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Numpty and Chucky

Monchichi's picture

I don't even know where to begin as my thoughts are so jumbled. I don't understand their dynamic. I can't see where the line of parent and child exists. I don't understand my husbands expectations with his son.

I can't grasp my husbands lack of parenting of this child. My husband literally has no clue what is going on in his sons life. He seems to be oblivious to how dirty his child is. He seems to think all he has to do is bog on the kid and his behaviour will miraculously change.

He has no idea how his son is doing academically. He notices his son is polite to everyone but me unless the child wants something from me. He keeps apologising for his sons treatment of me but can't seem to stop him.

My husband literally cannot control his son. He can't seem to command the childs respect/ compliance on anything. He rinses and repeats with the same solution over and over with no change happening at all.

To quote my husband "I have no worries with BabyD and Miss P that if I discipline them they will stop loving me or never want to see me again. I am too scared to discipline Chucky because I will lose him."

My husband is going to lose both girls if he keeps on the path he is on, as well as his son. I can't seem to get this through my husbands thick skull. One child cannot disrespect both adults in a house but the other two are handed their rear ends if they put even half a toe out of line.

Chucky and numpty have no relationship by my husbands own admission. "I can't connect to my son, I don't know how."

I don't know what I am doing here any more fellow STalkers. I don't know how to fix this or propose any more solutions. I offered to pay for therapy and my husband never sorted out the appointment.

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Acratopotes's picture

Mon - sit him down and say....

You treat Chucky the same way you treat the girls, if the girls does something wrong, you teach them to do the right thing, thus is Chucky does something wrong, you have to teach him the correct way.... or you simply leave me to teach Chucky and if he screams at me YOU ARE NOT MY MOTHER, then it's your duty to take Chucky and give him time out or at least tell him, you will not scream and shout at any adult in my house.... small steps friend small steps...

H saying he's scared to loose Chucky if he starts parenting, smile and say - Well Numpty - you have to choose, are you going to be fair and parent your son or are you going to loose me and the girls?

Monchichi's picture

Thank you for your thoughtful and compassionate answer. Chucky lives about 7kms from our house. Sleep overs were away from our home and then were stopped for a time and more regular shorter access was requested. BM refused any alteration to the visitation schedule. My husband then worked overseas for 7.5 months. On his return sleep overs resumed. The first weekend was actually quite pleasant, after that it has gone down hill steadily.

Chucky admits his mother insists he come visit, in fact forces him to and that he stop making waves in our house. He has told us he doesn't want to visit and is angry he is being made to. This after 3.5 years of telling him how horrid we both are and he doesn't have to listen to us.

I understand life isn't fair and not everything should be equal. I expect more from the girls which will never change. I need them to achieve in life, I need them to know I love them enough to parent them and not just be their friend. It's my husbands relationship with the girls that worries me. They will resent him for it later, that however I am realising needs to be his burden and not mine.

I don't want to stop the sleep overs again to be honest unless he hurts one of the girls again. The time will come when neither BM nor numpty will be able to force Chucky to come, it's going to happen sooner than anyone realises.

Chucky is very angry and not just with me. When asked why his answer is because I make him eat proper food. That is utter balls and I stopped that a long time ago. The child is just angry period. The only place he is really happy is with his MIL as long as he is getting his own way, which he usually does.

I look at this situation and I just have no idea how to help any more. Not numpty, Chucky or the girls. After a very bad visit both girls take 1-2 days to adjust again. I feel powerless to ease this and I am a fixer by nature and not a wallower or ostrich. I want to fix this, I just don't know how.

I feel useless.

StepUltimate's picture

"I feel powerless to ease this and I am a fixer by nature and not a wallower or ostrich. I want to fix this, I just don't know how. I feel useless."

I can SO relate! Different situational details, but SAME EXACT feeling. My dispair & feelings of failure are tremendous.

Monchichi's picture

I don't know how to protect the girls. It's why I am reaching out to you amazing ladies who know my story.

moeilijk's picture

Mon, he's pretty clear about it. He isn't willing to face Chucky's displeasure. It's really too bad, because being ok with your kid's negative emotions is an absolute requirement to raising them well.

So he does what he needs to do to avoid parenting. Doesn't see the dirt. Doesn't see the bad behaviour. Doesn't know what to do. Doesn't take action. Just... doesn't.

I hope, for the sake of Miss P and Baby D and most of all, you... that he DOES for you guys.

Do you think any of it might be gender-related, as I'm just realizing you and the girls are all, well, girls?

Monchichi's picture

moe, it's not a gender issue. Sadly my husband thinks both girls will amount to much more than Chucky in life. He wants more for them by his own admission. He expects more from them because they are capable of it. It's a sad indictment of his view of his own son.

moeilijk's picture

Mon, it seems your DH has got the chicken and the egg confused. He wants 'more' for the girls but not Chucky. He expects more because they are 'capable.' Those girls are going to have more and be more because DH wanted it and expected it and reinforced that value every interaction, every day. Of course each child is different and some are more likely to have objective success in the world. But there's a lot more room to have a good life for people with proper hygiene and common courtesy.

Monchichi's picture

You completely understand my concern. I've done as you suggested and it made no difference. It's when my husband admitted his fear of losing his son if he parents him.

I put my foot down this weekend with my SS and made my feelings clear to my husband and SS. I have outlined that I as an adult in my home do not reward bad behaviour, bad grades and rudeness. That going forward I won't be putting up with it. I don't need to take rude children on outings or buy them treats. I do not need to engage with rude children either.

There are 2 clear paths for me as the adult in the house. My SS can build a bridge and stop trying to take me on. I will continue to lay off on the food issue. Or my SS can try take me on and it will be a very boring time at our house with boiled Brussel sprouts and cabbage for every meal so that he can have a real complaint about food.

I still feel useless as I know I have made the child angrier with me. I am disappointed in my husband as his "best effort" was "You will respect Monchichi. It's your choice how this plays out. I know you are a good kid and this nonsense needs to stop. You decide how this is."

ChiefGrownup's picture

"time to pick your future."

That is really profound. I wish I had thought of it years ago. Instead I gave an impassioned lecture of what would happen to SD as a young adult if she didn't get more guidance now. DH tried to take it to heart but honestly he didn't really believe me.

So the next thing you said, "tragic when the blinders come off years later," yes, is very tragic. She is virtually 18 now and more and more dh is confessing to me things she says or does that he finds distasteful. So he has a young adult daughter now that he finally realizes he doesn't actually like all that much and whose adulthood is on track to just get more and more distasteful. Yes, it is tragic. I just stand there and bite my tongue. Really don't have much else to say besides "I told you so," so better to keep biting my tongue.

Pokeyketchum's picture

Hey Mon,

I don't post often, but your post resonated with me. I am a SM but also a SD. My dad was remarried, had stepdaughters of his own and a biological daughter. I might have/may have felt like Chucky perhaps feels. (It is impossible to say; however, I will tell you how I felt growing up.)

My dad thought I would never amount to much. I always had the impression that off all the "girls" he thought I would be the crack addict. He never said this, it was always just in the background. He never took time with me, never planned things with me. When summer visitation came, his daughters had basketball camp and cheerleading camp and I had... the TV. (This very well could have been their mother's influence and not my father's. Looking back on it, that is quite possibly the case.). He showed them how to do things, talked to them, had a relationship with them, and I was just... there.

I really resented it, but did not have the words to verbalize WHY I felt marginalized. It was impossible for me to pinpoint why I felt so badly. And I took it out on the SM. My father never really said things bad about me directly, it was about my "parenting" or how I was "different" because of where I lived, etc. I always felt BAD while I visited and the much much lesser of my father's children. And as an adult, about to graduate with my doctorate, I still do. It never has gone away.

As an adult, my dad and I never really had much of a relationship. Just recently we have and I love him immensely, but I am still always trying to be the BEST daughter. Trying to show him that I deserve his love. I finally asked him about it, if he had less expectations of me, and he couldn't really admit it, but did by his lack of a response.

Just another viewpoint. And HUGS

Monchichi's picture

Pokey, you can take the horse to water but you can't make it drink. My husband has tried to interact with his son. Their relationship is broken. I happen to believe it can be fixed. I just don't know how Sad

I appreciate your words and a child's perspective. I can honestly say my husband does try to talk with his son. The play, outings, activities come from me for all 3 children. If my husband could get away with it, all 3 children would be glued to screens so he can be on them too.

It's so messed up and I don't want to care but I truly do.

nengooseus's picture

Monchichi, I identify so much with your situation.

My SS is a poopstorm, as well. SS has speech issues and fine motor delays, but nothing that can be officially diagnosed by a doctor. The developmental ped told us that we will likely have to wait until the wheels fall off until anyone does anything with the kid to help him. BM isn't interested in doing anything to help him, because it's her baaaaayyybeeeee. There's no discipline, no consequences. He's told over and over that he walks on water. SD is treated like refuse and literally instructed to cater to his every whim.

Perhaps not surprisingly, BM has also done heavy PAS. She backed down when we called out the behavior with the courts, and I think her DH got tired of having him there all the time. DH struggles to parent SS during his parenting time--he, too, lives in fear that his kids won't want to visit if he parents the way he should. And he feels like a prison guard, which takes away all the joy of being a parent. It's really terrible to be a proper parent to a child when you only have 35% parenting time, and the other parent (and in your case Unikitty, too!) undermines you always.

I, too, am a fixer. I spend enormous amounts of time trying to figure out what's wrong with this kid and how to help DH, too. It's useless. There's nothing I can do. There's probably nothing can do. EOWE and a month in the summer isn't enough to fix this kid, as long as there's the influence of his horrible mother.

We focus on how to make it less hard for DH, which isn't like real parenting. We have different standards for SS than SD or DD, and we have to be OK with it. It feels weird, but it's what we have to do to survive.

We take SS's issues one at a time--Disrespect was where we started, and it was the only thing we dealt with for a long time. Specific instructions (say hello when you enter a room, look people in the eyes, no talking back, etc.) and hard consequences have helped some, but DH is the only one to do any of it. I call out the behavior and he deals with it. He's not even 100% reliable with it, but at least it's better than nothing. And I do nothing for SS. For me to do anything for him just provokes a punishment because he literally cannot be respectful of me.