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Financial Infidelity- AGAIN How do I find ALL of his debt if he won't disclose?

furkidsforme's picture

So I have once again found out that my DH has debt that he has failed to disclose to me. In our 10 year marriage, we have had 3 HUGE blowups around the issue of money and his financial secret-keeping. The last two arguments he has sworn that he had revealed every single last dollar of debt.

So the other night I ask DH if I can use his office computer while he was out, since mine wasn't in the house. He said sure. As I'm at the desk, a letter laying across the printer catches my eye. I see it's from our insurance company, and it says a policy has lapsed. So I take a look. No.... its not a normal late bill. It says that a loan taken out against a universal life policy (payable to BM- per CO) has collected so much interest it now eclipses the cash value of the entire policy, and if we don't pay off some by X day, they forfeit the entire policy.

So I had no idea what a policy loan was, so off to Google I go. Apparently you can cash out equity on a universal life policy. But that charges interest. -From Investopedia: When the loan sits unpaid, the interest that accrues is added to the principal balance of the loan. If the loan balance increases the amount of the cash value, your policy could lapse and risk termination by the insurance company. In the event of a policy lapsing or being surrendered, the loan balance plus interest is considered taxable income by the IRS. If the loan sits unpaid with interest added to the principal, the amount of taxable income could be steep.

And apparently my #$%^&**&^%$ DH has been sitting on this loan NOT PAYING ANYTHING, FOR OVER 10 YEARS because he didn't think about the INTEREST! So lord knows what we could be stuck owing. Either way, we will have to pay it, because we are CO'd to provide her 200K in life insurance if DH dies. So we might be stuck having to pay off this bad loan and losing this policy, AND having to pay a higher premium to start a new one.

So- to my question- Do any of you know a valid way for me to find out ALL of my husbands debt? Because I can't trust him to tell me. Every time it's like this. He tells me half truths, and then sooner or later I innocently stumble across some evidence that he has hidden debt. Each time he SWEARS it was an over-site and was unintentional. Yet it ALWAYS happens again. Sooner or later.

I am so devastated. He knows I think these financial secrets are the same as cheating. Yet he does this to me, again and again. My head is reeling and I have no idea if my marriage even has a foundation.

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furkidsforme's picture

We've recently been working on our credit and I have seen his credit report, and this was not on it. I have seen my own credit report, and nothing of his is on mine.

BSgoinon's picture

Only joint accounts or accounts where you are a "auth user" will show up on your credit.

moeilijk's picture

First of all, you poor thing.

Second, a UL policy is (supposed to be) forever. Is DH CO'd to provide BM with a death benefit forever, or just until the kids age out?

Third, that's very tough. Most credit card debt you can find via equifax or similar (I'm originally from Canada and that's one of the major agencies there). Maybe a PI would know how to get other financial info?

furkidsforme's picture

Some of his debt is unreportable, or difficult to find. Our major blow ups:

#1) Prior to marrying we sat down to share each others debts and create a budget. We did. A few months into the marriage, we are short on money and the car payments are late... yet the budget should be allowing for $800/mo to go to savings. Come to find out... he owed almost $150,000 to his FATHER. I wanted to file for an annulment, but couldn't find a place to move to with my animals.

#2) About 2 years into marriage, I find out from our FARM HAND that the farm is in foreclosure. And that we are entering month 3. DH never told me anything. Said he "didn't want to scare me"

#3) About 2 years ago, so year 8 of marriage. I find out he spent a good portion of our mutual savings without telling me a word about it.

I can't trust him. At all.

always_anxious's picture

I'm so sorry. I suspect my SO has similar debt issues. Luckily I've avoided marriage. Can you just legally sever your marriage so that this doesn't affect you? I mean if you want to keep living with him its your choice.

Spousal responsibility typically depends on the state you live it. Community property states I think are the ones that sucks.

hereiam's picture

I am so sorry.

This is the kind of crap that would be a deal breaker for me. This secret life could devastate a person, financially AND emotionally.

FieryEscape's picture

Your DH sounds terrible with finances ....must make you wonder what else he is hiding Sad 10 years of omissions ...I couldn't stay married to someone like that.

The life insurance loan wouldn't show up anywhere - it's basically a loan to yourself and you pay yourself back with interest to the policy ( is my understanding ).

Amcc13's picture

I agree with others - start with credit report. See what you get from there.

All that being said- he continues to lie about finances - so what else will be lie about?
Personally for me it would be three strikes your out- you deserve more than this

thinkthrice's picture

Aaaaaaaaaand this is why I won't marry again, nor hold joint property, nor joint accounts/finances. I pay all the bills and handle all the finances.

Chef hasn't had a credit line in 12 yrs. And for good reason as he's a spender and thinks money grows on trees.

Can u divorce and file innocent spouse on your taxes? I had to get Chef out of a taxes jam b/c he filed jointly with the Girhippo back in 05. She "forgot" to report that she had raided all three skids college funds.