learned his favorite fruits and brought that, they would rot on the counter. If I invited him to hikes with me and my BS, he would be "busy". Never once did he take me on an offer to do an activity without DH. I think that I was the perfect fodder for him because I was willing to play that role of serving his entitlement even when he rejected me (which is exactly the test of whether a mom loves you unconditionally). I think disengaging made him go from resentful to downright vengefful.

Sorry, I play amateur psychologist. To put it more concisely, I think SS can only ever be a wolf in sheep's clothing, as you said, until he can heal.

Trudie's picture

...really about the dogs at all. It appears that in the case of your SS and my YSD, the dog is a 'symptom' of the much bigger issue of entitlement. Has your SS ever cleared it with you that the dog is welcome in your home? He just assumes it is okay to displace you in your own home when the dog is on the sofa and he is in the chair? What about the hair on the furniture and the dirt on the floor? I would bet you are cleaning that up. It reeks of a 'me, me, me' mindset. My YSD also displays this mindset when she assumes it's okay to bring her dog into our home and let it urinate while she sits and I clean it up, or for us to watch it when she goes out for the evening, or for the dog's 'stuff' to take residence in our home. I chose to stop the dogsitting instead of feel resentful. Did she like it? Probably not. (Did she care that I didn't like cleaning up dog urine? Also probably not!) However, if one chooses to have a dog, one is choosing responsibility to care for it. 

There are many theories as to where entitlement comes from, it is likely a mix. One contributing factor is receiving too little..."I'm not getting my fair share." "I deserve it." "You owe me." Conversely, receiving too much has the same effect because people become used to receiving...and expect it to continue. Maybe this plays out more in step life because of the guilt some parents may feel for breaking up the family? Think of the Disney Dad. Or the parent who doesn't want to make waves and actually discipline the child. The guilt manifests in countless ways.

The only way your SS will heal is if he wants to heal. That is true for all of us; there has to be a genuine desire, a willingness to 'see' things we do not wish to see, and the strength to process what we discover.

Psychology is a fascinating subject! I love the study of the mind. I love reading case studies because they go beyond the 'symptoms', they give nuggets to aid in understanding the actual 'why'. Unearthing the 'why' is what I find fascinating! Also, how is it that some are resilient and make lemonade instead of becoming sour? I have learned that to navigate step life, so many nuances of human relations/psychology come into play.

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I never even had any expectation that DH would ask me if we could have a dog. Though it's not the same, I do believe a dog deserves a forever home (or in this case, 2). So because of that, I accept that the dog is with us part time until he passes away.  It makes it easy that he's very cooperative. Although I do sometimes think to myself how much of a role I should play. I didn't have any choice in the matter. It was dh, bm, and ss that chose him, had a history with him, etc. But I volunteer to do the morning walks, which is the hardest one for everyone. I'm a morning person, so I take that on because I'm already up. I would feel very bad if I forced dh to get up early especially after a late night at work to walk the dog. Once SS leaves the home though, I was wondering what my reaction would be. I don't like the idea of dh and bm continuing to tangle with each other over shared custody of the dog.

You're right, I'm sure there are many reasons for entitlement both in the past and present. I find psychology interesting too, and am guilty of psychoanalyzing people a little too much. lol.

Winterglow's picture

You don't need to justify disengaging and you don't need permission to do so. Your centre of attention should be you. Do what feels right to you and don't feel guilty because you think you should be otherwise. Do not try to force yourself to feel something that you do not actually feel - that's about the most unnatural thing you could do. Being a decent human towards any visitor to your home is all you need to do. 

Trudie's picture

Well stated!

tryingjusttrying's picture

I need to be more like this. I wish I had more clarity and acceptance about my own needs and feelings.

Dogmom1321's picture

As far as taking up "space"... does SS leave things all over the place while he is vegetating on the couch? Food and drinks should stay in the kitchen only. I would not allow pets on the furniture either. Is he just watching TV? Say you're changing the channel and if he doesn't like it, SS can buy his own for his room then. If you make it more "uncomfortable" for him to have a hang out spot, hopefully he will get the hint and leave. 

I did this with SD14 when she was younger. No food in the den, no iPad volume turned all the way up, etc etc. She eventually just started staying in her room. Probably didn't want DH to hear all the inappropriate tik toks she was watching/making either. 

tryingjusttrying's picture

Thanks dogmom. Until very recently, I was the thing that made him uncomfortable enough to want to leave and stay in his room. lol. But I think he picked up on the fact that by doing that he was isolating himself from both me and more importantly his dad. I think his strategy now is that he's going to take over the living room, and consume the air as much as possible which leaves less alone time between me and dh. At some point this past weekend, SS just sat in the living room for a long while his dad showered and stuff. I kept thinking 'why are you out here?' He didn't even say a word to me. He just sat there for 20 minutes in silence on his phone. When dh finally came out, dh immediately started a conversation with me, and when it was clear that we were going to talk for a bit, that's when SS finally went into his room Argh. My interpretation is that SS sits out in the living room so that he's in a position to pounce on dad when the opportunity arises.

I never thought that I would get so worked up about someone just sitting.

SS doesn't watch tv, read, listen to music or anything else in the iiving room. He just sits. While he sits, he sometimes fiddles with his phone. When his friends  first went off to college in the fall, SS started to just sit by dh in the living room sometimes talking, sometimes just waiting it seemed. Dh might be reading a book or playing the guitar, and SS is just sitting there, sometimes for over an hour. Is that normal for an 18 yo? I couldn't imagine any of my nephews or BS do that. Once in a while, SS would think of something to say or suggest an activity, like taking a drive. But mostly, SS would just sit there so that he could be next to his dear dad.. After the initial stage, SS had some weekends when he became extremely introverted and stayed in his room, but now he's back out in the living room just sitting. If it's not clear, I cannot convey how grating and just uncomfortable I am now being at home with SS sitting there like a lump, not even contributing to the household. He is occasionally asked to take out the trash or walk the dog, but he has no regular chores. He hasn't been working either. Argh.

Harry's picture

Havin a. Professional figure out what's wrong with SS. and developing a treatment plan. He's young and has a chance to change for the good.  Leaving this untreated, going to get you a man who will never move out, never work, never be able to take care of himself. And 15 years from now you will be leaving 

tryingjusttrying's picture

Thanks for reading my rants. I don't talk about my frustrations with SS to anyone except my sister just a little. I don't want to bad mouth him, especially to people who might have to interact with him. So a lot of my posts are just venting and rambling. I don't know if you have to read it, but I surely get a lot out of writing it. And of course the feedback from wise, informed people is much appreciated. Thank you.

Rags's picture

Play the physics cards.  Match his unacceptable action with an equal but opposite reaction.  

If he is the un-opposable force, you be the immovable object in response. Or vice versa as the case may be.

Energy can neither be reated nor destroyed. It can change form.  So, morph to whatever form is required to mitigage his detraction from your well being and peace of mind.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Don't over think it, or over feel it.  

Let him be the one to have the pain of bouncing off of the wall repeatedly.

Dash 1

Take care of you.

Thumper's picture

 

I agree with Harry. 

Tell your dh that his son needs a proper diagnosis with a Psychologist.  The kid deserves that.

 

 

 

 

tryingjusttrying's picture

DH and BM has gotten SS a psychologist at least 3 times. The only definite diagnosis I know if is anxiety and adhd. He was prescribed medication for both, and after multiple and expensive office visits, SS decided he would rather not take medication after all, so never took a single pill. I've posted before wondering why he would get his dad to expend hundreds or thousands of dollars even though it seems there was never any intention to actually take the meds. SS even attended several follow up visits with the psychiatrist prescribing the adhd meds to talk about how the meds are working even though SS was not taking them. I can write a novel as to why I think he does this kind of thing.

His last psychologist didn't give an official diagnosis, but did warn the parents that they needed to seriously keep SS in line because he won't "always get away with it." I only hear what dh tells me, so not sure exactly what the story is. But when SS got a girlfriend, he was embarassed, stopped going, and no one has brought up him going again.

ETA: I don't think it will come up again soon. 1. SS has been more cooperative lately, and is trying to do well in school. So BM and DH aren't seeing thie urgency to get him back to a therapist. 2. SS still has anxiety, but feels that he can control it on his own, and the parents seem fine to let ihim handling it. 3. BM and DH see SS's undesirable behaviors as maybe obnoxious, but not clinically disordered.