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I really don't need this crap...on top of the SD crap!

lovin-life's picture

My daughter has been referred to an Orthodontist by her dentist....(Her teeth are very crowded and obviously need to be evaluated)

Apparently during a conversation a few weeks back, she had been told by her father that she WILL NOT be seeing one until next year..he doesn't want to pay any balance not covered by insurance (his portion)

I had to pay out of pocket last August for my son's ortho appointment...and I'm still waiting for my X to process the bill/paperwork through his insurance 1st so I can submit it to my insurance for re-imbursment.

SO because he has 'stiffed me' with this expense..not the first time he's set me up for a financial 'hit'..by the way. I forwarded the Ortho's number and told him to make the appointment at a time convenient for him ..and he can take her....that way HE has to pay before he leaves the office. ANd is more likely to process the insurance paperwork for re-imbursment when its HIS out of pocket money. (Actully I had to charge the fee's on my credit card..and it is accuing interest)

It's not up to him to dictate when the kids need medical or dental treatment or evaluations..that's for the professionals to decide......

SO frustrating...dealing with him!!!!!!

I told him about the appointment in an e-mail...along with mentioning the child-care amounts that are required for this year..I'm covering his share on that too..so far this year. And that she has a birthday party on his Wed night visit...(that's b/t them if she goes with him or the party...since he is the parent on duty for that time frame.)

I find out late last night...that instead of replying to me. He called the kids, changed the schedule, again without a word to me! SO I ask my son..when his Dad was going to tell me..."oh, Dad said he was going to e-mail you"..

I wish he's stop playing these annoying little games with me.....and just grow up!

Maybe I could stop paying for childcare and dentist bills.....and get a lwyer too!

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happy's picture

Is there anyway you can gather all your paperwork up and go see a lawyer and since the obvious is you taking him to court to pay things that is already ordered, he would have to pay your lawyers fees.. Which I am not sure exactly where you are .. But I am pretty sure where I am you can do this..
Your ex- sounds kinda like mine.. My kids get hurt and its always oh they do not need this or that.. And I am always like you know what.. They do too.. I think I would get a lawyer and take his butt to court and let the lawyer figure all the rest out.. You know.. You poor thing.. Just probably when you think you are getting ahead soemthing else happens.. How bad does that suck... I know Bad..

I am here for you ..
happy (hugs to you)

Dawn-Moderator's picture

Yeah, my stepson had a retainer last year to prepare his teeth for braces. He hasn't lost enough of his baby molars yet but the orthodontist didn't want him to damage the secondary teeth that he had. He has an underbite and the teeth weren't matching up right. Anyway, the retainer was just temporary until he can get braces next year. This is what the orthodontist said and what we told biomom. Well, she is saying that she doesn't think he'll need braces now since he had the retainer and that his smile is "cute" the way it is. Whatever!! His mouth is still all out of alignment and the orthodontist says he needs braces!!!

My husband told her to start saving up now because he IS getting braces!

Dawn

lovin-life's picture

Hi Happy, I am in 'communication' with a lawyer.
Here's the deal. My X wants me to sign off on a 'separation agreement' then incorporate the terms of that into a divorce decree. We've agreed on most terms verbally and have lived by them for the last 5+ years...at least for the most part. We are quibbling over such things as his contibution to sports, and he had refused to pay childcare for the first couple years until he spoke to his 1st lawyer. He should've paid it then. He can pay it now. He makes 7 times as much as me. The kids were only put into sports because he said he would pay all of 1 and 1/2 for the other. He has reniged, but I have in writing that he would pay. At this point he's agreeing to pay ..but I never know what to expect ..he's back & forth on it.

To be honest, I don't think he's capable of following a court order. He was out of town 2 weeks ago..but visited his lawyer just before he left. I gave him my version of a 'sep-agreement'...he is not in agreement with many of the terms....

SOOoooooo...I'm waiting for my summons to court to fight over this..anyday now. I expect since's I've heard nothing more regarding my proposed 'agreement'...that we are off to court. He doesn't seem to willing to negotiate.....his way or else...

I'll try it on my own...I did most of hubby's case to save legal fees, gathered evidence, did affidavits, researched & gathered at applied relevant case law...all he had to do was show up & present it.

I'll find the money somewhere if I have to...but I'll see how far I can take it on my own first. The lawyer says I should be a lawyer, I'm very good at it....but I also know that "anyone who represents themselves has a fool for a client".....

Ya, Dawn I couldn't believe he told her that! The really stupid thing is that his insurance covers 50% (I think..I asked him to check it out..but of course didn't here back) and I believe because the kids are double covered with insurance...we cover the remaining 50%. Chances are we don't have to pay a dime out of pocket....but he's just being an uncooperative ASS!!!

Don't worry ... I'm taking notes...and it will all not look good for him in court!! Smile

Dawn-Moderator's picture

If it's not even about the money then he's just being a pain. Our insurance will pay for half of stepson's braces but biomom doesn't have any insurance on stepson. We split half of the uncovered part. She will be responsible for 25% of the total bill as will we. Still, it won't be cheap, I'm sure but if the ortho says he needs them then he gets them. Stepson might think that he doesn't want them now but if we didn't get them now, when he gets to high school or college, he would ask why we didn't get him braces when he needed them.

Dawn

Anne 8102's picture

Why not just file the paperwork yourself or have the orthodontist do it? Between my three skids, they have insurance coverage from my husband, their mother, their step-father and another bio father. We just supply the insurance cards and claim forms, Mom gives them to the dentists and doctors and that's that.

~ Anne ~

lovin-life's picture

It should be that simple, Anne.

This orthodontist doesn't direct bill..
I don't have the information from my X to file it with his company ...that's why I gave it to him to do.
I can't just send it to our company either..it has to go to his first.
I went through almost 10 months of BS from the two insurance companies....for 3 regular dentist bills they wouldn't pay...because it went to our insurance b/f the 'fathers' insurance. It's direct billed via our regualr dentist but the girl at the dentist office put one through in reverse order by mistake, so they tied up all the claims. We had to do numberous conference calls between dentist/me/x/his insurance/BF/BF's insurance/X's HR department ...... IT was rediculous!!!

But you did give me an idea.......
My dentist has all of his insurance information on file...
IF he won't give me the information or file the damn stuff himself. I'll get the information I need from thier records....HA!!!!

Thanks.............:) Smile Smile Smile

happy's picture

Isn't there a way to obtain his information (insurance). You should have a insurance card as well as he should if he ever had to have your info in case of emergency. My ex has an insurance card for our kids in case he needs to take them to the dr.s normally though all that is always on me. Which is ok.. I gladly take all that on.
Your ex just sounds like he is trying to stick it to you. Which in the end who is he really hurting.. You or your kids he says he loves so much. That is like my ex- he thinks by not paying support he is hurting me but in all reality he is hurting our kids.. Because I cannot always afford everything.. You know..

lovin-life's picture

I think my..."YOU take them to thier appoinments and pay out of YOUR pocket" e-mail got his attention.

He called last night to let me know "that he has plans for New Years" surprise, suprise!! ha I was ready for him...I don't mind hanging out with my kids for the 'big event' so we planned on for it.

It is such a HHHUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGEEEEE pain in the ass for him to take the kids to appointments. And it doesn't look good for him to refuse.
He lives 30 minutes away...works just out of town...in the opposite direction to us...and the orthodonist is way past us continuing in the other direction.
What'll take me 45 minutes....
Will take him almost 2 hrs....

He said he has the papers from Aug in his car......
I will have him pay me out ..out of his pocket
I will have him supply the funds for the next one as well

OldTimer's picture

We're having an issue too.

The way that our Ortho bill is set up is that the office completely understands that SS's parents are divorced. They set it up so that they only bill my DH for half of the bill automatically, and the other half gets billed directly to his mother- we don't hear anything about her end of the deal. They bill DH's insurance, which was way better than the two, and I think that BM's insurance covered a small part of it, but she was responsible for paying her half of it.

But initially, we used to have such problems with her when she took SS to the dentist. She won't pay the bill, instead the office would simply bill her by mail. Well, we are the ones that are responsible for the bill and would never get the bill, so it would eventually end in collections, which we would never even know that SS even went to the dentist in the first place! So, we ended up calling the dentist and had the billing address changed to our addresss... not hers as per the court order. We even sent them copies of the court order so they had it on file for the next time she tried to change the address again. (Yes, she would call them as soon as she realized, and have it change back to her address.... excuse me!)

Now, we're dealing with the ortho office and everything is set up automatically. We don't have to pay anything out of our pocket because of the 50/50 split, really. But apparently, for the last 6 months, the office has been trying to get ahold of BM. I don't think she's been paying her end of things. She quit her job, and weeeeelll, of course there isn't anymore insurance on her end. Then she's been moving every 3 months, so finally, they the office asked us for her information. Just as soon as we give them her info, she up and moves again. I think the office is really frustrated with her. The last time we were in there a couple of weeks ago, again the office manager asked for BM's address to confirm because she hasn't been getting any responses back. I verified the info, sure enough it's correct. Guess she's been sending letters, and phone calls. I don't know if she ever did get through to her, but it's apparent that BM is avoiding her. Makes me alittle nervious.