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Iruyas's picture

My daughter and husband do not get along. My family has been sweeping things under a rug for a really long time.We have been together for 13 years. I'm done doing that. It's just come to surface that I've been living with a alcoholic 6 beers or more per day and I am Codependent. We are both getting help. My husband is very hard to communicate with my daughter and my husband is very hard headed. Her bio father is barely around , they maybe talk once per year. She is a senior about to graduate and has plans of going off to college and has a job. I have gone through A LOT with the both of them. He is a great dad to his kids, my 14 yr old stepson and our 3 and 1 year old. But with my daughter he could give a shit less. She is hard headed and rude to me sometimes. But when it comes to her he is front and center if she does something wrong but never is there for anything else. The other day she was 30 mins late from curfew with her stepbrother and a big fight erupted she asked him when was the last time he asked her how her day was? He threw in her face that he pays her phone bill and roof over her head and holds the car against her she said that the financial stuff doesn't matter. He said that she should have her "dad" take care of her then. It was a total low blow cuz he has never been there. My daughter said well at least I have one your is dead. It got heated she said that she wishes he would die just like his dad. It was very harsh. I couldn't shut her up. I couldn't get him to understand that there is a bigger issue. She has been bottling up this feeling of being pushed aside from men for years. It's been days and nothing has been said. She hides in her room when he comes home and he acts like nothing. Now that I think about it she had been doing that for the past 4 years. Last night she told me that she really wants to move out because she doesn't feel comfortable. I hate that my daughter feels that way. I feel like it's my husband that needs to step forward and try to initiate the peace. How do I fix this?

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Iruyas's picture

Oh trust me. It got bad here. I'm not on her at all for saying those things. She actually said the other day that she feels really bad for saying those things and is been weighing heavy on her. But the problem is she doesn't want to fix it. I think deep down she does. But on the surface she is 18 around the corner and will live her own life and won't have to deal with him. She hates him. You seriously think it's on the kid to initiate the peace?

Iruyas's picture

Yeah she has a bad attitude, been fighting to fix it for years. She is strong headed and strong willed. Guess it is just time for her to leave home. Hopefully in the future it will get better. I think your right. It's even hard for me to live with her at times. Maybe being out on her own will humble her.

Disneyfan's picture

What your daughter said was awful. BUT, she has been forced to live in a house for 13 YEARS with a man who treats her like this. On top of that, you knew how your husband treated her, but instead of leaving you stayed.

Chances are, she hates your husband and has zero respect for you. Your daughter has exploded on your husband NOW, you want to fix things. Why didn't you try to fix things years ago when he was treating your child like crap?

No saint's picture

Your husband doesn't have to act like a father to your daughter: he married you, so he is supposed to be nice and polite to her and help provide food and shelter for her , in case of need. Apparently both you and your daughter expected a father figure, which he isn't and doesn't wish to be. Of course that would be the ideal situation but, in fact, he is not her father and unless he abuses or mistreats her, there's nothing more you can demand from him.
About your daughter: no matter how hard it is on her, she has no right to speak to anyone like that. Either take her to a therapist or enforce some manners on her.

Iruyas's picture

Bechersbrook. Before all this happened last month she took a handful of pills. she broke down to me and finally talked about how much her relationship with him has bothered her all these years. How he is a great dad to his but ignores her. She doesn't talk about her feelings much just always says she is ok. I told him how she felt and his reaction was she is lying. I set her up with a counselor. She isn't interested in going. Yes what she said was beyond horrible. Yes she needs to apologize. Everyone has a boiling point, I think she hit hers.

Iruyas's picture

For sure I am to blame for letting this go on for so long and yes NOW better time then never I am trying to do something about it. All of these years I've just been trying to keep the peace. That obviously didn't work.

QueenBeau's picture

I feel there is more to the story of why he doesn't interact with your daughter.

I'm projecting from what I've seen in my family. But a lot of times I've seen this - mom & daughter were all alone. They become 'friends'. Daughter doesn't see mom as authority & therefore doesn't listen to the mom. Is disrespectful, takes every order as a negotiation, & is just plain rude even in public. Butting into adult conversation & basically being confused about her place as a child. Mom things this is 'normal' & she's just a kid/preteen/teen etc. Always making excuses. When other adults don't want to interract with the child, because seeing this behavior & being able to do nothing irks them, mom (or dad, I'm using mom/daughter because that's what it is in this case) thing it is an excuse for the child to act out towards that person.

Alright, I'm done making up imaginary situations LOL. Can you give us more info? was your child 'hardheaded' before you were married? Did your DH ever pay attention to or speak to her? If so when did it stop? Why?

triplea2006's picture

You left out the part where the parent starts feeling sorry for the child (that is an issue we have been dealing with for awhile).

Iruyas's picture

No saint as step parents it is or job to be the parent to other child. For my stepson some he was 2 , he is now 14 I stepped up to the plate. If my kid for a piece of gum so did his. But for him he would buy his child a pack and mine a stick, maybe. It's always been an issue. He asks his son daily how his Day is hasn't asked my daughter for years. I should have left a long time ago. But I didn't and now we have 2 beautiful little ones together. I don't want them to grow up in a broken family. I would never do the stepparenting thing ever again. If it every didn't work out. I would just be a single parent.

No saint's picture

I would never treat a Skid any different from my own but apparently that's not how it works for most people.
I'm not in the OP's house to see the situation and their daily life for myself so, of course, it's easy to judge. As I stated, the ideal would be for all the kids to be treated equally but if their not and divorce is not an option, the family must adjust. Seeing a therapist would be great, especially once the DD feels left aside; as one of the fellow stalker said above, I believe both the "parents" and the daughter should go.

triplea2006's picture

Do you think your expectation for him to be a father figure to dd is causing some of this conflict? I know I felt more distant and anger towards the kids when dh was trying to make this a "normal" family?

Willow2010's picture

Who cares how you got here...seems to be plenty of blame to go around. At least you are trying to fix it now.

IMHO...I would tell both of them that they behaved terribly and it will not happen again. They need to stay away from each other. Your DH needs to let you parent her. She needs some therapy. Then she needs to go off to college.

Has your DHs drinking contributed to the issues?

Iruyas's picture

I feel there is more.... yes she has always been hard headed and difficult. We were on our own since she was 1. I had her at 17 and he had been in her life since she was 2. I've never not taught her to apologize or act right or not hold her accountable for her actions. In fact he has always told me to dicipline her so they don't fight and I would to keep the peace. But when it comes to his son things she couldn't get away with, he does and if I were to ever point out anything his son does wrong the conversation ends with the tables turned toward my daughter. Even if she hasn't been home or has nothing to do with it. I'm in counseling being treated for being codependency and my husband went to a counseling session and they denied him because of substance abuse. My daughter tried and didn't click with that counselor, he made her uncomfortable. I'll keep trying though I do agree on the counseling for us all

fakemommy's picture

Has your daughter ever expressed her feelings to your DH when she is NOT in trouble? I would not respond well to an adult/child who seemed to be trying to use emotional blackmail to get out of trouble. If your DD is upset that your DH never asks how her day was, maybe she should talk to him about it when everything is going well.

I'm sure they are both a little to blame for their relationship being what it is, and I don't think it is fair of you to expect him to be the one who reaches out. Your husband sounds like he feels very unappreciated since he does a lot for her her dad does not do. From experience, I know it is hard to connect with someone emotionally when it seems like they don't appreciate you for what you do for them already.

Iruyas's picture

Yes his drinking has contributed. It's been an endless cycle. He was never an any drunk. He was a happy drunk. When he was sober he was very moody, silent, impatient but once he had a beer I felt comfortable talking to him. My daughter even said that he's only nice to her when he's drunk. Well I felt the same. Right when I've had enough and I try to leave. He is the husband and father I need him to be. Do now is the last straw and he is done drinking. He told me that he was an alcoholic.i don't even drink. I've never dealt with something like this before. I never did understand addiction or dealing with addiction

ChokinOnLemonz's picture

I could see my SS12 saying the same about me. "Chokin is nice to HER kids. Chokin ignores me. Waaaaaah"

But the truth is I was a doting parent to every child until HE started being a brat and then I began to disengage. And when I try to be nice I get rewarded by being treated like a leper every time the brat gets back from visiting Mommy Dearest.

But skids and kids in general don't see things from others perspectives.

Every person has different languages of love. The relationship a man has with his teen son will be different than that of a teen stepdaughter. He may feel his affection is shown in the things he works hard to provide her with - clothes, car, insurance, phone.

You can't expect a man to parent a toddler the way he would a teen
It's adorable when Daddy plays horsey with a 3 year old. It's creepy and illegal when he plays it with a 14 year old.

He fathered his toddlers. And his son. He didn't have a child that's got emotional baggage from a divorce thrust in his lap for these children. These children didn't resent him for NOT being their real father. Different story with your daughter.

YOU set the tone for what's going on in your home. The buck stops with Mom.

My home is odd in that my husband greets my kids, chats with them but it's usually a stormy silence between myself and my SS. Why? Because I made sure my husband knew I expected him to be good to my kids AND most of all, I don't tolerate my children being shitty towards my husband. My husband allowed his son to be an ass for way too long out of fear of being rejected by him, the natural consequence of that is now he has a wife and child that don't like each other very much

triplea2006's picture

You're absolutely right! My Dad was this way! He wasn't much in the affectionate part while we were teens (he only had daughters so it might have been different with a boy to do manly stuff with) but he felt like providing for us was how he showed love while Mom did most of the raising, he too seemed to only communicate when yelling.

Iruyas's picture

Fakemommy.... he doesn't deal with conflict or resolving conflict well. If she confronted him. He probably wouldn't react or say anything. I told him how she felt and he said that she was lying. So I stopped talking and the conversation ended

fakemommy's picture

I don't think you talking to him about it helps. She needs to sit down with him when things are not heated and express her feelings and the need to work together to decide how their relationship is going to work. I'd suggest a lunch or dinner away from the house (and you and the other kids) to try to figure things out. The only way you should be involved at this point is making sure your daughter speaks to him with respect and that he isn't hateful when speaking to her. The more you push him to have a relationship with her, the more resentful he will be, and the harder it will be for him to reach out to her without feeling like he's being force to or like he's being fake.

Iruyas's picture

Love4lemons..... I'm actually going through the same with my stepson. We aren't on the no speaking terms but. If he acts like an ass and I bring it up to my husband I just get the silent treatment
The odd in your house is reversed in my house.

twoviewpoints's picture

Haven't read all the comments yet, so forgive if it's been said.

IMO you need to let the girl go. She's graduating, going off to school anyway. I'm sure the last few years has been hard on her. You say yourself you're co-dependent and DH is an alcoholic. Am I right that perhaps DH's died from alcohol complications? It's the one thing to me that makes the line daughter said to your husband fit. Otherwise why not have just said 'die, stepdad, die'.

Anyway...glad to hear both you and DH are getting help with your individual issues. You have two young kids that will be counting on the both of you. May I suggest your daughter join a support group such as Al-non/Alateen?. If she is able to move out (perhaps with a group of females or a grandparent?). it's time to let her go. She's a young woman with a future ahead of her and she needs to sort her feelings and begin adjusting to healthy functional adulthood. You want your daughter to be successful and a good parent herself one day. Let her go seek what's she's looking for and wish her well. Perhaps one day with space, assistance and a bit of time your family will be able to work things out a bit so that you all will be able to have a more comfortable relationship as a family some day. If not, at least improve the current situation.

ChiefGrownup's picture

When was the last time she asked him how HIS day was? When was the last time she thanked him for the phone and roof and food? Oh, yeah, never. Because "finances don't count." She is on the verge of finding out just exactly how much finances do count and what an act of love it is to give over your hard earned cash to the care and feeding of a person to whom you owe nothing.

Nobody's as pure as the driven snow in this situation but Husband has provided for daughter and daughter has said "Die, you fatherless Stepdad!" That's what it boils down to. To me it's pretty clear who is the more effed up and who has swallowed more forced bile.

There is ample evidence for why DH is disengaged to a certain degree. Who cares if he corrects her when needed. I correct my SD when no one else does, too. I USED to do fun things with her but too many elbows in my ribs so no thanks not any more. So the same accusation could be made to me. I know damn well how we arrived at this state of affairs in my house.

Your daughter's father is not your husband. Your daughter needs to figure that out and so do you. Some people only have one parent and some people have no parents. It's not an excuse to lash out. Teach your daughter gratitude and she will be a happier person.

Oh Margie's picture

So Much This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is exactly what I was thinking while I was reading the OP.
I'm not going to comment on the pain your daughter is experienceing except to say that it sounds terrible and I truly do have compassion for what she is going through. BUT...

I also agree that the time to address it is NOT when trying to deflect attention after you come strolling in 30 minutes after curfew. This is an admitedly "hard-headed" kid who I am sure has been no picnic for your husband over the years. "Finanaces don't matter"??? Really kiddo? Ok, then. Poof. Car, gone. Phone, gone.

There has to be give on both sides and I am not posting to be rude but I do feel some upset on your husnbands behalf. To finanacially support a "Hard-headed" ,difficult step kid towards whom he would have no natural loving instinct, because she's not his kid after all and then be told in such a casual way that "the finanaces don't matter".

I hope things get better for your daughter but I also agree that she needs a bit of a reality check.+

ChiefGrownup's picture

I agree the mother needs to teach the daughter some emotional intelligence and I agree the dad is no flawless gem. But even the mom tells us the girl has always been difficult so I think we do have evidence this is a heathen skid with terrible behaviors (love your phrase!).

A non-bio parent cannot always set the tone with a skid when a bioparent is there ruining the whole thing either by tolerating/ignoring bad behavior or endlessly telling the spouse to "be the bigger person."

I doubt this man was actively mean to a 2 year old when they met. OP picked a man who is greatly disengaged with the world in general because of his alcoholism. She could not expect Mr. Checked Out to suddenly be Ward Cleaver with her daughter. The evidence the man has put up with much from the girl is great, in my opinion.

Recently my sd15 fooled me into thinking she might be nice and I fell for it. In return I got left hanging and fell like Wiley Coyote off a red cliff. I was so hurt and angry I told my dh I'm never letting my guard down with her again and he said he agreed, I should not. So my comment about her asking about his day was about this girl treating this man like a human being in his own home. Instead, she thinks he owes her a car and a phone in addition to food and shelter! From his perspective, when will it ever be enough? If she were my girl I had have her showing her appreciation every day. For her own good. So much the better if it makes for a better relationship with sdad.

Disneyfan's picture

But why did he jump on his SK, but ignore his bio kid? BOTH broke curfew but only one gets chewed out.

There have been a number of blogs lately about the double standards in step families. If SMs get feed up with their husbands treating their kids differently from his, I can only imagine how the kids must feel.

AllySkoo's picture

I'm going to come at this from a slightly different angle. I actually give the girl a pass on the "your dad is dead" thing because the adult man brought absent fathers up first. If the adult is going to go for the low blow, I have zero sympathy when it gets turned on him.

As to their relationship as a whole, sure he has NO obligation to be "Daddy". Zero, zip, nadda. In which case he had NO business getting in her grill about curfew. That was none of his damn business, if he's not Dad. So it looks to me like he wants to have his cake and eat it too - he wants to be able to discipline but without having to engage as a parent at any other time. I call bullshit. Too many SMs are faced with the opposite situation, where the bio parent wants them to engage as a parent without being able to discipline, and I think that's equally bullshit. Either half without the other just doesn't work.

Nope, I think you, Iruyas, need to sit your DH down and have a Come To Jesus meeting about his role as stepdad. He wants to disengage, that's his right. But then he needs to ZIP IT. He is NOT to discipline, yell at, fight with, or anything else with your daughter. He has an issue, he brings it to you and you deal with it. And I mean that, you HAVE to deal with it. But the only issues he's "allowed" are ones that affect him directly. Otherwise he can have a nice shut-the-fucupcake and sit down.

On the flip side, talk to your daughter. Tell her that YOU will be the sole parent going forward and DH will no longer be any sort of "disciplinarian". However, as an adult in your household she WILL show him respect and common courtesy.

I think that's about the best you're going to do in the time you have left. I'm sorry, it sounds like your daughter is desperately unhappy and I wish there were more I could tell you to do!

ChiefGrownup's picture

First of all, the boy is 14 while she is 17. It may very well be that she was the driver that night and 14 yr old could not come home until she was ready to get in the car and drive him. Futhermore, it was sdad's car.

Secondly, it is not realistic that an adult be unable to correct a child in their sphere of influence whether disengaged to a degree or not. If it weren't for me intervening my SD would have beaten my SS to death by now. A dog was being mistreated in my home. I myself was being tormented in various ways including having sharp elbows rammed into my ribs.

I did not have to live like that and I wasn't going to. I wouldn't tolerate it from any other random kid nor adult and I wasn't going to tolerate it from her. The fun things I did with her were thrown in my face in various ways so I stopped doing them. So now my relationship with her is mostly that of policeman and miscreant. I'm not allowing certain things in my sphere of influence (my car, my home, my dinner table, at the movies, etc.) period. She doesn't want the fun part that's on her. I do not get stripped of my status as an adult and responsible citizen simply because I got married.

We can disagree or agree on some of these things but I do feel strongly about this point. I've lived it too much.

AllySkoo's picture

I agree with Ripley. In your case, you're talking about physical mistreatment, both of you and your dog. Utterly different from missed curfew by 30 minutes. Yes, OF COURSE if your skids are being physically destructive or abusive to you or anyone else in the home, you have the RIGHT to correct them. (Or call the police.) You would have that same right if one of the neighbor's kids came into your house and did that.

In this case, even though the 14 year old was his kid, he had NO right. What if the 14 year old had been out with his buddies? What if the driver was the 17 year old sister of one of his friends? Would the Dad have gotten all up in some stranger kid's face about why she made his son late for curfew? Or would he have behaved more as Ripley suggested - telling his own kid "If you're going to be late you find a way to let me know. If this happens again you won't be allowed to go out with that person any more." Just because the 17 year old is his skid does NOT give him the right to scream at her, not if he's disengaged. And if he's NOT disengaged, if he thinks he IS a parent, then he's doing a piss poor job and needs to stop.

I stand by my advice. Tell both of them that they do NOT have a parent/child relationship and they are not to behave as if they do.

ChiefGrownup's picture

I can see your point but it was also his car! So he's good enough to give her a car and a phone but has no jurisdiction over how that car is used? She's not an adult yet so he still has liability!

If you're willing to concede there is a point where even a disengaged stepparent can intercede, and you have, then I see we have no disagreement there. If you also want him to just take back his car and phone I guess I could agree to that. Somehow I don't think it would make the skid too happy though.

I still think the answer to that kid's happiness is not looking for sdad to fulfill her every emotional need but to learn to fill her own, starting with gratitude.

ChiefGrownup's picture

I can't abide screaming, either. But op has run her whole life differently than I would have. I applaud her for staring some hard facts in the face and taking steps to solve them. All good.

To me, her problems started a long time ago long before this incident. She needs to get to the bottom of this tangled mess and see what's most important. What's most important is raising her own child to be a decent adult who can cope with life. So start there. Screaming at benefactors and wishing them dead and parentless is not a good life skill. Feeling entitled is not a good life skill. Girl needs to learn better than that far more than she needs to get some gooey gesture from sdad.

Disneyfan's picture

If SD is paying for a phone for his SD, you bet you butt his kid has one as well. His kid knew they weren't going to make curfew, but didn't call to let his dad know.

He may not be the one driving, but he still should have called his dad. Since he didn't call, dad should have chewed both of them out.

When I was growing up my mom and stepdad did not allow us to pass the buck. There's no way that excuse would have worked with my parents. The driver and the one who couldn't manage to make a call would have been in hot water.