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looloo's picture

There seems to be a common personality disorder that runs through each of these step daughters in these forums. I am going to concentrate on stepdaughters in this post as I am wondering if stepsons even share the same exact personality disorders. Mine do not. SD34 is the classic personality described in the Huffpost article "10 pitfalls of being a daddy's girl" In my amatuer research, my SD is a sociopath. As I understand it, sociopaths and narcissists are similar but differ in one instance. Narcissists hurt others and dont care, Sociopaths hurt others and enjoy it. I am open to correction here but what I am really trying to understand is this. I have a very smart friend. She says SD34 is bipolar. I do not think this is true because isnt bipolar chemical? And if she is bipolar then it would seem every daddy's girl as in my research is bipolar. Do I see her as being depressed? Yes, but she is also an alcholic! Do I see her as grandiose and delusional? yes, but these are also traits of a sociopath. I shall leave all this here and would love to hear the forums thoughts. As far as my SS29. I have always viewed him as more of a passive agressive. In other words, I see his laziness as more of an act defiance! And he is a wimpy mama's boy who is yep, you guessed, married to a daddys girl!

The BM is loaded with personality disorders as is my DH. It has come to a point where I can not deal with it all anymore. I want to have peace but this for another post. My problems all resemble so many in these forums so I wont go into the details. Thanks for your thoughts..

tog redux's picture

She's probably not a sociopath -most likely has Borderline Personality Disorder. That's the most common disorder described on this board. Sometimes narcissism accompanies that, but the hallmark is the emotional instability and moodiness that can look like bipolar, but isn't. People with narcissistic and borderline personality disorders lack empathy, but that doesn't make them sociopaths - just very focused on themselves and their own needs, and unable to see things from another person's perspective.

looloo's picture

For your reply. The reason I believe she is sociopathic is because how she has, in the past, deeply hurt her father and then laughs about it! About 4 years ago, she wrote him off and sent the most evil laced texts, she doxed our business, she slandered us to friends and family and then laughed at us when we found out! She loves to use emotional blackmail. If he misbehaves (preceived or otherwise) she will withhold texts until he is over the top worried she may have killed herself! She knows exactly what she is doing and to me, that is hurting with intent and deriving pleasure from it. I have known her since she was 12. She has always been very cruel to my kids and my animals. Perhaps I don't know what a sociopath is but she goes beyond narcissism. 

tog redux's picture

That's all Borderline stuff. They are black/white thinkers. Once someone becomes an "enemy" they deserve all they get, in their minds. She'd probably convinced herself that he "abused" her and so hurting him is what he deserves. Sociopaths hurt innocent people. In her mind, he's not innocent. 
 

Hurting animals makes it more likely she could be a sociopath. Why does he have anything to do with this disturbed person?

looloo's picture

Exactly why I can no longer take this! She was not in our lives much since she was 12 and came back when she needed money. She worked for us for a time and of course daddy only wants to "help" her! She got mad about something he did and torched everything on her way out. 4 years later she comes back around because she is broke and on the street. Now she is back and causing MAJOR problems in our marriage. It will come down to me or her eventually. 

looloo's picture

to do with such a person is a very interesting question. It is because she is his narcissitic supply right now! He "feels" better having her around because it boosts his ego as a father to be "helping" her! Just like the article says, they are more like boyfriend and girlfriend. Its volitile! If she doesnt text for a day, he is freaking out that she is mad and disowning him again. Its all so WEIRD!! Why am I still here,,, is the real question!! 

Harry's picture

You can them go from normal to crazy in like two seconds. 
The Bigger point is if there nuts. They are nuts.  You can play the lable game.  And it is a game because there no real test. It's like is it a cold or flu ??  If you answer a d f. Yes it's this.   Most of the time you can't do anything.  We all see on the movies and TV   These people get treated and better.  That not true in life, either they are smart and have control to cover it up  or they are on the streets. 
 

advice.only2's picture

I believe Spawn is a Narc/ASPD. My friend told me one time that Spawn and her daughter were talking and Spawn told the daughter she loves to lie because she's good at it and people believe her. Spawn was 16 at the time and that sent chills down my spine to know she was that cold and calculated. When she posted on social media that she would like to "purge me" I believed her and lived in actual fear. Spawn has a lot of Meth Mouth in her, and Meth Mouth was the kind of crazy that you just never know what they might do. I mean crap Meth Mouth showed up at her exes house, broke down the door and beat him with a tire iron all because their son said his dad took him to get ice cream.

looloo's picture

All except the tire iron. Odd how all these personal stories sound like they're describing the same person! 

caninelover's picture

She has extreme victim mentality, blames other for anything that goes wrong, but then will brag about the dumbest things as huge accomplishments.  She is extremely self absorbed and doesn't care about the feelings of others.

looloo's picture

She will brag about stuff she never did! Famous people she has never met! Make it sound like men are in love with her..

Ispofacto's picture

All Sociopaths are narcisissts but not all narcissists are sociopaths.

sociopath = narcissist + 

parasitic lifestyle

chronic irresponsibility 

failure to fulfill obligations

pathological lying

criminality

duping delight

recklessness

 

looloo's picture

He co-signed on her car about 5 years ago and she ran out on the payments and did not tell us! Our credit was wrecked and still is!!! We had to end up paying the payments for the rest of the term (about 3 years) so that we could buy a home! She never ever said thank you for paying off my car or Im sorry for running off on the payments. She comes back around and it starts all over again! He acts like he has forgotten the whole thing and never brought it up to her again! This is just one of the many jerky things she has done to us! 

Kaylee's picture

Ex's daughter has MANY of these traits...I think she has BPD: 

Her friendships are intense but short lived.

She binge drinks, and indulges in high risk sexual behaviour. 

Moods are very volatile

Has that irrational fear of abandonment.. when Daddee dates a woman, she "is losing him" 

Extremely jealous and possessive

Flies off the handle at things others would see as trivial.

looloo's picture

That every decription is the same! This is my SD exactly! We can not all be exagerating or imagining things!!! How does this happen? Is there something about our SO? Is it us? Its very strange! 

Wicked stepmo.'s picture

OSD is histrionic personality DO. Similar to BPD except she is more like a chameleon. 

- Presents as charming, fun loving, charismatic

- over sexualized and uses that to gain attention. Requires constant attention and to always be the center of attention.

- can function in school and most likely employment but lacks the skills to be successful.

- is completely self-involved she cannot see outside of herself, her wants. She lacks empathy.

- she does not have a personality of her own. She takes on the personality and interests of whomever she is trying to have a relationship with.

- is a compulsive liar, who convinces herself her lies are true . Will end a relationship or become enraged if her faults or lies are pointed out to her. 

- everything bad that happens to her is someone else's fault. 

- she has a ready made excuse for everything. 

As far as BM goes, I am not sure exactly which personality DO she has I refuse to interact her with long enough to truly find out. She seems more BPD as she gets enjoyment from playing the victim. 

thiscantbenormal's picture

You described DH's ex here and add a dash of munchausen. I'm not sure where she is at on empathy but wouldn't be surprised if it is there its just to keep up appearances.  We know people who knew her in high school and they said she was bat shit crazy in high school.  It took her 2.5 years to do a CNA program that the general population can complete in 6 months and failed getting a higher degree atleast twice. But DH said she used to brag about getting A's on her tests.  

The kids can recite all the details of her past "abusive" relationships.  Of course she leaves out what she did.

Her oldest son is hyper sexual and my twin stepdaughters are going through sexual identity crisis for the last 2.5 years.  The only thing we heard about the institualized SD is that she is really messed up but im sure she's just being her moms mini me on the crazy scale.  And I thought she was going to be the only one of the bunch to not get a mental illness diagnosis but guess she had me fooled.  Maybe she is destined for HPD.

looloo's picture

- Presents as charming, fun loving, charismatic

Yes and she fools so many at first although I will say her very loud voice is off putting and usually no matter how charming she is, most don't like her. 

- over sexualized and uses that to gain attention. Requires constant attention and to always be the center of attention.The way she ran around the house this past summer was so embarrassing! She was hanging out all over the place in front of her father and I

 

- can function in school and most likely employment but lacks the skills to be successful.She was straight A in school. I wish I had a dime for everytime my DH reminds me of that,,,but she can not function in the real world!!! 

 

- is completely self-involved she cannot see outside of herself, her wants. She lacks empathy.zero empathy! Its all about her. She does not even like being around my family because they take away the attention from her. She always askes daddy to take her out alone! 

 

- she does not have a personality of her own. She takes on the personality and interests of whomever she is trying to have a relationship with.

She is absorbed with reality shows to the point of obsessive! She honestly believes she could be on one! 

 

- is a compulsive liar, who convinces herself her lies are true . Will end a relationship or become enraged if her faults or lies are pointed out to her. 

Grandiose lies all the time about her past jobs with celebrities. But somehow her jobs fall through or she quits. 

 

- everything bad that happens to her is someone else's fault. 

Always her parents fault that she is a loser! 

 

- she has a ready made excuse for everything. 

Every day and every way. She never has money but that is because she blows it when she does have it, on frivolous things for herself! 

As far as BM goes, I am not sure exactly which personality DO she has I refuse to interact her with long enough to truly find out. She seems more BPD as she gets enjoyment from playing the victim. 

I would call her mother a maignant narcissist. Look that one up! She is the meanest nastiest vengeful difficult person I have ever met! Terminal victimhood is her middle name! 

Lifer33's picture

She's a nightmare then. I wrote an epic piece and it got lost. Bipolar and bpd might be barking up the wrong tree as they can both be highly empathetic. She definitely sounds somewhere along the 'antisocial personality' whether sociopath or psychopathy. 

Wicked stepmo.'s picture

Started at 12 SD walking around with all her goods hanging out, posting soft porn of herself on social media. 

He was an honor student until the work started to get hard and she would actually have to apply herself, she won't because that takes away from her social media time. 

It's ok her grades are poor it's because she is depressed. 

It's not her fault she got black out drunk. Her friends made her do it and then just blamed her so they wouldn't get in trouble with Thier parents. 

Kaylee's picture

OMG this all resonates!! 

Ex SD: 

Walks around the house in ultra tight pants, with low cut tops...

At her cousins wedding wore a skin tight dress, plunging neckline, slit up the thigh... when my sister saw the family group photo, she asked "who's the hooker photo bombing??" LOL 

Every thing that has ever gone wrong in her life is NEVER her fault. Got that? NEVER!!  

Failure to get jobs is the interview panel fault... they were all assholes. 

Daddee doesn't give her support, doesn't understand her, never has her back, bla bla bla 

When she failed her licence, it wasn't her fault, it was the testing officers fault because he was an asshole...

Jojo4124's picture

I agree....I believe my ex sd is a narcissist.  She was spoiled with no correction growing up...permissive parents who worshipped her more than the other two triplets ( the other way to create a narc is severe abuse). My first husband is a narc, so her games were familiar.  

No empathy for anyone. If she deems you 'did her wrong' (like asking her to pick her thongs up out of common areas) she was a victim and you are now part of her flying monkey circle of smear campaign. Drama. Manipulative. 

And everyone, including incestuous daddeee worships this helpless 23 yo. Sooo sad ppl live this way. I didn't need another narc in my life or a husband who worships her n throws me under the bus. He even said to me, her name is Isabella. Only her friends call her Issy. Well, I don't want to be part of the Issy club.

But the parents created this narcissist. If you worship a child they turn into one. 

Neither Issy nor her dad will ever know real love. Narcissism isn't curable. So she will never know deep feelings or connections. He won't either because he has made her his god.

Catmom024's picture

I used to think SO's daughter was a psychopath.  I really don't know what she is.  She's extremely manipulative, lies constantly, cons people (including teachers), was somehow an honor student but read and wrote on about a 4th grade level in Sr high.  Failed out first semester in college.  No fear of the law because the rules don't apply to her so has been arrested several times for drug dealing and forging and cashing checks...always gets out of it basically. Drug addiction issues.  All about instant gratification.  No friends except one poor individual who she drops like a bad habit when something better comes along.  Turns on people in a heartbeat.  Always a victim.  When she got pregnant that wasn't her fault, she was a victim of an unplanned pregnancy {{eye roll}}.  Didn't have a full time job until her mid 20's.  Totally delusional, thinks everything should be given to her because she's special.  Punishes her father by withholding her attention until he does what she wants.

I blame it all on poor parenting and her father having guilty daddy syndrome .  He claims she has anxiety...poor thing...

Rags's picture

In large part because I did not want to propegate my condition or saddle children with it, or their children with it.

So, why would adults with psychological, behavioral, or emotional illnesses have children?

Sounds selfish, self agrandizing, and wrong to me.

My DW has a cousin (her BioDad's Brother's daughter's daughter) who sadly was abused and neglected as a child.  She is hell bent on breeding her own herd of unconditional love minions. Not for her to love unconditionally, but to love her unconditionally.

People like these toxic mentally/emotionally/behaviorally ill BioParents and the breeding for unconditional love abused child/adults are the poster children for requiring a license to breed.  They have no business breeding and propegating their crap.

smh

My mom once told me, when I was in my anxty teen years, that we all inherit baggage from our parents. That baggage becomes our  issues to resolve.  People who do not resolve their own issues, have no business having children.

IMHO of course.

looloo's picture

The problem is, these people, as part of their personality disorders, think they are magnificient, the greatest, best parents, perfect! It is that perfection, when it is challenged, that turn them into raving animals because they can not have their glass house cracked at all! Her mother will go to her grave thinking she was the greatest mother ever! And the daughter??? She has so many gifts that we are all just lucky to be part of her world. Its very frustrating! 

looloo's picture

It is so frustrating when DH makes excuses for her spoiled manipulative tactics! He says "She texts me incessantly all day and then I won't hear from her for a few days" so this means she is Manic??..No dear husband, it means your darling daddys girl is playing games with you! When she does not get the exact response she feels she deserves, she goes cold for a few days as a means of 'punishing" you!!

She loves for him to frantically text her "are you ok?? are you ok? Please answer!" that gives her the power she so viciously requires! But he would rather think she has some mental disorder than to realize she is just plain evil! Its so maddening and sadly it is never going to get better! anyone else have this issue? DH ALWAYS making excuses for nasty cunning behavior?? 

looloo's picture

You are so right! I am shocked at the amount of texting that is going on! All through the Superbowl then last night all through dinner and after... he tries to ignore for a little while and it continues! Its obsessive!! EVERY NIGHT!!

So last night he decides to go up to bed at 8pm!! Why?? because she has been texting 100s of texts he hasnt answered and NOW he is starting to sweat! Worried he is not responding in a timely fashion! It crazy!!! They are sick!! 

Dogmom1321's picture

What I have found to be JUST as bad as BPD is SDs and BMs having the "victim" mentality. You cannot say ANYTHING to either of them without them getting extremely defensive. They both have the mindset of "me vs. the world". They think everyone is working against them (almost paranoia even). SD receives constructive criticism about an assignment from her teacher... she bursts into tears to DH "She just hates me and wants to make me feel bad!!!" Um, no. Your teacher is trying to help. But you take everything SO personally, no one can say ANYTHING to you. I worry how she will EVER hold a job since she can't have anyone correct her. Also, plays the blame game. When she does something wrong, it is always someone else's fault or someone "made her do it". I can't stand people with this mindset!!!

looloo's picture

Everything you said and then some! And let me be your glimpse of the future...she WONT hold a job! My SD is 33 and she has yet to hold a job for more than a few months! She starts out all excited and enthusiastic and then something goes wrong but it is NEVER her fault and daddy just sighs and calls it mental illness...

Rags's picture

"Perfect" parents do not raise shitty children.  I also believe that personality disorders, develomental disorders, phsychological disorders are no excuse for shitty behaviors and parents of kids with these issues owe their children and broader society the responsibility of raising these kids with clear standards of behavior and performance.

Tolerating crappy kid behavior, regardless of developmental issues, etc....,  is failing as a parent.

IMHO of course.

looloo's picture

But as the saying goes...their mind is like a steel trap, nothing gets out, nothing gets in! As true narcissists it is NEVER their fault not even how their kids turned out..it is the other parents fault or the kids or something BUT NEVER them! Its very frustrating being caught up in this. He has 3 and they are ALL 3 bad people with countless disorders. I have 3 and they are all 3 good productive intelligent well grounded people. I agree with you, that is not accidental. Something in the parenting went horribly wrong and me caught up in it, trying to makes sense of things that will never make sense is where I am spinning in an endless abyss. It is time to get out of this once and for all. 

looloo's picture

When our kids are young, we, if we are good parents, teach our kids to be good. "Honey, say thank you" "Bobby, what do you say to the nice lady?? We remind them time and again to say please and thank you. Why do we remind them constantly? Because people are not born "good" they have to be taught to be good. Reminded to be good! I have known my SKids since they were young. I watched the tug of war between the Bio parents. Both indulging their kids so they could 'win; them over. "say thank you??? No,,...you are entitled to that new car because your sister got one! (true story) there was no rewards for GOOD behavior.. they were entitled to things! I told him..don't do it..you are creating a monster!!...but he kept on...desperate to "win" them from their mother...So what have we now?? 3 very bad adults! Personality disorders or just bad, entitled, over-induged, spoiled people? 

Rags's picture

I am not much of a fan of the pseudo science behavioral excuse industry.  IMHO it is little more than a fraud scheme against the public for providing employement to the marginally employable and for giving those who choose poorly regarding their life's directtion and actions a label that they can wear as an excuse for crappy parenting, poor behavior, shitty choices, and repetitive idiot behaviors.

I cringe when my day is polluted by a crapily behaved child whose parents ignore the little shits as they run amok ruining other people's lunch, etc, etc, etc....

These same failed parents then spend decades crying to their friends and family over how nasty their failed adult children turned out.  "But we looooved them and gave them everythingggggg"  Um, nope. You did not give them boundaries, standards of behavior, standards of performance and for damned sure you failed to give them effective consequences for their stupid choices.

 

Behavioral excuse Dx of the month does not excuse idiot parents for their failures.

smh