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Please I need some advice. New relationship, already having problems.

brazilian_30's picture

Hi everyone, I am writing from Brazil, I ran into this forum because I spent the last two days online looking things up about step parenting after an ugly fight with my boyfriend.

I was dumped by my fiance one year ago, was very depressed for several months, then found someone online who made me smile again. He is a great guy and we have a wonderful connection. But he is divorced and has a 5 year old. I met the boy about 4 or 5 times, and the first times were great we went to the zoo, movies, talked and played. Last time I saw him everything was going fine until his dad hugged me and called me baby. The child immediately started to ignore me and give me faces. I did not do anything and just let him be.

My boyfriend and I are in a long distance relationship but we see each other every weekend and we are planning to move in together in November, since my new apartament is going to be ready and he is planning on starting to spend 15 days in my city and 15 days where he currently lives. Since he needs a place to stay here and I was about to move to this new apartament, we thought it would be convenient for him to stay with me when he comes to my city.

The fact is he already anticipated that when he moves in and his son comes to stay with us during the weekends he has him, the Ex is going to cause trouble. She is not over the divorce and gives him a hard time guilt tripping him that he rarely sees the boy and when he does he brings "his ladies" along.

I think I could deal with the ex if he was willing to give me the importance I want to be given. Last time I saw the kid, I later asked my boyfriend if I should worry about the way the kid had treated me that day. He said I should try not to speak so loud when I am around the boy because this makes him unconfortable. I come from an Italian family and that is just the way I speak, I have never even addressed the kid if not to be nice and playful, so I dont think he has any reason to think I am being loud because of anything other than I am just excited to see him.

Then I told my boyfriend that people have different voice tones and if his kid cannot get used to that he will have trouble getting used to much worse things he will have to face in his life. And that I dont think I should change to be accepted by his son, as I plan to accept him as he is. He then proceeded to say I am being childish, selfish and inflexible.

Is this a red flag? Should I stop this now? Please I really need your input since I am starting to dread this future I was just recently looking forward to. I am 30 and childless and he is my first relationship since my broken engagement, am I in too much of a hurry? Should I give up this man I already love and wait for someone without kids?

P.S: this is not an easy child, in the words of my in-laws...he is having trouble in school, beating other kids and even the teacher, and even his bio mother calls frequently complaining that he doesnt listen to her and has a bad attitude at home.

harriet's picture

Run. Run far away. You haven't been with this guy very long. People show their best faces at the beginning of a relationship. This is only going to get worse.

Not_what_I_wanted's picture

Yes this is a HUGE red flag. It will most likely just get worse, esp if the dad does not stand up for YOU, but coddles his son instead. RUN FAST>

brazilian_30's picture

Thank you all for the replies. About the ignoring and making faces, he just told me to leave the boy alone. That is what I did. There is much more to this story. Which I think will make your replies even more discouraging. He had a first marriage when he was 17 after the girsl got pregnant. They were together for 7-8 years. When he married the second wife (the 5 y.o's mom), his first wife also remarried. By the time they were expecting their second kids (from the new marriages), the first boy fell into depression and jumped out the window. He killed himself at 12. This adds up to the guilt he must feel about this second child.
I guess I don't have to say more, right? Ill prepare my running shoes...(sigh).

Purplemom's picture

So my question is how much therapy has Dad had? What has he done to make sure that he has the skills to deal with those issues (and after your child kills himself, who wouldn't have those issues?!) The fact that he wants the worl dto adapt to his son and not to prepare his son to be able to adapt to the world is very troubeling.

Run.

amber3902's picture

"he is having trouble in school, beating other kids and even the teacher, and even his bio mother calls frequently complaining that he doesnt listen to her and has a bad attitude at home."

BIG, HUGE RED FLAGS here. Yes, you should run. Instead of addressing his son's bad behavior, he attacks you and calls you names.

But you don't have to necessarily wait to find someone who doesn't have kids. The problem isn't finding someone who doesn't have kids, the problem is finding someone who if they happen to have kids, is a GOOD parent that makes their kids mind.

I'm dating someone right now who has no problems with my bios - why? Because, he says, they are WELL BEHAVED. That makes all the difference in the world.

dj's picture

Please get out now!!! The kid is only 5 he will grow up I have a sd9 and for thr first couple months it was ok then BOOM!! If I knew then what I know now as much as I love my BF I would leave him....and that's sad cause its not his fault but especially if he tries to change u in any way....you are young and don't have baggage - have 2 kids of my own....please get a fresh kidless start...

emotionaly beat up's picture

Sweetheart, your intuition is telling you to get out of this that this man is going to give you a whole lot of grief. Speaking of grief, your fiance dumping you would have been devastating. You would have suffered a loss similar to any other, similar to a death. It takes at least two years to get over something like this. If you try to cover your pain by filling the void with another man it can only lead to disaster. And, in this case it clearly has. You need time, time alone to mourn the loss of your fiance. You are entitled to that.

What you are seeing here are red flags all right, Great Big Red Flags and you must let this relationship go. This is only going to get far, far worse.

He is already laying blame on you. His child is clearly jealous of you, and your boyfriends response is not to reassure his son, but to tell you, you talk to loud and make his son uncomfortable.

You are 30 and childless. I see that as a typical young woman who has the world at her feet and many, many opportunities for a wonderful life. You see that as over the hill, no man will ever want me, I will never have children. I am right, you are wrong Smile Just for the record both my daughters were in their thirties before they had their first child. Smile The eldest 37 has just given birth to her 3rd health baby. Seems once she worked out what makes babies she was off and running.

My husband is like this man as are the husband's and partners of any others on this site. They do not change. Even if you find a way to live with it, there is aways the undercurrent of resentment from them because they will never accept that they have created or contributed to the problem with their children. It is aways someone else's fault, and in your case it will always be your fault.

This man's son has serious issues and at 30 you should be having serious FUN.

I am in a second marriage. My husband was estranged from his children when we met and married. I stupidly encouraged him to have a relationship with them. His daughter is the spawn of Satan. She never let up, even had a baby to try and break up our marriage. She made my life a living hell. Like your boyfriend my husband blamed me for every single thing. His daughter was 20 when I first met her and 29 when I told her she was not welcome in my house ever again. It was a horrendous 8 years, it destroyed my self esteem and my confidece. It caused me severe health issues and anxiety. She has been out of my life for just over a year, and only recently her boyfriend bailed me up and started more issues. My husband even blamed me for that. I was bailed up in the shopping centre, never saw this boy coming, and my husband said it was all my fault I shouldn't have listened to him.

I had 8 years of it all being my fault. I was too sensitve, I took everything the wrong way, I just didn't like his kids, I just didn't want him to have a relationship with his kids, I was just looking for trouble on and on and on he went for years. I was a mess. His daughter was pure evil. She made it clear she wanted to see us both dead and even then his response was, she doesn't mean it He defended her no matter what she did to him, to me, to anyone, she was never at fault it was everyone else. This is the life you are heading into. She reversed into a parked car once, and hit someone's car and took off. Someone had seen her do it and got her number plate. The police became involved and she was made to pay for the damage. Her response and worse still my husband's response. It was not her fault, it was all the fault of the person who took down her number plate, they needed to mind their own business. This family is completely amoral. I didn't get to see how he was as a father before I married him, you are lucky you are being given a sign of what is to come. GET OUT.

Before you convince yourself that your love is different let me tell you something. He was the love of my life, my soul mate I had never loved anyone as I loved him, his happiness came before everything to me. I never thought it possible to love anyone the way I loved him, the kicker, I thought he loved me too. Turned out once I saw the real man, he was too in love with himself to truly be able to love anyone else. He convinced me he was someone else, he wined, dined and charmed me. Not as it turns out because he loved me as I loved him, but he saw in me someone who would take care of him, who would always put him first, he was selfish. The history of your boyfriend is doomed to repeat itself, because he also takes no responsibility.

You are thirty, my youngest is also 30. It would break my heart if she were in your situation, please do not hesitate please leave. Leave and do not leave looking for someone else to fill his shoes, give yourself some time to heal, you will find that once you learn to like yourself, you will make better choices for yourself. You will not settle for anything less than respect from anyone, and neither you should. Someone who has clearly failed at parenting and who refuses to accept that, worse still passes the blame onto another (you), stay well clear of. Listen to your gut.

brazilian_30's picture

Thank you all for your help, I am always touched when people take the time to write supportive words to a complete stranger, I really appreciate that. I will have a serious conversation with him and ask him what he expects of me. He has told me he wants to marry me and make me happy so I do not see how being second best is equivalent to that. I will not be an outsider. If he is willing to be a team with me and trust me with his kid, then I can bend to do whatever I can to make us happy as a family. If he insists that his child is his problem, then I walk away.
I wish you all the best, you all have my sincere admiration. Smile

emotionaly beat up's picture

Curlysue, I married a man with grown children and none of them ever lived with us, but let me tell you, they can be far more manipulative, greedy, self centred and evil than any younger child could ever hope to be. Adult children have had years and years of daddy's wallet being theirs, and it will be a cold day in hell before they will let anyone come between them and daddy's wallet. I'd take my chances with younger kids any day - That's how bad adult kids can be.

MarriedaBallessWonder's picture

You can say that again! About 2 years ago my very sweet Aunt who was 74 married a man that was 80.

While they were courting for a year he treated her like a princess (as she ought to be). She never met his girls, who are in their 60's. Her kids were thrilled with her finding love again. Everyone thought it was a beautiful love story.

My Aunt finally met his girls at their wedding. The girl were horrible bitches to my Aunt. When my Aunt and her new H got back from a short honeymoon the hell with the daughters started.

They would call my Aunt and tell her she was a gold digger (which she wasn't, she had her own money and she dearly loved him) They would accuse my Aunt of abusing him and stealing and all sorts of other unthinkable things. My poor Aunt was harassed and hurt by them so badly on a daily basis that she filed for divorce after only 9 months. He was crushed and cried but his daughters convinced him she was only after his money.

Sad huh.

brazilian_30's picture

Just an update. Had a serious conversation with him and he said I am right.

That he agrees that our relationship should come first because he trusts that I am a good person and also want the best for his son.

He said it is hard for him to admit that his child misbehaves and that he feels guilty when he disciplines him because the boy says he wants his mommy and then my BF fears he will not want to spend time with his dad anymore. He accepted my suggestion to send the kid to counseling, and he even mentioned he also should seek the help of a professional to learn what the best way would be to raise this child, since he cannot expect the bio mom to be mature about this situation.

I told him I will not live with him until I really feel confident in my heart that he and I will be a team and that we both will do what is in our reach for this child to be prepared for life.

I will keep my eyes and ears open and delay any plans of moving in together.

Thanks again everyone.

emotionaly beat up's picture

You need to be very very very very careful here. They say talk is cheap. Sweet talk is free because it is worthless.
Seriously, how did you expect him to answer. When a wife asks het husband is he having an affair, do you think they say yes of course I am. No they lie. Even though they are unhappy in the marriage and want out they lie. They do this to save themselves. They want to walk on their own terms so they sweet talk and bed the SO until they are ready to dump her.

When someone shows you who they are BELIEVE them. He has well and truly shown you who he is believe his actions not his words. Believe the actions he has shown you before he felt threatened you'd leave. Not the performance he will give you in the short term.

This is not just or even about whether he does or does not discipline his child. It is about how he has treated you about how he has spoken to you. The way he has spoken to you. It is about his history as a father and a husband

He cannot change who and what he is because you had this conversation. He can hide who and what he truly is from you for a while because you had this conversation.

If he does a complete 360 overnight you should be very very worried.

emotionaly beat up's picture

Marriedaballess I am so very sorry for your aunt. No one deserves that.

Lesson to be learned know the father before you make him a husband. These grown daughters are not about to let their inheritance go. If they have to break dad's heart and wait for him to die a slow and lonely life. Oh well no matter. They're happy. The money is all theirs again.

Daughters like this will be run over by a fully loaded karma bus one day.

Your aunt married a weak man. She is better off out of the life he was and would continue to give her. He brought these women up to be like this. He should be ashamed of himself for what he has done to your aunt. Massively ashamed.

amber3902's picture

OP - Listen to emtionaly beat up
She is right, your BF will say what you want to hear.

Please read my blog. I dated a man who did the same thing. He said I was right about his son's behavior, he said he didn't want to discipline his boy because he didn't want to ruin the little bit of time he had with him. He said he would change.

He got a little better, but if it is in a person's nature to be a lazy, guilty parent it is hard for them to change the way they are.

Yes, don't move in together. Having a long distance relationship it is very hard to see a person's true colors. Good luck to you.

brazilian_30's picture

I am listening and setting my boundaries. I will keep him my boyfriend for now. The kid will go to counseling. I will not move in together for now. I will talk to his family since they like me and want to be supportive. He wants to be a better man, but I know about wanting not being enough. After my breakup I know that I dont need any man. And the only reason for me to stay will be if I am happy. I have loving family and friends, a career that I love and also I cant have natural kids of my own so there is no other reason, no staying out of fear or need or loneliness. I keep my focus on being the type of woman I myself would admire, whether that is someone who gives this man a chance and learns to love somebody else's kid or someone that knows when it is time to leave.
Anyways, I really appreciate all your inputs, they have been very helpful.

Lauren B's picture

"To hell with what HE expects of YOU. That's the reason behind my dread and hopelessness where women are concerned. Too many are way too busy trying to live up to his expectations and not only allowing him to push them aside, but busy pushing themselves aside for the sake of love. What matters in this situation is what YOU expect of HIM."

THIS ^^^

This is the fundamental problem with (a lot? most? too many?) women today, in a nutshell. Well said, sueu2.

amber3902's picture

Sue - it's frustrating, yes, to see someone going down the same path we went down. We KNOW the heartache and pain it's going to cause them. But unfortunately people have to learn for themselves. I do have hope for the OP - she has said she is not moving in with him, so that's a good sign.

OP - I would just repeat what Sue has said. Your MAN is the problem. And counseling is not what the kid needs. He needs guidance and discipline. Take it from a mother of two. It is the PARENT's job to make the kid behave. Counseling is to help deal with emotional issues, not behavior problems.

I wish you the best. It sounds like you're going down the same path I went. I dated my ex-BF for a year, we talked about living together, but when I saw how misbehaved his son was, I postponed it. I kept postponing moving in together until finally I saw that things were never going to improve to where I needed them to be. In my situation I also had my two daughters to think of which helped me be strong. But it wasn't easy breaking up with him. But when I come on here and read the stories that some of the SMs are going through, I know I made the right choice.

emotionaly beat up's picture

Brazilian-30 I sincerly wish you the best of luck. You are a grown woman and you have made your decision. I would ask you to please not mingle finances at this stage and if you have any assets, cash, property etc., that you make sure it remains yours in the event this does not work out.

I will say this, you want to give him a chance, fair enough. But what sort of a time frame are you putting on that. Mine was 8 years. I had no idea I would be so stupid for 8 years, oh yeah, that's right, I loved him, I wanted him to be happy, I wanted to be a supportive wife.

Please make sure you do not put yourself into this relationship as anything but an equal to your partner, and NOT equal to his child, you should be more than that. The love he has for his child should be unconditional sure, and he should feel that he would put himself in front of a speeding train for his child, however, he should feel the same about you, and you should absolutely come first in the relationship. If a husband and wife each put the other first, the love that flows from that relationship benefits the child. The child will grow up in a happy, loving home.

Now when I say put the marriage and each other first, let's not be stupid here I am not suggesting that if there is one slice of bread in the house, then you two get half each and the child gets nothing. If the child needs to be rushed to hospital and you two are in the middle of watching a good movie or planning to go out for dinner, then the child waits. I am saying you need to apply common sense. The childs needs are very important, the child's wants, well they are not. Can your boyfriend distinguish between the two.

As far as talking to the family goes, I have a story for you. My very best friend has a child who has been a handful since forever. In a lot of trouble all his life. Even at one point was using drugs. He was never able to find a decent girl, all the girls he brought home were equally as trashy as he was. Well he eventually found a girl that was a bit better than the rest. My friend liked this girl, she knew the girl had issues, but she was the best he had hooked up with. This girl confided in my friend, and my friend was all for keeping her son in a relationship with this girl, she thought this girl would be able to keep her son on the straight and narrow. The boy eventually married this girl, and his mother bent over backwards to please this girl and to be 'friend' with her. She did none of this for the girl. She did it all for her son. She knew her son was a loser, and she wanted this girl to take care of her son. Your boyfriends parents will be no different. They are too emotionally involved in all of this to give you good guidence, and they have too high a stake in it. All mothers want what is best for "their" kids, they will make their opinons and decisions based on what is best for their son. If you want to run this past a family, run it past YOURS, and see what they think. They will want what's best for YOU.

brazilian_30's picture

Emotionally beat up, I can't thank you enough for your words. You are totally right about his family. And about mine. My parents are my thermometer and they surprisingly like my boyfriend and are being supportive. And they do not have reasons to think I should settle for less than I deserve since I have always been a go-getter. I moved back with my parents after my breakup and in my country this is fairly normal, girls and boys live at home until they get married. I am financially independent and my first own apartament is about to be ready but I am not in a hurry to move out. My parents are my best friends and they have been spending time with my guy and they like him. As I said, I will keep my eyes and ears open.

emotionaly beat up's picture

Good. That's all anyone ask. I don't think you are an idiot. But I have never been an idiot either. Unfortunately women in love are more prone to making idiotic choices which seems to make the men we love treat us like idiots. Make sure you are completely honest with your parents. They need to know how he speaks to you in private in order to make good decisions about him. Take care and protect your finances.