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SD14 is a fu*king b*tch

honey0's picture

My BD is 14,so is SD. They go to the same school,and things have been fine untill my fiance and I got together. Then SD stopped talking to BD, and again that wasn't much of a problem,BD was kind of upset but it passed. So now,I've been trying actively to change my BF's attitude towards SD(Your wish is my command),and there has not been that much success-what ever he did to try to discipline her,she'd either find a way around it,or stop talking to him,get all pissy and go to her grandmother's home,or to a friend. So basically he wanted to stop trying because he sees no problem in her behaviour(i'm the only one she's a bitch to,and now my daughter) ,but I told him that he has to keep it up if he wants me to stay. so he did. and things HAVE NOT changed. he set rules - we did,together,but he told her the rules-she would NOT obey. I talked him into punishing her-he didn't give her any money since then,it was a few days ago,he banned her from using the computer,she has limited TV hours,and he replaced her samsung galaxy s plus with an old,regular phone. I tought-this would make a change,since she's a material bitch and not talking to her father does not upset her at all(but he acts as if he's gonna die if she gets angry at him - she claims she lost a lot of respect for him when he decided to be with "that woman" - me ofc). She only maintained good relationships with him since he got serious with me to get stuff.now that he took it away from her,she barely talks to him. but the problem? she still disrespects me,becausse she does NOT care about the punishment. she does not want him to stop the punishment- her grandmother gave her money ( with the explanation "since your father is brainwashed by that woman,i'll give you, you'll never be in need of something,don't worry sweetie") , and her aunt gave her the new phone she recently bought, ITS A FUCKING SAMSUNG GALAXY S III,even more expensive than the one BF took away from her. She's an even worse bitch to me now, and you kno what? ok i can survive that. but the problem? She's ruining my daughters life!
she is popular - well yeah the typical popular girl - rich bitch that the guys chase after and the girls want to be her. that goddamn bitch started turning people against my bd very discretely and subtly. She says bad things about her and shows that she does not like her-so a lot of people stop talking to her,some because they see that SD does not like her so they try to get on her good side by avoiding my daughter (trying to become friends with her because they think it will lead them to popularity ,STUPID SHEEP),and some because they believe the crap she says. my sweetie has been crying about this since she got back from school and it breaks my heart to know that we can't help it. (there is nothing the school can do about it- the so called "authorities" dont give a fuck about whats going on, no one does,it's a fucked up place and it's the only shcool of the type i want my daughter to go to) My bf tried to talk to her,but she says that he would have to eventually choose between me and her,and if he chooses me, she do everything to move to her grandmother / aunt / ANYONE(which is possible in our system,don't ask). That indeed is what I would LOVE to happen,but BF would be heartbroken. i see that hes caught between us,and i even feel tempted to tell him to give it all back to her and be in good relations with her,but i love him,and dont want to be a doormat if i stay with him.
what the fuck do i do?!
how to help my daughter? this fucking bitch is untouchable and i hate her guts,but what do i do?
and how to deal with the SD- BF situation?
thank you all in advance.

also..i dont want to leave him yet . i know i may have to,but i want to try everything because i adore him.

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Purplemom's picture

Honestly? If he won't stand up to his family to not raise a total brat and if he won't stand up for you then leave.

Your daughter is essentially being torured at school by this brat, he is not stopping it, he won't stop his family from treating you poorly, its like pulling teeth to get him to do anything. Why are you with him?

honey0's picture

But what do you mean by standing up to his family?
If he told them to behave to me and SD differently,they would not really give a crap about that,and they would continue their old ways.
He can't really stop them, how could he? If you have suggestions I'd be happy to give him ideas. But how? He cant control his sisters, mother,or actually his own daughter as with their support she's free to do as she pleases.
What do you think he should do?

Purplemom's picture

How old is this kid? As a parent I have control over who my child sees or doesn't see, who they talk to (as far as adults in my family go etc.) I would tell MIL and SIL (If I wre him) "you respect my rules and you respect my SO or you don't see or talk to me or my kid"

If they don't listen, he cuts them off. He is allowing them to ruin his child and disrespect you. He needs to grow a pair and be a man and deal with his family. How does his family have acess to the kid? IF they give her a phone , he takes it. If they give her money, he takes it and puts it away. SHe is HIS child, he is the parent and is responsible for her, there is not a damn thing they can do to stop him from parenting HIS child should he decide to do so.

honey0's picture

She's 14. He can't stop them from seeing her as she can just see them after school or before school when she goes in the afternoon. Her school sometimes has 7, sometimes 6, sometimes 5 or 4 classes a day and it's a huge fukin mess. Sometimes they just dismiss the class for no apparent reason,or the kids skip class with no consequence except for a little "talk" with their main teacher (Idk the term in English for that :S ),which is basically "dont do it again. k? bye." and if they do it again? nothing. Same thing over and over.
It's a very fucked up sistem and there's not much that can be done to fix it-so she can easily meet up with them. we can't pick her up and take her to school because we both work and we can't get out of work to do that.
She can hide the money and stuff (and often we find stuff around the house that is hers, but we have no idea where she got it - so later she admits she got it from relatives,but it's like one or two things we find, we do not know what more she has ), so I don't think he can take it all away,or force her by any way to tell him where it is as she can keep it at her aunt's,grandma's,cousin's or even just take as little as she needs at the moment. Basically she's a SKID FROM FUKIN HELLLLL!!!!
I would rather say that there is not a damn thing he,or anyone,can do to discipline this kid. She doesn't give a rats ass about what other people say,as long as she finds someone to mooch it's all ok to her. the worst thing? if he does what she thinks is right,she'll be a sweet angel. she just gets pissed when things dont go her way.
I'd even just disengage but the bigger problem is what she's doing to MY daughter.

honey0's picture

I do not use this language. I needed to vent, I don't speak like this.
The money is divided,not shared, what's his is his and what's theirs is theirs.

StickAFork's picture

Well, your BF has been a father to her for 14 years, sees no problem with his parenting, and along comes YOU and YOU are trying to change the whole dynamic between them.

Girl, you are setting yourself up for nothing but headaches and heartaches.

My suggestion? Shut up. Let him parent the way he wants to parent. Don't move in with him or marry him until she's grown. Your actions are doing NOTHING but making your life miserable. Can you not see that? The absolute worst part of this is that your actions are now affecting your daughter, and in the ugly world of high school. According to GM, you're brainwashing daddy. While I disagree that it's "brainwashing," she has a point.
YOU ARE TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR BF INTO SOMETHING YOU THINK HE SHOULD BE.

For the record, I disagree with his parenting. I don't and haven't parented my children the way he does. However, you need to recognize, for your sanity, that this is not your battle to fight. Keep your lives separate until she's grown, and enjoy going on dates with him.

attempting_to_maintain_composure's picture

This is also an excellent suggestion, honey0. Disengage from everything, keep your lives separate and bide time until she's gone. What, 4 years? Seems like a long time, but, it can go by quickly.

It's all unfortunate that your BF parents the way he does, but, until he comes to realize on his own that his parenting is bad news, well...there's really not much you can do other than butt heads.

honey0's picture

She won't be gone in 4 years. She finishes highschool at 19 (different system than in western countries), that means she stays in our house untill 19. Then she goes to university,and it's pretty normal here that untill they're done with university,kids are dependent with money and a place to live on their parents (unless they are really poor - which my fiance and his family aren't- ,then the kids work from their early teens) so even if she moves to a bigger city,she will be here often (not a big distance and she would come every weekend as she has friends here and family),so it would not change all that much except for the fact she'll be here less..Not like she's in the house often now,but eh. It's not changing untill she gets a job. Sad

attempting_to_maintain_composure's picture

I get the adoration and not wanting to leave, but, unless your BF stands up for you to SD and tells her to STFU (in a much nicer way, of course) when she tells him to choose between the two of you, then, you might not have any other options.

She's manipulating him and trying to force his hand by telling him he needs to choose and that if he chooses "wrong" she'll leave. And that's F*CKED UP. She thinks it's a game and that it's an either or contest when it so isn't. You're his significant other, she's his DAUGHTER, there's no comparison to be made, but, these twisted SDs make that comparison because someone, somewhere along the line led them to believe that they were the "wife".

And if your BF doesn't tell her as much, then, I'm not sure what else you can do besides leave. That's a big reason why I'm still with my SO, because he finally stood up for me to my SD12 and told her that this isn't a contest or a game and that she's acting inappropriately by trying to make him choose between both of us. Once upon a time, SO had said that he didn't know if a relationship between us could work if SD didn't like me. I had agreed because, at the time, I was sipping the kool aid and didn't think it would be possible myself. But, three years later, he realized the errors of his ways and how it was unfair to put any of us in that kind of a situation because I encompass a completely different role in his life than SD does. He told her all that and told me that he would not let his kid's rotten attitude ruin our relationship. If he hadn't done that, well, then, I would have left.

honey0's picture

He told her in a nice way to be respectful,,and that he does not want to choose,but as I stated before,it does not make a difference and there are no results. Standing up did not work. Being nice did not work. Asking nicely did not work. Then neither did being angry and tough on her. And now even punishment does not work.
NOTHING works on that annoying brat.

I have no idea what to do. Sad

attempting_to_maintain_composure's picture

Because he stated he did not want to choose, I'm figuring that he didn't so much as tell her it isn't a competition between the two of you.

honey0's picture

This school wouldn't do anything if one student beat the fuck out of another Sad
SD is hateful because she has to share fiance, but he tried EVERYTHING before this punishment,but nothing works,as I said up there-whatever he takes away, she will get from someone else.
And I do want to put my rs with my daughter first,but I can't help this?

honey0's picture

Her mother passed away,a long time before I even came into the picture.

I did not really know about the riches untill I met his family -when we were pretty close already. He didn't show much luxury as it's not something he likes-but they do have loads of money and real estate. even now i'm not taking absolutely anything expensive from him-our house is normal size, the stuff he buys me as gifts are regular things because i asked it to be so-it's not about the money.
We've been together for quite a long time,but his daughter wasn't involved much untill we got engaged-it's when she started working against me. Untill then,she saw me as just a woman that will go away soon,like a temporary gf or smtn

honey0's picture

I am not equivocating. He lives in a normal sized house, with normal furniture, his clothes are normal and he took me to normal restaurants with average prices. He drives a car with a normal price,quite old actually. I tought he was average,just like me,untill I met his family and saw all the bling that comes with them. Then we went to visits to his mother and she lives in a huge house,filled with expensive, luxury furniture. His sister wears only luxury brands,and lives in a huge house as well. Their cars are also brand new,they have everything,and I did not know that untill I met them as he never mentioned. Even if we got married,we would have a premarital arrangement that what is his, is his,and what's mine,is mine. he gives me gifts for my birthday, New year, is that so weird ? I give him gifts for these occasions too. Not expensive to me or from me, I don't want to use him so he pays reasonable prices for my gifts as I do for his. Not sure what's so one sided there.
It's not family money,everyone has their own share to do with as they please.

honey0's picture

I can't.
There are a few types of schools in our town-one is for really problematic kids that refuse to do any work,and after that they can work cleaning the streets ,or some other kind of physical work. The worst of the worst kids are there and ofc my DD won't be there!
another is to specialise for a certain "craft" , like automehanic, locksmith, etc.
Then there is one for kids with bad grades-like tourism, catering school , which again is not for my daughter.
and in the end,the school they both go to, a school that provides basic, general knowledge and preparations for university.
So unfortunately I can't move her to another school and this is killing me. I'd prefer it if SD did crap to me all she wants,but left my daughter alone. :sick:

honey0's picture

I can't move. My job skills are transferable,but in the country I live in,it's horribly hard to find a place to live, and even harder - a job. People don't move often,it's very rare and if it happens,it's because they found a better job. BUT,it's hard to get employed at my age, they look for young people usually. It was hard to get a job here, and I can't afford to lose it, I wouldn't have anything.My family can not support me and my daughter. I would moved a long time ago if I only could.

honey0's picture

I can't document the bullying,as she just shows her disliking for my BD and then the kids follow her like sheep.Nothing to document.and i can't change schools, I explained why in the comment above

attempting_to_maintain_composure's picture

I second this. Generalizations and absolute terms are completely asinine. And all they show is that the person using them has very little knowledge about what they're talking about.

honey0's picture

Do you think that if I left my BF, SD would leave BD alone? because if that might be the case-I'll do it. it will break my heart but if it means i'll save my daughter from that crap, i'm doing it.
would it be a good idea to talk to sd about what is she doing,and ask her what could i do to make her stop? if she says that i leave, i leave.
if she asks for something else,i do it , then leave.
may it help?

honey0's picture

I tried to be her friend, I was nice to her. She did not want me there,and put me through hell ever since I got engaged to her father. I want her to be a normal kid with normal relations with people in the family, that is concern. But I've already gone out of my way to make HER feel good, and it has not worked. She has not even said thank you,she has not appreciated it,she only tried to make me and BF break up. I wanted to be in good relations with her,she did not want to. I talked to her, I took her to "girls day" with my daughter and WITHOUT her,nothing worked. she hates me. Because I'm "that woman", i'm hated by her, no matter what i try.
Her father did everything to settle this,he put me down because of her,he did EVERYTHING for her,so oh yes she has an adult looking after her. Just because he's trying to discipline her,does not mean that he's not looking after her,he's trying to teach her something. it may be wrong,and it may not be working,but he's trying with BEST intentions.

And I'm sure they would say that.

honey0's picture

But how would I get her into therapy? There's pretty much no way to get her to do that.

His family members know how she behaves towards me,and they are just fine with that. Some of it they even support. They broke up his previous relationship,his gf that he had before me left because they all hated her and she could not bear to be hated by his family and daughter. So it's not that much about me with their hate-they think we're not good enough,not as good as SD's mom was, and they don't want us in the family. SD's mom was perfect to them,and no one can measure up to her and be good enough for BF. Sucks.

They don't pity her as much as they think that it's right what they are doing,they are teaching her that behaviour since she was a little kid,and BF has been too untill I came into the picture. She was basically taught that she's the center of the world-there's no need to pity her,because her wish is their command,and they will do whatever she wants. Though she never caused problems before the previous gf and me-she's been a golden child untill he had his first gf after her mom's death. And she showed that she does not want her around,her family supported her,and the poor woman left. She did not get in trouble, her dad did not care that much as he did not love that woman, and she still kept the ''golden'' status. now she's doing to me,except that now it's worse since she's older and more maniuplative. tey think that it is right what she is doing - fighting for what she wants,being the boss,being manipulative. basically to them,she is their "sequel" in the world, someone who should take their place to be rich,manipulative and bitchy once. They have no real values and they think that being cold, cruel, bitchy, mean and bossy is the right way to behave and a way to get what you want. ok i get it, it worked for you. but you could teach her something that's actually GOOD. but no. someone should make a movie about them.

honey0's picture

Thank you for the link Smile

My FDH wants her to be happy, but he also wants her to be a normal person,that acts normally and at least respectfully to people in her surrounding. He is very unhappy and disappointed with her treatmant of my daughter,since she's done no wrong to SD. And he does want to change her ways. But he's not willing to let her go, that I know.

Natalia Ely's picture

If there's really a lot of money here, perhaps both girls could go to different boarding schools, first one and then the other. I'm guessing you live in France from the description of the educational system, so there are private schools around. If you are American, there may be an American school; if the SD is not, then some school for French (or whatever) girls.

It's difficult blending families where kids knew each other from school. A boy went to school (probably 50 years ago) with a friend of mine. He was thinking he sort of liked her (unknown to her for 50 years), then, his father married her mother to everyone's surprise. Parents spent a lot of time drinking, he was confused, he persecuted her at school because he just didn't know what to do with his feelings. He and his feelings hurt her dreadfully at the time, and her mother witnessed this with no support or even insight. Fifty years later he tells her be actually liked her and was sorry if he hurt her -- ended up that his son went to the same college as her daughter and the kids and then the adults met. No fireworks there as both were married to others, but it took my friend years after her mother and his father divorced to recapture her self-esteem. Her mother eventually went on to have at least three husbands (in the middle marriage to the boy's father, Mom emulated the atheism of her husband and ridiculted her children's Christian faith, then back to Christianity with her final husband). Her father married four times.

Sometimes I go on like this about how former stepchildren see all their parents and steps because so many people on this site present themselves as the soul of reason dealing with sociopaths. Just remember next time you're despsiing some quality of the stepchild (also known as stepshit here by people who complain that the stepshit does not respect them) that the child's relationship to your spouse may survive your marriage to him/her and that reasonable minds may differ about what's going on with you and the marriage. That is, if you're drinking and ridiculing your children's faith, it may be that you'll have a change of opinion about God or booze. The children (yours or your spouse's) are observing you and drawing conclusions. Given that your opinion may be happiness or despair for the kids, they can be acute observers.

Another thing to consider: the entitled brat who demands material things may be acting under orders, the biological mother's or even her new husband's. With no place to go but YOUR house if they do not comply, they hardly are in a place to disobey.

honey0's picture

I'm not from France, I am from an underdeveloped country in the Balkans. There are not many private schools in this country-there are religious schools (not for our religion) , and the ones that would be perfect to SD's liking- she'd be able to do whatever she wants with NO consequences (well it is like that now pretty much,but even more ) She could behave terribly because in our system if you are rich you are entitled to break the rules and no one will enforce them on you. And in that school,mostly rich , privileged kids go,because an average person here does not have money for that. So she'd be around girls who would support her behaviour and think of it as normal,and that is EXACTLY what FDH is trying to change. so that wouldn't work.
there's a very good (military ) school in our neighbouring country (that we actually originate from) but, SD would LOVE to go live in that city,that's her biggest dream,and sending her there would mean rewarding her,not punishing. and that school would be way too far away,fdh wouldn't let her go there even if she asked herself.

Her mom passed away a long time ago. She can live with her grandmother,aunt, other aunt, or even sister if she got kicked out of our house,which won't happen because FDH adores her,even if she is not good

honey0's picture

I can't move or change schools. I know it won't get any better if it's not dealt with but idk what to do