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Anyone else have in-laws they cannot tolerate?

instantfamily's picture

I thought everything was o.k. when I married my husband. We got along great with his parents and mine, they seemed pleased we were going to have a wedding and wanted to contribute to the event by throwing the rehearsal dinner. They even offered to send us on our honeymoon as their wedding gift to us. I was thrilled because they have a big family and I am an only child so I figured I'll have lots of family now! My in-laws faked the whole thing. My brother and sister's in law are total jerks to me and were for about a year before the wedding. I couldn't figure it out. Came out at the wedding when I burst into tears the morning of the ceremony that they'd been hateful toward me so my mom went to them (siblings) and asked that they please not judge her daughter until they got to know me. So, turns out after a whole lot of drama the day after my wedding, Mother in law told all of the family that I was "just some woman he (DH) met online and has now moved to (my state) and abandoned our family again!" Yep, she busted that out at my wedding, well the morning after. Mind you I've known DH since college. We were friends, it just didn't click cause he was a quiet guy and I was into the wild guys. Well, we found each other again via internet about 12 years later, had a long distance relationship and fell in love. Lots of visits, lots of interaction until the wedding when his brother yelled at the minister (my elderly cousin) his mother screamed at mine and then told us that she'd told every one of the siblings that 'we'd just met online and he was rejecting his family (parents and siblings) to "marry some woman he'd met online and abandon his real family...again!". (first marriage wasn't good and 1st wife cut them all out- I wanted the opposite!) To this day they (his parents) will not acknowledge that they 1) said that to us even though we were both standing there and heard it or 2) take any kind of responsibility for any wrong doing. His father says we ruined our own wedding (because we didn't do things their way?) and that we are being selfish for expecting apologies. His mother constantly talks poorly about me on the phone to DH which I can hear (thanks iphone) and expects that that's going to make it better? He will cut her off when she's being insulting and is trying to steer the relationship in a 'how can we help the kids' way and a 'how do you expect me to be part of the family when you don't respect my wife who's done nothing to you" He barely talks to them anymore and it's more to keep the kids in contact (because they've accused us of trying to keep them away which is b.s.) I don't know if we should just cut them off altogether (but first crazy wife did that unprovoked and that's part of why they're skeptical of me)or we just keep them in touch with the kids so they stay pleased. Frustrating thing is that we cannot let them go on unsupervised visits with grandparents because grandparents do not follow ANY of our rules. They spoil them rotten and lead them to believe that they'd be better off with them (grandparents). They have seriously referred to them as "our kids" on accident because they really think they should have custody and Grandma has empty nest syndrome.
Anyone else have insane in-laws? And should we dump the grandparents, keep them involved, or allow the kids to go down there where they will be pampered and spoiled only to come back to reality and hate us? They're as bad as BM only the other direction!

Oceanic815's picture

Wow, luckily my inlaws are tolerable and actually pretty nice at face value! I think my suggestion is to cut off contact & communication unless they initiate it. However, I don't know if they are the ones initiating things now. This is what we do with my MIL. She goes months without talking to my DH. How do you go months without speaking to your son?!?!? I get that he is an adult, but DH doesn't even get a once-a-month how are you. We did our part for a couple of years, making all of the effort but the train doesn't go both ways in our case. We hear from MIL if there's a medical emergency with elderly sick grandma grandpa in law and for holidays. That's it. However, she is always with DH's sister; babysitting, taking my niece to dance, etc. Its kind of like a cautious but peaceful distance, and I'd maybe aim for that if I were you. However, if you absolutely can't stand them, say goodbye. Sometimes its better without certain people in your life when all they do is bring you down for no good reason. Good luck.

instantfamily's picture

Thanks- I have written them off. Until they can accept some responsibility for their behavior and apologize to me I told DH that I will not have them in my life or my home. I even sent them a letter stating explicitly that I would not interfere with their contact with the kids (this is right after the wedding) but that I was really hurt by their actions and they turned it around to say to DH: "instant's telling us when we can see our grandchildren and when we can't". Uh, no, I was trying to be the better person and welcome you to visit the kids anytime but I'm still upset about what happened and would like to have a conversation about it before we just move on. DH suggested they read my email again and they still misconstrued everything.
I've told DH that they will not add to my stress. It hurts me to see them add to his, but I do not have the energy or emotional range to deal with their drama. I get the "how do you go months without speaking to your son" thing. They call strictly to talk to the kids on holidays like they're trying to hurt DH. They'll call him to chat whenever, but then on a holiday talk to the kids and then hang up. They blamed him for not attending his brother's wedding he wasn't invited to recently and called to tell him they flew down to see his sister's proposal last week. Wow, guess I'm never getting in with this crowd.
*sigh* I don't know. I know I can let go, but I want the skids to have a relationship and I know my DH feels Sooo left out from his family, like the black sheep of the family. It makes me sad for him. Thank God my parents love him and see the good man he is and have embraced the kids (which his parents totally hate).

jennaspace's picture

I seriously doubt 1st wife cut them off for no reason. They did this on your wedding? They are not acting like this due to 1st wife, they are acting like this because they have poor boundaries and are toxic.

I did meet my H online and did move across the country to be with him. I was a foster kid and am very close to my siblings (some). My MIL constantly made references like "This is what family's do!!! (e.g. come to MILs house for every event known to man). She's been pretty bad and IMO has taken the place of a bad BM (BM never gave me a problem).

You are going to hate to hear this but I think you will likely need to cut them off. I wish I had disengaged from MIL from the start instead of doing backflips to please her.

After what they did at your wedding, I would seriously disengage. You can make the same mistake as a DIL as you can as a SM. That is "once they know me, they'll like me" or thinking the more you do the more they will like you. It usually doesn't work out that way and it leaves you angry and mad at yourself for trying too hard.

I'd let H. do all the relating. Take no responsibility, this will save you much headache later.

instantfamily's picture

You know what? I totally agree! And what an interesting situation you've had- What a bizarre statement "this is what family's do" when every family is different ya wierdo! I have disengaged from them. The only exception- even though I've listened to them over the phone and seen the toxic emails (which my DH finally put a stop to at my begging because his dad's an ass and Really mean) was when his dog (18) died. His mother called to let him know; we knew it was coming; he guessed when she said "it's about dog" and she then went on to tell him ALL of the gory details. He was tearful when she said "yes, she died" and then went on to tell him that she'd come home and the dog that he's loved since college was floating in the pool and she didn't know if the dog had had a seizure and fallen in or died and fallen in or, or, she presented all sorts of scenarios. That is the one time I've called her and said: "you know what, I love your son more than anything on this planet and I'm just wanting to let you know how much you're hurting him with your communication". She wanted to go to the wedding and I said, "It's not about the wedding. Every time you call him, he is upset after the phone calls". Interestingly she apologized to him for breaking the dog news to him that way and asked (finally) if he was upset usually after they talked. He told her "yes, I am". So, maybe he's making some ground. I will never have a relationship with these people but if they hurt who I love? Watch out.

jennaspace's picture

Smart lady! You are saving yourself loads of headache. I have a better relationship with MIL now that I disengaged than when I had so much invested. I hope this is the same for you.

Way to have your H's back. He might need some help with perspective (what's acceptable or not) after growing up with this behavior as normal.

instantfamily's picture

I agree to a degree- he is a grown man and should be capable of dealing with b.s. from others; however, if someone told me that my dog had died and then made a big emotional scene about it I would be horrified as well. I'm disengaged from his parents, not from my husband. Him, I will fight for until the end. Perhaps you don't have pets who are part of your family? If my parents (whom I adore) called and gave me gory details about how my baby had died while I was out of town or something, I'd be devastated. I've cried less for clients who've died than when my dog's been hurt. Guess it comes down to your values and closeness with your family.

instantfamily's picture

We definitely haven't encouraged any visiting and have said no to kids visiting on another occasion. The one time they did come up to visit was to meet with the counselor to see if there was any resolving some of this. They're certainly not getting the kids sent to them for a week or anything. The kids act just as crazy when they've been with their grandparents as they do when they've been with BM!

midnyt's picture

My inlaws from my marriage were great, they were separated and both had partners and I got along great with all of them until we separated. And thats fair enough, I have limited contact with them but we still talk from time to time.
Technically I have no inlaws now as SO and I arent married, however, all I can say about SO's mum is suffer!! She interfered so much between my SO and his son, even to the point where it appears as though she takes the ex's side in most things over her only son, now however, she has her FIL (who has altzheimers?) living with her and is pretty much house bound coz he is losing the plot. She has had a gutful, but, you reap what you sow does come to mind. I would happily write her off and never have anything to do with her, except that she is my SO's mum. Lucky for me she doesnt like me all that much so doesnt make the effort!
You could limit the contact the skids have with the in laws if they are going to come home with attitude towards you.

Good Luck

instantfamily's picture

What makes it so complicated is that the kids spent 3 years with grandma and grandpa and dad thinking that they were all their "parental figures". It's a tough situation because my DH was recovering from a car accident so his parents really took the parental role and I hate to keep them from each other. I just can't deal with sending them to "Disneyland" with Grandparents for a couple of weeks because they will come back just as screwed up as if they'd been with BM. I wish MIL and FIL weren't such jerks and so permissive.

bi's picture

i can't stand fdh's sm. she's nosy, gossipy and constantly negative. if she can rain on your parade in any way, she will. she thinks every aspect of our life is her business and tries to get people to spy on us for her and constantly tries to get info about us from everyone. the ironic thing is that in the beginning (7 years ago), she was my favorite person in fdh's family. i don't know what the hell happened to her, but i absolutely cannot stand her. i haven't seen her since bs's 3rd bday, and he turned 4 last month. i could happily go another year and have no sadness about not seeing her.

instantfamily's picture

I swear to God, if we ever decide to have a kid of our own (which is doubtful at this point) I would NOT tell his parents. I'm sure the skids would tell and they'd do a 180 and try to insert themselves into our lives but screw them! Does your BS see your family and his? Do you just not go? See, I really don't want to disconnect the kids from their grandparents but I don't want to see them and I see how damaging it is to them because they think they should be the center of the world after seeing their grandparents. It's easy enough to ensure that the kids don't go there, and DH and I agree that they need to come to our turf where it's a limited time weekend and they do not get to call all of the shots. It's our damn family!
Sad thing is they promise and promise to work with our family rules and then break them all. Is it something I should ignore because they ARE grandparents or something I should enforce along with DH? There's already so much anger in this family (DH's).

bi's picture

i've been pregnant 3 times since bs (lost them all Sad ) and we never said a word to anyone after the first one. sd and fdh's sm both acted all pissed off because they weren't the first to know and weren't told in person. like fdh said, that bitch doesn't even see bs, so what the hell is the big deal about being told in person if i'm pregnant? if we ever get pregnant again (i'm on bc right now because i need a lot of time to heal before even considering it again), it will be the same way, silence on our part. they will find out when either A. i am too big to hide it. or B. they see me with a baby in my arms. quite frankly, i get off on the thought of having another baby and them never knowing until my baby is a few weeks old. }:)

bs does see fdh's family. fmil and sfil live a ways away and we only see them at Christmas and a couple of times in the summer, but i have no issues with them. i love fdh's father, too. he's a wonderful man. i really do not know how he ended up with his wife. she's just a miserable bitch. i wouldn't raise a stink about bs seeing her because she doesn't do anything for me not to. she doesn't spoil him and send him back being a brat or anything. she very much favors sd19, even asks her if i'm mean to her. like wtf is she going to do if i am? how is it her business? and what qualifies as being mean to a fucking adult? :?

as for your in laws, i think in that situation, i would let dh handle it. they aren't going to take well to you telling them how it's going to be, not that you don't have that right in your own home, i just think that since it's his parents, he should do it and you stay out of the line of fire. i sent fsmil a message letting her know exactly what i thought of her spying, gossiping, specualting and trouble making. that was almost a year ago, and i have heard nothing back. definitely stand up for yourself if need be, but as far as the skids, let dh handle it. you don't need them having any more ammo to shoot at you with.

instantfamily's picture

First of all, I am so sorry for your losses. I've been through that with a close friend who lost a child she'd carried almost to term after a series of miscarriages and am happy to report that she has a healthy baby boy after a couple of years of hell. I hope the same for you, that you will have a light in the end.

As for the inlaws (outlaws, really) I haven't said a word to them since our wedding (except for the email after the wedding about how hurt I was) until I'd heard so many conversations between DH and MIL where MIL blames him for everything. She actually blamed him, tears and everything, for not attending his brother's wedding recently which he wasn't even invited to! The last straw for me was that his elderly dog who lived with his parents because we live a few states away and she was too fragile to move died. He'd begged his parents to put her down. He wanted to do it before he moved even, but they begged back that she was still 'enjoying life'. This dog was deaf, mostly blind and incontinent. He'd had her since college and loved her but she wouldn't have survived the move. So, we expected the call but MIL calls DH and says it's about dog. DH says "she died, didn't she". MIL says yes and she's bawling and THEN she proceeds to tell him that they'd come home and found her "floating in the swimming pool". WTF??? Why was that neccessary? He quickly got off the phone and I held onto him while he cried his eyes out. I called her the next day and politely let her know that I love my husband more that anything on this earth and I am tired of him being down every time he gets off of the phone with her and I don't see how she could blame him for not attending a wedding he wasn't invited to and the final straw was telling him his beloved dog was "floating in the pool". She found an excuse to get off the phone and then called DH to ask if she really made him upset every time they talked. He told her, yeah, most of the time. So we haven't talked since, but at least she's thinking about her son- the black sheep. *sigh* MIL and FIL are a$$holes.

LizzieA's picture

It can be quite a slap in the face when in-laws are unexpectedly toxic. In our case, SIL1 (DH's sister) turned against us after we eloped. She went around the family trashing us and got his other two sisters mad at us. One turned her back in public on me the first time I saw her after the wedding! DH cut them all off after chewing them out. It was very upsetting but finally figured out SIL1 is narcissistic and a control freak. She was jealous. Oddly, I get along beautifully with my MIL and always have. The rest finally settled down and 5 years later we are on good terms. I've forgiven but not forgotten if you know what I mean! I just don't care now but it was a huge disappointment.

instantfamily's picture

I'm SO incredibly frustrated right now! He had skids call his youngest sister who just got engaged because it was her birthday yesterday. I asked him why he would go out of his way to initiate contact with a sibling who's been a total b*tch since our wedding (and before)and completely mean to me from the get go. He just threw back his head, threw up his hands and let out an exasperated sigh- then went to sit on the porch. I went out and apologized for saying anything about his sister because it is obviously just creating more problems. I told him that I just don't understand why he would want to interact with his family when all they do is put him down but I will no longer say a word about it because it just causes more issues.
He was so much stronger a few months ago and now he's trying to sneak them back into his life. I hated watching him get hurt before and I will hate watching it again but I guess it is inevitable. We can't recreate our partner's histories with their family.

instantfamily's picture

Why can't people just play by your family's rules? Why can't they just realize that you have your family and if you don't talk about certain things with the kids, they shouldn't either. That's really obnoxious. Your FIL sounds like a jerk- maybe he'd get along with mine! }:)

Poodle's picture

I agree with the posters who say disengage and they wished they had before. I have a toxic MIL and like you, took her criticisms of BM at face value at first only to realise that on this one, I actually would side with BM against someone else. The issue is do you let the kids have a relationship with the ILs despite not having one yourself. I would say that your intentions are good, and children need to know all family at least a bit, but you have to judge the situation as to how vulnerable you think the kids are. For example, I have never allowed my bios to stay alone with the ILs until now when my elder boy is 13 because I knew they wanted to get him on his own to have a go at him about various things. I was finally worn down by DH's need for this to happen, so I allowed it last month. To my amazement they gave him a great time and did not personally abuse him or me, but they also bent his ear endlessly on political issues upon which they hold pretty fundamentalist views which they knew that both I and DH would try to temper and moderate had we been there. He was subjected to a huge polemical tirade of extremist crap, as they had wanted to do for years. Luckily he is somewhat otherworldly so this passed him by. I know this is not direct abuse, but I experienced it as an attempt to twist and trouble his mind, behind our backs and without our protection, and I will not repeat the experiment with my younger son until again he is mid teens. I suppose I was relieved that the ILs did not abuse and criticise him, or me as they constantly have BM in front of the skids -- so foully abusive. Listening to your story unfold, I would say there was a high chance of your inlaws doing that to your skids in respect not only of the BM but also of your DH and you. They won't be able to resist it. I would not allow that to happen in your shoes and I would explain it to DH that way -- that there is too much unfinished business and the skids should not be exposed to it. If they go, he goes too, if only to protect them (and yes, I do know that syndrome whereby DH does not even notice what ILs are doing -- hear hear to Jennaspace who pointed out that your DH might need things pointed out as a result of blind spots caused by his upbringing). And I agree, involve them as little as possible in any child you ultimately have -- speaking of which, if you establish the boundaries now with the skids, you can then relax when it comes to any fight over your own child, which you won't want when you have all the pressures that come with a baby. I can't say how great it is getting out of the clutches of people like this when you finally do it. Dirol

instantfamily's picture

Thanks for your insight. I agree that Skids should NOT be around them alone until older and especially emotionally older. Once they've had a chance to imprint our family's rules in themselves and know where they stand and can take what grammie and papa say with a grain of salt. It's so hard, though, because DH is the one who'd going to get hounded about this later this summer when they're back from BM's I just know it. They don't say anything directly bad about DH or I which I really appreciate, but they do pry for information and then beat DH over the head with it. Constantly giving him a way to feel bad for whatever he has or has not done. Can't wait to get out of those clutches!

Ghost Rider's picture

Most of my IL are insane all except for the MIL. We did get her blessing when we got married.

Everybody else is pissed because we did not have a family wedding. We went to another state to get married. I honestly prefered it this way. I didn't want the drama that the rest of my husband family would put into the marriage. It would not be my wedding it would be their party.

I knew that my husband oldest son would invite the exgirlfriend or the ( booty call ) to my wedding. "she is already phsycho" I can just hear her screaming when they say if anybody objects to this marriage. If not that I would had to put up with the BM being invited because where there is a party and his family she must be with her kids and part of the crowd her proabably screaming in the crowd wondering why she spent 8 years trying to get this man to marry her and he would not do it.

A family wedding would be a joke.

I am glad I had it out of state, just us, and we had a nice honeymoon.

Though we had hell getting back home. the BM filed some stuff in court on CS and had all of our assets frozen. We made it to the State line and could not buy anymore gas off the bank card, called the bank up to find out why and they said the State froze our accounts. That is the day I learn to not share accounts with my husband.

It is a good thing I checked out some extra cash for back up because we would never made it home. We still had 300 miles to go.

yeah I could just imagine how my wedding would have went if I had a family wedding.

instantfamily's picture

Oh My God! That is ridiculous! If we'd had it over to do- we'd do a destination wedding with only our parents there (if that). We had this stupid wedding for our families and they were the ones to destroy it.

instantfamily's picture

I would love to talk to you about how you've gotten through this! You seem to have it down by this point. I, too, have the BIL, SIL problems of them talking crap and not allowing myself or my DH say a word. They do all have different stories and it's only because they have loose family connections that there's not a grandma or aunt who will step in and say something. DH is getting better at confronting but it goes back and forth. Sometimes I'd like to send him to his folks with the kids but I think that they'd run the show and he'd sulk along with it, then come home and complain. They are extremely overbearing as are his sisters and brother!

instantfamily's picture

Oh, be careful with trying to keep him from his family! If it's not very CLEARLY his idea, they will blame you for seperating him from the family. My DH's family thinks I orchestrated the whole thing/relationship/etc. and I was blasted for a while but even though they can't/won't admit it, they continue to say that we're someway in the wrong and bad parents. Whatever. We're doing the right thing and that is what matters.

janeyc's picture

Strangely until last week I would have said no, my FDH's MIL was always lovely to us and could'nt speak highly enough of my FDH, BM always resented this, well she ffed that up, BM has concocted a string of lies to dicredit FDH in MIL eyes. We have dedided to disengage with her family now.

As for your DH family my God put them in a Zoo, so I can through vegetables at them, what a nightmare, no respect, manners, no sense of what is appropriate, they missed the day life skills was taught lol.

Seriously though their behaviour is so shocking, don't let them spoil things for you, however much stress they put you through, stay strong and together, they cannot hurt you unless you allow them too, for someone to hurt you, you first need to value their opinion, it looks to me as though your DH may stop contact eventually, good luck honey x

instantfamily's picture

Smile Thanks! That's hilarious- "put them in a zoo" is exactly what I'd like to do!

instantfamily's picture

DH stepping up! What? Really? We shall see...
So I came home last night from my second job and DH says "I want to talk about last night". I'm thinking 'did I say something mean, unthoughtful, whatever' and DH and I went out to the porch and he came out with "I apologize to you for *not sticking up to his parents for me and telling them this is OUR family* so I will definitely figure out a way to approach this and I'm so sorry I didn't give you credit for what you are doing". What a sweet man! Now, if he follows through, I'll sing the praises from the rooftops! But I do give some cred for recognizing that his parents being so mean to me and for all the work I do for our family, his parents need to know I'm invested and be nice for once!