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Moonwalker's picture

I'm newly married. My wife has three kids. 6,11,14 from her previous marriage  

I love them. She's also pregnant with my child. 

Baby due in December. 

Step kids hardly soeak with me. They say good morning to their mom and ignore me. They say goodnight to their mom and ignore me.

When I come from work at six pm I sit in the man cave room till 9pm to give Mom and kids time to Bond. 

I'm feeling like a stranger. By the time I get to the room at 9, my wife is on phone with her church group or family for an hr. I either fall asleep or we watch a movie together. So in all we spend like an HR or less together each day.

The two sons hate me and are covertly rude to me. 

Someone advice before I walk away.

 

 

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Harry's picture

Have a heart to heart talk with DW.  Tell her you need some tim3 with her each night.  For her to try arrange some time with you.  What she wantes you to do to help her out, to help get this time.  You need a date night every other week, movie, dinner, or other fun thing to do.  Try to  work out something for both of you to get a win win 

ndc's picture

Your wife is failing as a parent and a partner.  She needs to tell her children that while they don't need to like you, they do need to respect you and not ignore you, and she needs to impose consequences if they don't.  She also needs to make some room in her life for you.  Spending time with her husband should take precedence over phone calls every single day to family or church group.  But I'm not sure why you're sitting in your man cave for hours after work.  Your wife has been with her kids for many years - I can't imagine that she needs a few hours every night to "bond" with them.  If anything, they need time when you're around to bond with you.  Maybe you're never going to have much of a bond with the teenager, but I've got to think you can work on a relationship with a 6 year old.  

elkclan's picture

Totally agree with this - my partner's lads were 8 and 11 when I met them and my son 10. Bonding is built through time and I think the  6 and 11 yo should be your targets (not to be horrible to the 14 yo). Because of custody arrangements my SO has plenty of time with my son - I don't quite get enough time with my steps, but it's not bad. We did activities together, games, etc. 

I don't understand why you're not eating family meals together. 

rocksandrolls's picture

This sounds super lonely. I agree, talk with your wife and work with her to place ground rules in your home. Living on eggshells in not a viable long term solution. Believe me. I know. I think couple's counseling would also help clarify things and offer best practices. The trick is that both parties have to be willing to be honest with themselves. 

Winterglow's picture

You feel like a stranger because you're behaving like one. How do you think your wife feels when you hide in your cave rather than spend time with her and her kids every night? 

Start by talking to your wife about getting the kids to respect you. Ignoring you isn't respecting you. They have to respond. Be clear about your expectations from her and her children because she's not a mind reader. Start spending time with them in the evenings - ask about their day, help cook dinner, lend a hand with homework. ANYTHING just show them you exist and you're not going away! At the moment, you are making yourself so invisible that (I hate to say this) is it any wonder they don't "see" you? You are the adult here so affirm your place in your own home. Things won't improve overnight, they may not improve at all but if you do nothing and keep on hiding out you can be sure that nothing will change.

Good luck.

Moonwalker's picture

I do jomeworl with kids. I attend sports events for the kids. I cook every other day. I tend to her. I just feel out of place so after I cook etc I go to my man cave. 

If we are in bed early watching a movie, all three kids come into our room every ten min for one thing or another. 

Maybe I'm just being too sensitive I don't know. The teen is suttoe ride to me like I'm some idiot. The younger ones are not. 

Then before bed wife is on phone with church groups coordinating this or that for Sunday or with family or friends for several hours. Of we have a weekend off, she's on phone with church women all day. I mean like all day. So as not to feel like.im interrupting her calls I go to man cave. Church ladies, friends, family all start calls as early as seven am on weekends. This calls on Saturdays can last literally all day. 

My man cave is my sanctuary. 

Of course coming into a family thing kate you always feel like an outsider. Kids and Mom have inside jokes. They want to show Mom this or that which is normal and I encourage that. 

Moonwalker's picture

Homework not joleworl

And teen is suttle rude not suttoe ride. Excuse typos

Moonwalker's picture

I like what someone said that she has had time to Bond with them all these yrs . I hadn't thought of that. So won't kods feel like I'm in their space with Mom if I don't give them a few hrs a day with her alone? 

It's a very tricky bakabal coming into a family that's already established. I tend to feel, I'll find my place when the baby is born . Any ideas? Love y'all thanks for allowing me to share.

beebeel's picture

Talk to your wife. What does she say when you bring up the fact her kids ignore you in your own home? Would she let them ignore the pastor in his own church?

What does she say when you tell her you need more quality time with her as husband and wife? Have you tried planning dates with her?

The kids don't need multiple hours every day pretending you don't exist. I'm actually surprised your wife hasn't tried coaxing you out of the cave. Does she say anything about it, or is she perfectly content with joining her children in ignoring you during those hours?

Winterglow's picture

I think the risk of giving them a few hours a day, every day,  with their mother is that they think you're avoiding them ... 

Never forget that she is not only their mother but also your wife. Have you spoken to her about all the time her church groups are taking up? Maybe it's time for a reminder that she has a husband who'd like to spend a little time with her? 

Phone calls starting at 7 am at the weekend? Dude, you're a saint ...

Moonwalker's picture

And to answer someone above, I don't come in from work and go straight to my man cave. I cook I help with homework. Kids do dishes. We adults cook.

What I'm referring to is I'd like to feel like part of the family. How do y'all go about this .

Wife eats as she's on phone with church familu and friends. That phone never goes down. Kids then follow her around and they all play and tell about their day .Of which I feel I'm not wanted so I retreat to man cave. After dinner at 630, I want to relax. But wife is back in room and kids are all there hanging out. So I stay in man cave till they finish hanging out with Mom at nine pm. 

If it's a weekend I can't get rest in room after seven am cause kids come in and are in and out every five minutes . I'm not saying they shouldn't hang out in our room. No. So if it's a weekend that I'm home all day, I'm downstairs all day. They are in our room with her chilling. I don't want to tell her can we have some time alone as it may come across as needy. So Saturday I go up to room at 8pm. Kids still coming in and out till ten pm. So no time to talk and Bond for us. I can't tell her to limit kids entrance into our room. But when our baby is born and grows up, I'll feel the authority to sit my child down and be like look, mom.and dad need time too . Go hang out in your room 

I love dogs's picture

You absolutely can limit the time her kids are in your room. Do they just walk on in?? The marital bed/ room is the MARRIED COUPLES sanctuary. 

marblefawn's picture

I know it's not considered manly to be needy, but you have to get over that, especially if you are thinking you might walk. Many women would be flattered if their husbands asked them for more alone time!

This is straight from our therapist: You're making a common mistake. You can't get what you need if you don't ask. With all she has going on, you can't expect her to read your mind.

She might gladly give up church work if she knows you are so unhappy. Maybe not -- maybe there's something else going on that you don't realize, but you won't know if you don't ask and talk about it.

Moonwalker's picture

No they knock. But it's every five or ten min. I just bare it as I'm not going to be the one to tell a mom to limit kids time with her. Or to suggest she goes out of the room to hang out with them.

 

 

Winterglow's picture

I don't think she's factored you in at all. She hasn't transitioned from Single Mom to Married Mom. I think you could do with some serious marital counselling - you both need to learn how to move forward together as a family and on an equal footing.

 

marblefawn's picture

It's odd that what should be a really special time for all of you sounds so ho-hum...so ho-hum that you're thinking of leaving. Is the love gone? Or have you just gotten into bad habits that make marriage a drag?

I say tell your wife you miss spending Saturdays with her and her kids would love to have back some of her time so you can all prepare and bond with the baby as a couple and a family. She might be touched -- many men want less time with their wives! She may change her priorities if she's flattered.

I guess what I'm saying is...make her want to be with you and her kids more than she wants to be on the phone. What is it about her church work that makes her put it above family? Figure it out and then cleverly show her how all of you can provide the same boost as baking cookies for a church mud sale.

With a baby on the way, the whole dynamic will change. That baby can bring you together or drive you apart. Do you plan to be a hands-on dad? She's gonna need help with four kids, a job, church stuff, etc. Why not use this happy occasion to reset what sounds like a marriage in a rut? Start making the marriage what you want it to be now before the baby gets here.

Who is tending her kids while she's on church duty all weekend? Someone is enabling her to be unavailable. If it's you, you need to cleverly shift responsibility back to her. What if you said, "Hey, the kids and I would like you to go with us to the park at 2, so can you be available? We'd love to have you." You're not asking her to cut off her church time. You're asking her to be available for her family. When 2 p.m. comes, make the "wrap it up we're heading out" hand motions and see if it works. If not, you might have to be more assertive and ask for what you need. But be diplomatic first.

I never understand people doing so much for a church when their family waits at home. It's fair to ask her to reduce her commitment so you can ALL bond with the baby. Don't demand, don't scold. Try to make her see that her FOUR KIDS (geez that's a lot of kids) are their own congregation and soon they will be grown and gone and she will have spent those years on church stuff. Tell her she can always go back to church work when the kids are older, but you don't want her to miss these exciting years with your new baby and her kids. (Never make it about you...always make it about her kids!)

It sounds as if you have a typical teen and there's no helping that! But you also have two other skids you love. This baby can be a reset for all of you (maybe not the teen). Engage the younger kids in helping with their new sibling. Try to stoke them for having a baby in the house. Stoke your wife too. No one with four kids should spend disposable time elsewhere. It's selfish. Why did she have those kids, and then another, if she didn't want to live up the the responsibility of raising them? Try to pull the "charity begins at home" card without making it sound like a judgment.  

marblefawn's picture

Oh, and tell her new rule: no phones at the dinner table. This is where you have every right to make a rule without negotiating.

It is ridiculous for a grown woman to act that way toward her kids and husband. What an example she's setting!

She needs her phone time limited just like a child. She is being rude, especially on nights when YOU cook.

 

lieutenant_dad's picture

So your wife has made everyone and everything else a priority over you, and instead of standing up and asking for your rightful place at her side, you hvae stepped back in an effort to be "nice".

Been there, done that, and have the divorce papers to prove it.

Marriage isn't about being "nice". That's what dating is for. Dating is for having fun, losing yourself in each other, being silly and drunk with puppy love.

Marriage is work. Marriage is figuring out how to make a business work while also realizing that you have to sleep with that person at the end of the day. No good manager of a business can just sit back and let everyone else run the show. They HAVE to communicate their wants and needs, and they HAVE to make tough decisions.

There is NOTHING WRONG with asking your wife to put away the phone when she gets in bed with you. There is NOTHING WRONG with sending the kids to their bedrooms at 8pm to entertain themselves. There is NOTHING WRONG with telling the kids they can't come in your room, even if they knock first.

There IS SOMETHING WRONG with slinking into your man cave every night in an effort to make your wife happy. You compound the problem of being at the bottom of the list by putting yourself at the bottom of the list. When you aren't present, other people will fill the spot you leave.

So start with being present. Start easy by just being in the same room as your wife and SKs. Sure, it may be awkward at first, but you're going to have to get used to being around them. Once that baby comes, you won't be able to take the baby and slink away. You'll have to BE THERE with them. So, push through the awkwardness.

By being present, you'll pick up on inside jokes. You'll see how they all interact. You'll have opportunities to provide input. And, you'll also give your SKs the opportunity to be little demons to you in front of their mother, which hopefully she'll see and put a stop to.

You will also show the kids that you aren't going anywhere. That they don't rule the roost with Mom. That they aren't the most important people in her life. Don't get me wrong; they are her #1 responsibility. You, however, are her #1 priority, and vice versa. Your wants and needs trump their wants. Their needs trump yours. No child needs three hours exclusively with Mom every night, but a marriage does need consistent work and interaction. Trim down the kids' WANT of Mom because your marriage NEEDS her, and you.

So start with being present. After you have mastered that, then we can talk next steps.

Moonwalker's picture

Yes I agree. I think the every five min to ten min knocks are excessive. Wanting to show Mom a new trick

strugglingSM's picture

It takes time to become part of a family unit that already existed before you came along. Also, your wife needs to put in the effort to create a new family unit that you are part of. I've read that it can take up to 5 years for a "blended" family (I'm not a big fan of the term) to come together. You should talk to your wife about how you feel, emphasize that you'd like to be part of the family unit, but you need her help in making that happen, and also remind her that you all need to prepare to become a new family once the new baby arrives. 

I would also try to do things with the children individually, to get to know them. Start with the younger ones, since they might be more amenable. Make it clear that you are not trying to replace their dad. 

One question - did you move into the home they shared before you were around? I think that can make things even more challenging, because they all have history in that location before you arrived, so for them nothing has changed. 

Finally, mom shouldn't need that much time alone to bond with her kids...her focus should be on creating a family. You give her a lot of alone time to do her own thing, but you need to work with her to create time to do things as a family. 

Moonwalker's picture

I think I'm giving her too much time with kids, to my ex exusion. 

Wow five yrs for a blended family to connect wow.

What I fear and what I don't want is that once the baby is born, naturally I'll be closer to the baby than my step kids. So a bond will form from birth. I don't want to feel like I'm favoring or loving my own more. Or is that normal? I want to raise this baby coming(my first) and do all the things I've wanted to do as a dad. 

elkclan's picture

There's nothing wrong with loving your own child more. I do.

But you can avoid problems by staying fair. Staying fair also means coming down on step kids the same as you come down on your own kid (age appropriate!). I try my best to pull up my step kids for their bad behaviour as much as I do to my own son - they are the same ages, so it's pretty easy for me. Kids need discipline and they can spot when someone is being treated differently - either more leniently or more harshly. My partner is a bit stricter than I am. But he is FAIR in his strictness. I back him up.  He backs me up if I've already said they can do something that he probably wouldn't have let them do. 

But you have to be a team in this  - and it doesn't sound like you are.

As far as your wife having alone time with her kids - yes, she should have that. But she doesn't need it every day. 

Moonwalker's picture

And when I want to spend time with her she's on the phone. Be it after work or whatever. Her girlfriends(and I know it's women as phone is always on spaker phone) are always calling her or her calling them . They can talk alllllllllday . I wonder what ladies talk about so much to be honest, on a daily basis every day. 

She's pregnant so at times doesn't feel well etc. I take step kids and do stuff with them . Like to the park etc or Chuck e cheeses. I'd just like my wife to be involved with us

marblefawn's picture

If she's not feeling well, ask her to sit with you and the kids to watch a movie or play a game.